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7 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Justin Fields was 4-2 last year. He didn’t set the world on fire but he was relatively efficient and won. That was my point. He’s not Peterman. He’s a little more like Tyrod was. He can make a few plays and if he manages mistakes (which Tyrod did better than Fields) you can win with him.
 

Again, I think Fields is probably a bottom 5 starting QB. The point that I’m trying to make is that I’d rather have QB 28 at $20M than QB 21 at $53M. Your ceiling is the exact same with either guy calling the shots. You can maybe get to the WC round. Purdy is a better player than Fields but not by a lot (especially last year). Give me the slightly worse player that’s way cheaper, every day. 

I'd rather have neither Fields nor Purdy at any of their salaries.  You might as well just draft a QB & pay the rookie a lot less.  I'd rather have Shedeur than either one of these overpaid JAGs.   

Posted
8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I actually think he’s pretty good too. I also think, that he played with the NFL’s best roster for a year and a half. This past year, the roster was a little worse and he was below average to bad IMO. That tweet doesn’t necessarily say it but he didn’t impact winning at all. The focus turned to him and he went 6-9. I know that they had injuries, but you could have had LOTS of QBs win at least 6 games in that situation. With this contract, he will never have rosters as good as his first couple of years again. Their rosters will look more like 2024 when he steered them to 6 wins.

 

It’s a tricky situation though. I don’t know what you would do differently? As the 49ers GM, you had to pay him. You could do a lot worse than him as a player. The problem is, the second you sign him to that deal, you’re resigned to mediocrity until you can get out from the contract. It’s not just Purdy either. It’s Tua, Derek Carr, it’s Cousins, it’s Geno, it’s Watson, it’s Darnold and maybe even Murray, Love, Goff and Lawrence. They’re all a little different but committing to a mediocre QB, above $25M AAV is bad business.

You called him a pretty good and mediocre QB in the same post.  Which is it?  He had the 7th best QBR in the NFL last year despite all the injuries.  I know he went 6-9 but the 49ers defense had its worst year of the Shanahan era finishing 29th in points allowed.  He doesn't look like a prototypical NFL QB but he's a really decision maker, throws with anticipation, is accurate, and can even make some off script plays.  This helps make up for his average arm and smaller stature.  I think he's a very good QB (obviously not elite though) and the 49ers won't regret this contract. 

Posted
17 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Put differently, he's the least undeserving.

 

 

I'm too long-winded to ever say something that concise, so thank you for translating my post 😅

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10 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

I'm too long-winded to ever say something that concise, so thank you for translating my post 😅

 

I don't know if you're long-winded but you're definitely a good poster.

 

Myself, I definitely used to be long-winded but I've been working on that.

 

Posted
3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I'd rather have neither Fields nor Purdy at any of their salaries.  You might as well just draft a QB & pay the rookie a lot less.  I'd rather have Shedeur than either one of these overpaid JAGs.   

100% agree. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

You called him a pretty good and mediocre QB in the same post.  Which is it?  He had the 7th best QBR in the NFL last year despite all the injuries.  I know he went 6-9 but the 49ers defense had its worst year of the Shanahan era finishing 29th in points allowed.  He doesn't look like a prototypical NFL QB but he's a really decision maker, throws with anticipation, is accurate, and can even make some off script plays.  This helps make up for his average arm and smaller stature.  I think he's a very good QB (obviously not elite though) and the 49ers won't regret this contract. 

Those are interchangeable to me. He’s probably somewhere between 15-20ish IMO. That’s off the top of my head. If I have time later I’ll think it through and make my list.

Posted
4 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

Even in his 5-? interception game last year, he did not let it phase him, and led his team back for the victory.

 

Not in Allen or Burrow or Mahomes' company, but in the tier just below them.  Seems to have a similar demeanor as those 3, though not the same skills.

I feel like that was the worst thing to happen to Goff.

 

I think if Mahomes, Burrow, Jackson, Allen throw 5 picks, they are losing by 100. Goff has enough talent around him to steal a win.

Posted
6 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I feel like that was the worst thing to happen to Goff.

 

I think if Mahomes, Burrow, Jackson, Allen throw 5 picks, they are losing by 100. Goff has enough talent around him to steal a win.

 

 i have no idea what you mean by that first sentence-? Why do you say that?

