Tuco Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) 6 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: If that's the case, can you please prove it? On what basis are you contradicting the reporting of The Athletic? Actually, I thought I did. Must have forgot the link. That's how it was being reported on multiple sites yesterday. I was going by the quote below that was reported on numerous sites. Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic shared some insight on the disconnect between Stewart's camp and the Bengals. "It is my understanding they're offering the same language in this clause as the majority of first-round contracts," Dehner tweeted on Thursday. "And, for reference, have offered the exact language of the pick before (Walter Nolen) and after (Grey Zabel). It's different than that of Murphy and Mims the last two years and the Bengals generally structure contracts differently than most teams with guarantees, which matters. But the language being proposed for this specific clause is common across the NFL." Now it appears that Stewart's agency denies that it's the same. So, as usual, media reporting is a jumbled mess. But the idea and practice of such language is certainly nothing new. Many teams use it. Here's the latest from SI- https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/watch-cincinnati-bengals-rookie-shemar-stewart-sounds-off-on-contract-talks-with-team-01jxdmmbep85 Stewart's agency shot this down by replying to Dehner. "Hi Paul - feel free to message us if you'd like accurate information. Thanks!" they tweeted. Edited June 14 by Tuco 1 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted June 14 Posted June 14 17 hours ago, Gugny said: I’ll simplify it. Let’s get to a Super Bowl before we start making fun of teams that have been to a Super Bowl. Evaluating the Cincinnatti Bengals by themselves is a perfectly valid discussion. Not everything has to be "compared". 1 Quote
H2o Posted July 21 Posted July 21 The Bengals still being the Bengals, and about to not have their 1st Round pick this year. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/duke-tobin-takes-aim-at-the-advice-shemar-stewart-is-receiving Quote “I don’t blame Shemar,” Tobin said, via Jaron May of WLWT. “He’s listening to the advice he’s paying for. I don’t understand the advice. . . . We’re treating him fairly.” In response, Hiller said this via phone: “Duke Tobin has had no involvement in this negotiation. It seems to be above his pay grade.” Tobin doesn't understand the advice, and they are treating him fairly, even though this is the first time in Franchise history they have tried to pull this nonsense with one of their picks. What a 🤡 They deserve EVERYTHING coming to them. 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted July 21 Posted July 21 21 minutes ago, H2o said: The Bengals still being the Bengals, and about to not have their 1st Round pick this year. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/duke-tobin-takes-aim-at-the-advice-shemar-stewart-is-receiving Tobin doesn't understand the advice, and they are treating him fairly, even though this is the first time in Franchise history they have tried to pull this nonsense with one of their picks. What a 🤡 They deserve EVERYTHING coming to them. Kid just needs to go back and get that NIL money. Screw the Bungles 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted July 21 Posted July 21 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Kid just needs to go back and get that NIL money. Screw the Bungles I mean according to all the rules he's not eligible to go back to college play and re-enter the draft If he goes back to college The Bengals still have his rights "If you are three years removed from your high school graduation date, you may enter the NFL Draft one time during your collegiate career without jeopardizing your eligibility; provided you are not drafted by any team and you declare your intention to resume intercollegiate participation within 72 hours following the NFL's draft declaration date." "[...] Student-athletes who enter the NFL Draft early are required to sign and have notarized a petition for special eligibility with the NFL, which renounces all remaining collegiate eligibility unless revoked within 72 hours of the draft declaration date." The last two paragraphs are from the NCAA director of enforcement it seems like you basically forfeit eligibility and have 72 hours to State your intention to return Edited July 21 by Buffalo716 Quote
Fleezoid Posted July 21 Posted July 21 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I mean according to all the rules he's not eligible to go back to college play and re-enter the draft If he goes back to college The Bengals still have his rights "If you are three years removed from your high school graduation date, you may enter the NFL Draft one time during your collegiate career without jeopardizing your eligibility; provided you are not drafted by any team and you declare your intention to resume intercollegiate participation within 72 hours following the NFL's draft declaration date." "[...] Student-athletes who enter the NFL Draft early are required to sign and have notarized a petition for special eligibility with the NFL, which renounces all remaining collegiate eligibility unless revoked within 72 hours of the draft declaration date." The last two paragraphs are from the NCAA director of enforcement it seems like you basically forfeit eligibility and have 72 hours to State your intention to return So, he either accepts the Bengals contract or doesn't play at all. The Bengals might be messing this up, but it looks like they hold all the cards. 1 Quote
