RB and WR markets are actually insane.

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

You keep wanting to ignore the wildly productive part of the Diggs story while using the bad part as one of your main bricks. It doesn't work that way in fair arguments. He was here for four years, not one

Holy smokes.

 

YOU brought up Diggs.

 

I never said Diggs was a bad trade. Not once.

 

I never said Diggs wasn’t anything but a great trade. But that’s what he was, a TRADE, not a free agent.

 

A player of Diggs quality at 26 or 27 years old doesn’t hit FA. You don’t get a chance at that type of player, WITHOUT TRADING FOR HIM, unless you draft him yourself. You get chances at Brown’s, Beasley’s, and more recently, Samuel’s, Hollins’ and Palmers’.

 

No one is saying the Bills are doing it all wrong, or that the offense sucks or whatever arguments you are dreaming up. You didn’t just make 2 mistakes. You make a mistake every post because you don’t understand the discussion and are just trying to win argument with yourself lol.

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

"Dramatically"? Please...Ty Johnson has made some of the craziest catches for a RB that I have ever seen in my life over the past few years down field, including multiple ones in the Lions game and perhaps the best catch for an RB I have ever seen in my life in the Bronco playoff game sliding across the back of the end zone on 4th down to make an almost impossible catch that 95% of the WRs in the NFL likely would not have made.

 

The Bills offense is a machine that averages over 30 points a game last year and set franchise records for points and touchdowns and was the most efficient in the history of the NFL.

 

Exactly how would you "dramatically" improve on the best offense in team history and one of the most efficient offense in NFL history?

 

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

That might be the craziest post in this thread.

 

All feels, no common sense.

 

You don't early-extend a RB AND pay him top of the market on the basis that you assume he will:

 

-Go from a liability in pass pro to very good

-Become a much better pass receiver

-Prove he can handle a much greater workload like the other top paid RB's

-And not fall completely off the cliff a couple years from now like Dalvin did in his 3.2 ypc age 28 season.

 

Those are the reasons why you AT LEAST wait to pay him until he proves he can improve.

 

Top of the market is still going to be there.   What are you risking by making him prove it?

 

And I mean Ty Johnson put up a greater ypc at 5.2 versus 4.9 and his ridiculous 15.8 yards per reception was almost twice that of Cook(8.1).

 

And Johnson can actually pass block.

 

That's why Allen could call him the best 3rd down back in the NFL and have a strong case.

 

That being the case the only way the offense could "dramatically" improve on third downs is if Cook is better than those gaudy numbers.   Even if Johnson falls off a cliff now,  the standard for the RB position for the Bills on 3rd down is astronomically high.

 

Hilariously crazy takes by you.

 

I'm not gonna go in circles on this... I have much better things to do. Just as a minor, parting rejoinder,

• I never said "top of the market"... don't put words in my mouth.
• As I said upthread, this conversation is pointless unless we discuss actual, real numbers... but there is a deal out there that would satisfy both sides well.
• Ty Johnson? I like the 3 team, 6 season journeyman as much as anyone. He's an excellent player. He put up nice numbers with his 58 touches last year and it was great of Josh to puff him up like that. James Cook has the highest yards per touch of any NFL back in the last 2 years and possibly even the last 3 years. He has 630 career touches.

As ALWAYS @BADOLBILZ, the last word is yours.

 

Enjoy the carousel guys.

 

[Richard Noggin]

9 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

You and others here are making lots of assumptions about James Cook, basically that he'll never improve as a player:

• Pass protection is below par
• Pass catching is inconsistent
• Cannot handle a heavier workload
• His career curve will be no better than his brother's

I don't make these assumptions. By all accounts James is a diligent and competitive player. He's 25 years old.

 

Last year he asked for and received goal-line responsibilities and knocked that one out of the park. He was the best goal-line back that anyone following the Bills can remember.

 

Many here seem to believe that were he to take snaps away from Ty Johnson that the Bills offense would be worse for it.

 

I feel the complete opposite. I believe the Bills offense would improve dramatically.

 

I also believe that Cook's best years are ahead of him. JMO.

 

 

It's all super fair to consider, but by your own admission is an unknown level of improvement across multiple points, and the Bills obviously are not BANKING on Cook making all of these improvements suddenly entering year 4. So...he kinda should NOT get his number until he proves he's already somehow made these strides. Right? He's not asking for a team-friendly number, so the Bills shouldn't be willing to gamble on a few vital areas of growth that they apparently haven't seen signs of, imho. 

[Mikie2times]

I was sold to extend Cook after the 4th down TD run in the AFC championship game. That run is at the center of the debate in my opinion. We blame coaching a lot around here but we also blame top end talent. That is an example of top end talent and what it means. Ray Davis or Ty Johnson and it’s a turnover on downs. That was one of the best runs a Bills player has EVER made IMO. So what are we talking about between what we thought he would cost and what it looks like it will cost for him to be happy? About 5 million dollars? Well, for 5 million dollars I would rather have an impact player vs a replacement level player and another back DL or DB. That is what people here are trying to protect for us. A back up level player. 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

I'm not gonna go in circles on this... I have much better things to do. Just as a minor, parting rejoinder,

• I never said "top of the market"... don't put words in my mouth.
• As I said upthread, this conversation is pointless unless we discuss actual, real numbers... but there is a deal out there that would satisfy both sides well.
• Ty Johnson? I like the 3 team, 6 season journeyman as much as anyone. He's an excellent player. He put up nice numbers with his 58 touches last year and it was great of Josh to puff him up like that. James Cook has the highest yards per touch of any NFL back in the last 2 years and possibly even the last 3 years. He has 630 career touches.

As ALWAYS @BADOLBILZ, the last word is yours.

 

Enjoy the carousel guys.

 

 

Oh here we go with the peace-outs when you don't want to defend your nonsense. 

 

As a teenager my aunt was visiting and asked me how summer work was going and I complained to her about a lack of systems in place in the family business.   

 

She asked me what I would do about it.  

 

I said I didn't know, and that it was basically outta my pay/experience grade, but there had to be a better way.  

 

The equivalent of your vague "there is a deal that would satisfy both sides as well".   

 

She told me you will need to learn that if you don't have a solution to offer then you should just "shut the f#ck up".  

 

That's where you went wrong here.   You lowered the bar of the argument for a Cook extension by voicing vague, nonsensical complaints that you clearly hadn't thought thru and then didn't offer anything remotely resembling a solution.   You sound like a real job-site instigator.  😂