 

And why would those good quarterbacks get blown out in games if they through those picks?  Are you saying that their teams are not on the same level talent wise as the Lions?

 

it seems to-? discount his role in that comeback. 

 

i remember when Kelly threw 3 interceptions in the first half and then led the Bills to a victory in the 2nd half.  Of course they had a good, talented team, but Kelly of course played a pivotal role in that victory.

 

 

Posted
11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Those are interchangeable to me. He’s probably somewhere between 15-20ish IMO. That’s off the top of my head. If I have time later I’ll think it through and make my list.

It would be a great troll job if you had Fields at #5 on your list.

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Posted
7 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

 i have no idea what you mean by that first sentence-? Why do you say that?

It was evidence that he can play like complete and total garbage and still win. Probably the biggest piece of evidence he will ever have in his career.

 

7 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

And why would those good quarterbacks get blown out in games if they through those picks?  Are you saying that their teams are not on the same level talent wise as the Lions?

Yes. The reason why the Lions were in the drivers seat for the #1 seed and ultimately finished with more wins than Baltimore or Cincinnati or Buffalo is not because they have a better QB or a better coach but because they have a better team.

 

7 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

it seems to-? discount his role in that comeback. 

The Lions allowed 10 points on Goff’s FIVE picks. 
 

 

Posted
On 5/16/2025 at 8:37 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

My goodness. It’s not complicated. His AAV is $20M. Purdy’s is now $53M. I’m not even sure that Purdy is better. He certainly doesn’t deserve more than 2.5X what Fields makes. 🤣🤣 They are pretty much the same. You can win some games with them. You don’t win because of them. You won’t win a championship with either of them. The same goes for a ton of the overpaid mid QBs. I’m actually shocked that people aren’t seeing that.

Probably wise to put that in the original post.  I know it is more fun to bait responses and come in and tell people why they are so dumb, but it is much easier to just add the reason to the first comment.  

Posted
1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

It was evidence that he can play like complete and total garbage and still win. Probably the biggest piece of evidence he will ever have in his career.

 

Yes. The reason why the Lions were in the drivers seat for the #1 seed and ultimately finished with more wins than Baltimore or Cincinnati or Buffalo is not because they have a better QB or a better coach but because they have a better team.

 

The Lions allowed 10 points on Goff’s FIVE picks. 
 

 

But you're isolating one incident where Goff played crap and his team won in spite of him.

 

What about his offence needing 34 points against GB to win by 3? Or 40 points against SF to win a one score game? Or losing with 42 points against the Bills?  

 

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

It was evidence that he can play like complete and total garbage and still win. Probably the biggest piece of evidence he will ever have in his career.

 

Yes. The reason why the Lions were in the drivers seat for the #1 seed and ultimately finished with more wins than Baltimore or Cincinnati or Buffalo is not because they have a better QB or a better coach but because they have a better team.

 

The Lions allowed 10 points on Goff’s FIVE picks. 
 

 

 

Okay, but the first 'point' is just a literal statement--albeit with some loaded language--and so your point is completely missing.  As it is just stating that he played poorly but still won.  (Can be said about most/all good/great/HOF quarterbacks, and likely several times, in each career. So what is your point?)

 

Secondly, obviously true, overall that the Lions were in the driver's seat last year because they had a better team than their opponents.  BUT, having an excellent quarterback, as the other three teams mention also do, is a seminal, even vital part of that team.  Would you agree with that statement, and that having those 4 quarterbacks were essential parts of that team concept for each and for their success?

 

Goff's stats the last three years:

 

2022: 65% CP,  4438 yards, 7.6 YPA, and 29 TDS and & 7 INTs

 

2023:   67%, 4575 yards, 7.6, YPA, and 30 TDs and 12 INTs

 

2024:  72%,  4,629 yards, 8,6 YPA, and 37 TDs and 12 INTs

 

Those are superb stats, wouldn't you agree?  And would you agree quarterback play like that, excellent across the board the last 3 seasons, was an essential part of that team idea you speak of?  And that without superb quarterback play like Goff has demonstrated, it is likely the Lions did not do nearly as well as they did?

 

Again, kind of difficult to actually understand your main points, so you may agree with what I say above-?? I don't know

 

 

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