Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)

[Warriorspikes51]

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I hope this guy ends up being Jerry Rice but knowing what I know about those team, I’ll be stunned if he even plays. If he has 25 catches I’ll be amazed. I expect it more likely he’s cut than matter 

Edited yesterday at 02:41 AM by Brianmoorman4jesus

[NewEra]

I enjoyed watching this. 

 

 

I was a big fan of his coming out of college.  While he may not be an “x”, he can play imo.  

[SinceThe70s]

As I recall he was a malcontent that even the Jets didn't think was worth the baggage.  

 

I'll file this under high hopes but low expectations.

[JerseyBills]

Probably the best FA WR signing they could've made. Only 25!

 

Essentially Palmer replaces a washed up Cooper, Moore replaces Mack.

 

That Palmer signing will turn heads

Edited yesterday at 02:53 AM by JerseyBills

[Von Braun]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Agreed! 

 

He probably signed him to shut everyone up, as even USA Today in their power rankings stated that the Bills should have drafted a WR!

 

Most Bills fans have been bleating endlessly about how the weakest part of the team is the WR corps.

 

The thing is that Tom Brady and the Patriots spent a decade without that superstar #1 WR. The Earnhardt-Perkins scheme that the Patriots used to run and Buffalo utilize that strong run game and move the chains passing game until they reach the end zone, and then punch it in...same at the SB winning Patriots.

 

How did the Bengals fare last season with their two elite WRs?  The 49ers? The Dolphins with super speedster Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle with paying their QB, receivers so much that the rest of the team is lacking.

 

The very last thing this team needs is a diva WR like Diggs who wants all the passes his way and still complains. Been there, done that! 

Don't forget the super bowl champion Eagles and their two elite wide receivers... Oh wait, doesn't fit the narrative. Another popular one I hear these days is the Chiefs don't have elite receivers. Well, it isn't for lack of trying. They've got two first round and two second round receivers and a hall of fame TE on the roster. They also rolled the dice on a first round head case in Toney.  And those Pats teams you referenced always had an elite slot and hall of fame TE. Your point isn't wrong so much as it is slightly short sighted; as is Beane's. We can win a lot of games and score a lot of points with everybody eats. BUT without elite talent you're at a situational disadvantage in big moments. Evidenced by every freaking fourth quarter playoff drive when all we need is one freaking play. Plays the Justin Jeffersons of the world make and the Mack Hollins do not. 

[PayDaBill$]

18 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

As I recall he was a malcontent that even the Jets didn't think was worth the baggage.  

 

I'll file this under high hopes but low expectations.

Well it was the Jets and Browns, who could possibly be content?

[Bockeye]

31 minutes ago, sven233 said:

All this talk about what happened with WGR and Beane.  I have made my comments on this in the main thread, but based off of everything that happened since that aired, it makes me wonder if the whole thing would have never happened if we knew that Moore was coming in for a visit BEFORE the interview instead of 20 seconds after it aired.

 

I mean, I think all the WGR guys were saying is that we probably could have used at least 1 more guy in the WR room to try and make life easier for Allen.  I think the signing of Moore is kind of a perfect fit for what the Bills want to do on offense......positionless WRs that play in different packages depending on the game script.  Hollins played like 60% of the snaps last year and I think all of us would say he probably was the 4th or 5th WR at best on the roster in terms of labels.  So, with Moore coming in, I could absolutely see him slotting into the Hollins role.  I think we can also all agree that Moore is more talented than Hollins overall.  So, if the WGR guys would have known that the visit was happening and the signing was a possibility, I don't think the conversation on Monday every happens.

 

Anyway, I like this signing a lot.  It's one of this low to no risk, high reward types of signings.  I think the dude has talent and we haven't seen his best because of the teams and QBs he has played with.  I think he can get some separation and he likes to live in the intermediate areas that Allen likes to target.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if he plays a more important role in this offense than many are expecting.  Palmer is new to the the team and, while I like that signing too, we don't know what that is going to look like yet.  The jury is still way out on Coleman.  I have no reason to believe expectations should be real high with him.  I wasn't big on him in the draft and until he proves differently, I think a middle of the road WR is distinct possibility for him.  And Samuel has never been able to stay healthy for an entire season.  So, with Shakir being the only reliable guy in the room, I could absolutely seeing Moore emerge as a guy to get a good amount of snaps this year.  Regardless, I like the signing.  We needed another guy in the room and he can run.  So we'll see what happens.

These are all good points.

 

Let me just point out in regards to the persistent Coleman bashing:

First year stats - Shakir had 10 catches for 161 and 1 TD…..He’s freaking terrible.  Why did we even resign him?!?!?

[Turk71]

17 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Probably the best FA WR signing they could've made. Only 25!

 

Essentially Palmer replaces a washed up Cooper, Moore replaces Mack.

 

That Palmer signing will turn heads

Palmer hasn't done anything, is not particularly athletic, agile, explosive, he's kinda slow and can't jump. Why do people think he's good?

[Nephilim17]

1 minute ago, Turk71 said:

Palmer hasn't done anything, is not particularly athletic, agile, explosive, he's kinda slow and can't jump. Why do people think he's good?

