Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)

[BADOLBILZ]

On 5/5/2025 at 3:27 PM, oldmanfan said:

If you look at Palmer and Moore you have to look at their situations.  Moore has never had a quality QB throwing to him, and Palmer comes from. Greg Roman offense.  I think Brady’s schemes are more receiver friendly.

 

Herbert threw for more yards, had a higher completion %,  a lower INT% and a higher passer rating than Josh Allen did last year.

 

For his career, which includes 4 years with Josh Palmer, Herbert throws for 30+ more yards per game than Allen.  

 

And Josh Palmer has played 9 or more games per year in a dome environment.

 

What you call "thinking" is your feels.

[oldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Herbert threw for more yards, had a higher completion %,  a lower INT% and a higher passer rating than Josh Allen did last year.

 

For his career, which includes 4 years with Josh Palmer, Herbert throws for 30+ more yards per game than Allen.  

 

And Josh Palmer has played 9 or more games per year in a dome environment.

 

What you call "thinking" is your feels.

Bills rushed for about 400 more yards on the season.  I think Brady’s schemes will help Palmer more because our offense is more balanced.  Everybody eats.  

 

I hope with this post you’re not trying to argue Herbert is better than Allen.

[Nihilarian]

"The host of the Locked on Bills podcast, Joe Marino, posted a list of the pass-catchers who had the "lowest catchable target rate" in the league last season and Moore finished at No. 5 on the list.

Former Bills wide receiver Amari Cooper made the cut at No. 2, but he was also on the Browns last season. Marino revealed that after Cooper went to Buffalo, his catchable passes rate went from 62.3% to 75% with Allen."

 

Good points

[BADOLBILZ]

58 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Bills rushed for about 400 more yards on the season.  I think Brady’s schemes will help Palmer more because our offense is more balanced.  Everybody eats.  

 

I hope with this post you’re not trying to argue Herbert is better than Allen.

 

 

There is a lot more to being a great QB than just passing the ball.   Allen won the MVP largely because it was perceived that he won in spite of a lack of talent around him.   Herbert is a tremendous passer but his deficiencies show up in the win column not in the passing stats columns.

 

You showed your ignorance of the situation when you presumed that Palmer didn't have at least equal opportunity to perform in the passing game in LA.  

 

Just do a little research so you aren't posting bogus trash. 

 

The Chargers play at least 8-10 games indoors every season and Herbert consistently throws for more yards per game than Allen.   Truth.

 

 

 

 

[Mat68]

His style as a wr fits with what Allen has been best with guys that separate. Imo he is in direct competition with Samuel.  Palmer Shakir and Coleman are the three.  Depending on formation you will see any combination of the three or two.  

 

[BillsFanForever19]

Official numbers are in. 1 year, 2.5m fully guaranteed with 2.5m in possible incentives. So he did take about a million less to sign with us than the Browns UFA Tag offer.

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[SoonerBillsFan]

51 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

His style as a wr fits with what Allen has been best with guys that separate. Imo he is in direct competition with Samuel.  Palmer Shakir and Coleman are the three.  Depending on formation you will see any combination of the three or two.  

 

Separation, the one thing that has been lacking,and now we have 3 that can do that.

[PrimeTime101]

41 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Official numbers are in. 1 year, 2.5m fully guaranteed with 2.5m in possible incentives. So he did take about a million less to sign with us than the Browns UFA Tag offer.

 

 

Funny how many people these numbers will Silence.   I still think its a really good grab. 

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There is a lot more to being a great QB than just passing the ball.   Allen won the MVP largely because it was perceived that he won in spite of a lack of talent around him.   Herbert is a tremendous passer but his deficiencies show up in the win column not in the passing stats columns.

 

You showed your ignorance of the situation when you presumed that Palmer didn't have at least equal opportunity to perform in the passing game in LA.  

 

Just do a little research so you aren't posting bogus trash. 

 

The Chargers play at least 8-10 games indoors every season and Herbert consistently throws for more yards per game than Allen.   Truth.

 

 

 

 

Look at numbers.  The Chargers focused their passing game on two guys:  McConkey and Johnson.  They got about 40% of Herbert’s targets.  In comparison Shakir and Kincaid got about 20%.  So in my opinion Brady’s everybody eats approach might serve Palmer better than Roman’s where he didn’t get many looks.  Palmer may get more looks, be the big target some games, not get many looks the next.  But won’t the 3rd option all the time necessarily.
 

Herbert threw for more yards?  Fine.  Again, the Bills ran the ball for about 400 more yards too.  Different philosophies means just comparing raw numbers doesn’t tell the story.  Unless you’re saying you’d trade Allen for Herbert because his raw numbers are better.  I suspect most would get a good laugh out of that.

Edited 21 hours ago by oldmanfan

[ColoradoBills]

13 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Funny how many people these numbers will Silence.   I still think its a really good grab. 

 

It's a great deal.