H2o Posted July 21 Posted July 21 32 minutes ago, Fleezoid said: So, he either accepts the Bengals contract or doesn't play at all. The Bengals might be messing this up, but it looks like they hold all the cards. In this instance? Maybe. But you can bet $$$ they are screwing themselves over down the line by taking this stance. What agent with a high-end incoming rookie is going to want to deal with them? It's also going to be in the back of the mind of everyone tied to them going through that first night. It could make them the least desirable location for anyone on that 1st Round radar. 1 Quote
Augie Posted July 21 Posted July 21 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: I mean according to all the rules he's not eligible to go back to college play and re-enter the draft If he goes back to college The Bengals still have his rights "If you are three years removed from your high school graduation date, you may enter the NFL Draft one time during your collegiate career without jeopardizing your eligibility; provided you are not drafted by any team and you declare your intention to resume intercollegiate participation within 72 hours following the NFL's draft declaration date." "[...] Student-athletes who enter the NFL Draft early are required to sign and have notarized a petition for special eligibility with the NFL, which renounces all remaining collegiate eligibility unless revoked within 72 hours of the draft declaration date." The last two paragraphs are from the NCAA director of enforcement it seems like you basically forfeit eligibility and have 72 hours to State your intention to return So, the ghost of the NCAA is protecting the NFL rather than looking out for the college players or the schools? Doesn’t THAT figure! Burn that outhouse down with the Bengals! Maybe use the Browns as kindling while you’re at it. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted July 21 Posted July 21 30 minutes ago, Augie said: So, the ghost of the NCAA is protecting the NFL rather than looking out for the college players or the schools? Doesn’t THAT figure! Burn that outhouse down with the Bengals! Maybe use the Browns as kindling while you’re at it. Just let the kid go back to college and give the Bengals a complimentary pic after the 32nd pick next year's draft I mean it's not a perfect system but both sides get something Quote
Augie Posted July 21 Posted July 21 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Just let the kid go back to college and give the Bengals a complimentary pic after the 32nd pick next year's draft I mean it's not a perfect system but both sides get something In my perfect world, he can go back to college, earn some NIL since everyone else is, and re-enter the draft…..and the Bengals can have a 7th rounder for compensation and only because we pity their fans. I went to school there and my best friend still has Bengals season tickets. They can be easy to dislike. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted July 21 Posted July 21 6 minutes ago, Augie said: In my perfect world, he can go back to college, earn some NIL since everyone else is, and re-enter the draft…..and the Bengals can have a 7th rounder for compensation and only because we pity their fans. I went to school there and my best friend still has Bengals season tickets. They can be easy to dislike. I get thats a perfect scenario but that might open the floodgates for any kid to just say I don't want to play for this franchise.. go back to college get drafted by a better team Then it's going to be a 6 team league because everybody will refuse to play for Cleveland and Cincinnati and Jacksonville of the world This kid could play one year in another football league and not have any rights with the Bengals... one year in the CFL.. refuse to negotiate with Cincinnati until after the next draft And I think that would give him the cart Blanche to sign with whoever This is definitely a very Cincinnati Bengals thing lol Quote
Augie Posted July 21 Posted July 21 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I get thats a perfect scenario but that might open the floodgates for any kid to just say I don't want to play for this franchise.. go back to college get drafted by a better team Then it's going to be a 6 team league because everybody will refuse to play for Cleveland and Cincinnati and Jacksonville of the world This kid could play one year in another football league and not have any rights with the Bengals... one year in the CFL.. refuse to negotiate with Cincinnati until after the next draft And I think that would give him the cart Blanche to sign with whoever This is definitely a very Cincinnati Bengals thing lol I don’t think there is any flood gate to open. Nobody wants to prolong getting the NFL riches and years of service unless it’s an extreme situation. This feels like it might be one of those extreme situations. There should be an option for that under the NCAA, which is a complete port-a-potty event at this point. Is the ONLY thing they do now is punish kids like this? As I’ve read it (possibly between the lines?) he would cave on the clause for some reasonable concession in some other area. How much is enough? The Bengals need to find a common ground, and they are failing. Manage him into the fold while still appearing to “win” on the clause. Quote