I'm pretty sure his separation numbers were top-5 in the league. If you're gonna reference stats that's a good one to point out.

[SoonerBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Palmer hasn't done anything, is not particularly athletic, agile, explosive, he's kinda slow and can't jump. Why do people think he's good?

Because he was 6th in separation rate last year.  Check out how bad the Bills WR's were.

[Doc]

23 minutes ago, Von Braun said:

Don't forget the super bowl champion Eagles and their two elite wide receivers... Oh wait, doesn't fit the narrative. Another popular one I hear these days is the Chiefs don't have elite receivers. Well, it isn't for lack of trying. They've got two first round and two second round receivers and a hall of fame TE on the roster. They also rolled the dice on a first round head case in Toney.  And those Pats teams you referenced always had an elite slot and hall of fame TE. Your point isn't wrong so much as it is slightly short sighted; as is Beane's. We can win a lot of games and score a lot of points with everybody eats. BUT without elite talent you're at a situational disadvantage in big moments. Evidenced by every freaking fourth quarter playoff drive when all we need is one freaking play. Plays the Justin Jeffersons of the world make and the Mack Hollins do not. 

The Eagles didn’t win the Super Bowl because of their two elite wide receivers. Their defense shut down the Chiefs. And the addition of Saquon Barkley transformed the offense.

[Nephilim17]

10 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Okay. If that's true I did not know that. 

I thought he would do well with Herbert and that offense but he was mostly a disappointment. I know he was for me and my ffl team 🙂

Watch this starting 12:30. Around 16:30 Marino cites these stats:

Out of 141 qualifying WRs, Palmer ranked #5 in route win-rate against man coverage and 10th against zone coverage.

And the Bills faced more man coverage than any other team last year because teams did not respect the Bills WR against man.
 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

15 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Watch this starting 12:30. Around 16:30 Marino cites these stats:

Out of 141 qualifying WRs, Palmer ranked #5 in route win-rate against man coverage and 10th against zone coverage.

And the Bills faced more man coverage than any other team last year because teams did not respect the Bills WR against man.
 

 

 

that is quite stunning. Let’s hope it translates to the passing attack improving

[QLBillsFan]

33 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Palmer hasn't done anything, is not particularly athletic, agile, explosive, he's kinda slow and can't jump. Why do people think he's good?

Top 10 in separation in the NFL. And so that’s been a knock on the 2024 Bills wr core. Seems good to me.

[Von Braun]

25 minutes ago, Doc said:

The Eagles didn’t win the Super Bowl because of their two elite wide receivers. Their defense shut down the Chiefs. And the addition of Saquon Barkley transformed the offense.

I don't feel the need to belabor the point. The Vikings, the Lions, etc .. etc ... I can keep rolling out teams that invest in offensive talent and are successful. But I don't need to try as hard as you to prove my point. "We don't need a diva" just feels so silly to me when we can't get a receiver open against teams that decide they're going to tighten the screws on defense in the playoffs or when a game matters. At the end of the day you'd take Josh Allen throwing that desperation fourth down pass to about 30 or 40 other guys in the league other than Dalton Kincaid and so would anyone else on this board. And WHEN that other person catches it (because that is what elite pass catchers do) you would care less about the diva BS. Tell me I'm wrong. 

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Absolutely love it. The kid has real talent. Blessing to get somebody like that at this stage in April. 

It’s straight up hypocritical. Just be real, the board didn’t fall the way you thought it would. Maybe he was frustrated they didn’t get a receiver too….

 

 

It's really not hypocritical. Not at all.

 

Saying you don't have a need at WR and then signing a WR isn't necessarily even contradictory.

 

You can feel that we don't have an absolute need, but that we could get better with the right deal. This is probably the most common situation a GM deals with.

 

You don't have a need but you're willing to get better in the right situation. Then the right deal comes along. That right deal might be picking a guy at the right value for the pick in the draft, or at the right value in an FA contract.

[Mike in Horseheads]

6 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Very nice signing now trade for dj Moore and any other moores 

Moore Moores?

[BuffaloButt]

We can all thank Jeremy White for this signing!! GO BILLS!!!😋

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's exactly right. Fans overrate how much extra production WRs get from elite QBs. Chase and Higgins were still elite when Jake Browning was their QB. The example I always use is Tyreek Hill got more production when he went from Mahomes to Tua. WR production is about a whole lot more than their QB, and most of it rests on the WR themselves.

 

I'm struggling to think of a recent example of a WR where the light suddenly clicked on after getting a better QB? It didn't happen with Kadarius Toney or Chase Claypool or Nelson Agholor, etc.

 

 

Diggs improved quite a lot in production when he came to Buffalo. Amari Cooper produced significantly better with Dak than he did in Oakland. Randy Moss was a ton better in NE than with the Raiders, though it did look to me like he was dogging it after a while in the Silver and Black. Welker was massively better when he got with Brady.

 

It happens. 

 

But yeah, you're right that you can't assume it will. Sometimes it happens and plenty of other times it doesn't.