[BuffaloBillyG]

14 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Look at numbers.  The Chargers focused their passing game on two guys:  McConkey and Johnson.  They got about 40% of Herbert’s targets.  In comparison Shakir and Kincaid got about 20%.  So in my opinion Brady’s everybody eats approach might serve Palmer better than Roman’s where he didn’t get many looks.  Palmer may get more looks, be the big target some games, not get many looks the next.  But won’t the 3rd option all the time necessarily.
 

Herbert threw for more yards?  Fine.  Again, the Bills ran the ball for about 400 more yards too.  Different philosophies means just comparing raw numbers doesn’t tell the story.  Unless you’re saying you’d trade Allen for Herbert because his raw numbers are better.  I suspect most would get a good laugh out of that.

Stats without context really fail to show the whole story. 

 

While Herbert did, in fact throw for more yards than Allen last year, (a whopping 139 more yards to be exact) let's not forget that Allen basically sat out the entire game the final week against New England, was taken out of several games early due to the score (about another full game give or take in total) and that the Chargers were often throwing later in games due to being behind. 

 

This also accounts for the Bills running for about 400 more yards as they were in game wind down mode later in games way more than LA. Not to mention Allen is far more mobile and a threat to run. That will almost always result in higher rushing totals for a team. 

 

 

[Nihilarian]

My take is that something happened with Allen in that Baltimore game ( he was sacked 3x), week four, and went on to week five with the Texans. Both losses. In that Houston game, Allen had the worst game of his career in going 9 of 30 for 131 yards, very un-Allen-like. I suspect some sort of injury to his hand or arm at that point. 

 

Buffalo was so off target in that Houston game, with Kincade seeing the most targets at six, with two catches for 34 yards, and 26 the longest. For some reason, Allen never did get it together with Kincade last season, as "Joe Marino" stated that for passes over 12 yards, he had something like 37% catchable. Kincade was reaching for an off-target pass when he was injured later that year.

 

I suspect that this season, things will improve as Allen gets more time with his receivers this offseason to gain more continuity. Last season, the only returning wideout from 2023 was Shakir. 

[BADOLBILZ]

15 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Look at numbers.  The Chargers focused their passing game on two guys:  McConkey and Johnson.  They got about 40% of Herbert’s targets.

 

I looked at the numbers.   You are the one who was clueless about them and thought it was a pass crippled Greg Roman offense.

 

And like I had to explain to you........their QB was more efficient as a passer and passed for more yards than Allen.

 

They deemed Palmer the 3rd best option.   You don't have a point.

 

 

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I looked at the numbers.   You are the one who was clueless about them and thought it was a pass crippled Greg Roman offense.

 

And like I had to explain to you........their QB was more efficient as a passer and passed for more yards than Allen.

 

They deemed Palmer the 3rd best option.   You don't have a point.

 

 

If I knew how to put you on ignore I would.  My point is Brady’s offense is perhaps more suited to Palmer because we spread the ball around more.  Period.  Because you don’t like a point doesn’t mean there isn’t one.  My last ever response to you.  Wallow in your negativity.

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I looked at the numbers.   You are the one who was clueless about them and thought it was a pass crippled Greg Roman offense.

 

And like I had to explain to you........their QB was more efficient as a passer and passed for more yards than Allen.

 

They deemed Palmer the 3rd best option.   You don't have a point.

 

Not per game he didn't.  Remember that Josh didn't attempt a single pass in the Patriots season finale.

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Stats without context really fail to show the whole story. 

 

While Herbert did, in fact throw for more yards than Allen last year, (a whopping 139 more yards to be exact) let's not forget that Allen basically sat out the entire game the final week against New England, was taken out of several games early due to the score (about another full game give or take in total) and that the Chargers were often throwing later in games due to being behind. 

 

This also accounts for the Bills running for about 400 more yards as they were in game wind down mode later in games way more than LA. Not to mention Allen is far more mobile and a threat to run. That will almost always result in higher rushing totals for a team. 

 

 

All good points here

[Mat68]

I have no problem saying Herbert is wildly overrated.  Looks great, throws a good deep ball.  Under pressure is awful.  Imo due to his mechanical throwing motion.
 

  

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I have no problem saying Herbert is wildly overrated.  Looks great, throws a good deep ball.  Under pressure is awful.  Imo due to his mechanical throwing motion.
 

  

 

He's Rivers 2.0.

[ChevyVanMiller]

17 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Official numbers are in. 1 year, 2.5m fully guaranteed with 2.5m in possible incentives. So he did take about a million less to sign with us than the Browns UFA Tag offer.

 

 

I don't know. I'll bet that those incentives are all easily attained, and he will get the $5 million.

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

I don't know. I'll bet that those incentives are all easily attained, and he will get the $5 million.

 

It says his 2025 cap hit is $2.5M.  If the incentives are easily attainable, they'd be "likely-to-be-earned (LTBE) and make it a $5M cap hit for the year.