Ya Digg? Posted July 21 Posted July 21 18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I get thats a perfect scenario but that might open the floodgates for any kid to just say I don't want to play for this franchise.. go back to college get drafted by a better team Then it's going to be a 6 team league because everybody will refuse to play for Cleveland and Cincinnati and Jacksonville of the world This kid could play one year in another football league and not have any rights with the Bengals... one year in the CFL.. refuse to negotiate with Cincinnati until after the next draft And I think that would give him the cart Blanche to sign with whoever This is definitely a very Cincinnati Bengals thing lol The kid would be signed by now if the Bengals weren’t pulling this crap. He was ready and excited to sign with them but they messed it up. It was the teams/owners that wanted the rookie contracts to slot guys and essentially be idiot proof, but they didn’t count on the bengals being this big of idiots Quote
Buffalo716 Posted July 21 Posted July 21 3 minutes ago, Augie said: I don’t think there is any flood gate to open. Nobody wants to prolong getting the NFL riches and years of service unless it’s an extreme situation. This feels like it might be one of those extreme situations. There should be an option for that under the NCAA, which is a complete port-a-potty event at this point. Is the ONLY thing they do now is punish kids like this? As I’ve read it (possibly between the lines?) he would cave on the clause for some reasonable concession in some other area. How much is enough? The Bengals need to find a common ground, and they are failing. Manage him into the fold while still appearing to “win” on the clause. Cincinnati just is an abysmal organization They've been the stingiest of the stingy for a long time ... Making Ralph look like a owner who throws money around NCAA is going to have a massive reshaping the next 5-15 years 1 minute ago, Ya Digg? said: The kid would be signed by now if the Bengals weren’t pulling this crap. He was ready and excited to sign with them but they messed it up. It was the teams/owners that wanted the rookie contracts to slot guys and essentially be idiot proof, but they didn’t count on the bengals being this big of idiots I'm not negotiating but it seems that Cincinnati wants to be able to nullify part of the contract if he breaks team or league rules There are a lot of NFL contracts that do have that language Including our own nyheim hines who lost a massive part of his contract for his jet ski accident We truly have no idea if that's what they're arguing over.. or something like a lot more insignificant The Bengals are adamant it's the former I don't think they're a classy organization and the kids should get as much as you possibly can .. there are two sides to every story though but I would be more inclined to believe the player rn 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 25 Posted July 25 It's over. Bengals got the languange in, and Shemar got more money. On to the Hendrickson holdout... Quote
julian Posted July 25 Posted July 25 That shi**y organization is at the very top of my hate meter… I hope nothing but bad things for that team, I’m petty. Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted July 25 Posted July 25 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: It's over. Bengals got the languange in, and Shemar got more money. On to the Hendrickson holdout... He didn’t really get “more” money, he just got more money upfront. all that hubub for an extra $500k in the signing bonus Quote
Victory Formation Posted July 25 Posted July 25 On 7/21/2025 at 4:23 PM, H2o said: In this instance? Maybe. But you can bet $$$ they are screwing themselves over down the line by taking this stance. What agent with a high-end incoming rookie is going to want to deal with them? It's also going to be in the back of the mind of everyone tied to them going through that first night. It could make them the least desirable location for anyone on that 1st Round radar. It’s pure greed. These guys bust their butts off to make it to the NFL and the Bengals are going to make things sour grapes over a few measly dollars?? Quote
Augie Posted July 25 Posted July 25 7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: It's over. Bengals got the languange in, and Shemar got more money. On to the Hendrickson holdout... That’s the way I always understood it, if you want that language, I want something in return. Why did this take so long, but then…..Bengals. Now, how will the Bengals bungle Hendrickson? I think it’s fine entertainment, personally. 4 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said: He didn’t really get “more” money, he just got more money upfront. all that hubub for an extra $500k in the signing bonus You get to say you won the stupid pissing match. 1 Quote
Cheektowaga Chad Posted July 25 Posted July 25 What's funny is about a week ago I read an article that the contract would be signed instantly as soon as the bengals offered a bit more bonus up front rather than December Low and behold it's offered and signed Quote
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