Chicken Boo Posted August 4 Posted August 4 23 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: But not being able to handle more touches is quite the opposite of impressive. Who says he can't handle more? He averaged less than 15 touches per game. He should be seeing 20 plus. 2 receptions per game ain't it for a guy like Cook. Quote
Dukestreetking Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: They have Achane. The low or no tax states have RBs locked up or will need to soon. Or have a massive QB contract and little cap room. Vegas Miami Jax Atlanta Dallas has drafted - no way they pay RB Houston - Mixon Chargers drafted one Seattle - Walker and Charbonet Cincy - Brown Jets - Breece and Allen Washington - Robinson Rams - Kyren (also looking for a deal) AZ - drafted Benson high Maybe Tennessee would be interested if he wanted to go there. Possibilities with no cap issues Patriots Washington Titans I mean there isn’t really a better situation for him than here. Good analysis. I'm impressed by board members who can work thru these team-by-team matters rather quickly. (Then again, I'm a self-reported dumb sh*t on these types of things) 1 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted August 4 Posted August 4 Just now, GoBills808 said: hes a good player. no dispute hes getting talked about like he's a top5 back That's just the nature of where he slots, being the latest RB to get paid. Quote
GoBills808 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: It wasn't an elite season but he did have some elite plays that you have to accept losing once he leaves. A lot of RBs don't get some of those long TD runs he had. Or a couple of the red zone TDs where he outran a defender to the pylon. Or the 4th down TD in the AFCCG that kept us in the game. I can't pretend those plays weren't important so if the idea is never pay RBs unless they're the elite of the elite, I get it, but those plays have to be replaced or else you are just choosing to take a step back on offense. I don't trust this regime to replace those plays because historically they have not put a lot of resources into explosive skill players. it sucks but that's the reality of the league for the last decade+ its just not smart and if those runs need to get converted into passes so much the better 2 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted August 4 Posted August 4 14 minutes ago, Ballsy said: The generational wealth thing is thrown around a lot in here. Are you saying that 10M/year for 4 years is not generational wealth? Frankly, if he signed for $10M/year with $30M guaranteed that is probably around $15 million in his pocket after taxes and agent's cut..... For most people, that's generational wealth and I don't think an extra $2-3 million (which will be $1M - 1.5M after taxes) will make it "generational" wealth if it wasn't already. It probably won't matter anyway because a great many of the guys that are focused on getting the "biggest" contract values end up broke anyway. It's just as easy to piss away generational wealth as it is a regular working stiff paycheck. No. I said "You guys are expecting him to leave generational wealth on the table". As in, the difference between taking $12M/yr and $15M/yr on a 4yr contract is $12M left on the table. That $12M alone is generational wealth if managed properly. It's one thing if the sides are less than a million apart. Easy to argue either side should meet the other one. But if/when I have one shot to get paid, I'm not going to be happy leaving $10M-$15M behind just to please the people of Buffalo, NY. 2 Quote
HappyDays Posted August 4 Posted August 4 7 minutes ago, mannc said: Cook is not going to be traded this year. He’ll either sign an extension or play out the season and become a FA (and get us a comp pick). That's right, he's playing out the season no matter what. And the Bills know it. Teams hold all the power in these situations. It's why Trey Hendrickson just relented in a situation that was much much more toxic than what we have going on with Cook. Ultimately Cincy held his rights and he was giving up $50,000 per day to skip training camp, and missing regular season games is not remotely an option for any player thinking rationally. Hassan Reddick did it and just ended up screwing himself for no reason. Teams know 99% of players are not going to really follow through on their threats to skip regular season games, so they just wait it out. That's what will happen with Cook. I don't begrudge him for trying any tactic he has to get paid, but there's only one possible outcome and the Bills know it. Quote
Doc Brown Posted August 4 Posted August 4 12 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: ih they don't agree on a contract and he refuses to play, does he get paid? does his current salary get removed from the cap? He doesn't get paid and for every game missed it would be about $310k we save in salary cap space. 2 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 34 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Exactly. This is why I don't think he wants to be here. He wants to go somewhere that he IS a 3 down back, and he knows we dont' do that here and most likely never will. So trade him to Dallas or to someone that will use him that way. If the Bills trade Cook, there is no way their running back room is not downgraded as a result. The best Buffalo could hope for is an average RB and a draft pick. I actually saw a hypothetical trade with the Cowboys where Buffalo gets Micah Parsons and Dallas gets Cook, a 2026 first round pick, a 2026 2nd and a 2027 4th. The two players are the same age, but that's a lot of draft capital to be giving up, even though Parsons is an elite game wrecker. Quote
gonzo1105 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 The Bills are in a prime position as it pertains to Cook. First Running backs have a short shelf life as we all know. Cook still on his rookie deal can’t afford to take fine at all whether that’s not reporting for camp or missing games etc. Sure he could fake an injury to protect himself but that won’t help him get top end RB money from the Bills or anyone else with a guy with one really good season. He needs to play and ball out to get the money he desires which will help the Bills make hopefully another deep run. The Bills also have the luxury after this year of franchising him and keeping Cook(very unhappily im sure) and making him play again on a 1 year deal, trading him , or buying time to get a long term deal done. Running back is also one of the cheapest tags amongst position groups. Cook is going to play this year and he’ll play his hardest to get what he desires. He’s sitting out practices , while reported , to avoid being fined and to show his unhappiness with the little leverage he has this year. Beane, McDermott, and Cook deep down knows Quote
mannc Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: That's right, he's playing out the season no matter what. And the Bills know it. Teams hold all the power in these situations. It's why Trey Hendrickson just relented in a situation that was much much more toxic than what we have going on with Cook. Ultimately Cincy held his rights and he was giving up $50,000 per day to skip training camp, and missing regular season games is not remotely an option for any player thinking rationally. Hassan Reddick did it and just ended up screwing himself for no reason. Teams know 99% of players are not going to really follow through on their threats to skip regular season games, so they just wait it out. That's what will happen with Cook. I don't begrudge him for trying any tactic he has to get paid, but there's only one possible outcome and the Bills know it. I do think it’s possible the Bills extend him for 3 years/$30 million, or something like that. Cook would be wise to take that deal. 1 Quote
The Cincinnati Kid Posted August 4 Posted August 4 I have said it before, but I firmly believe each and every player should do everything in their power to maximize their earnings while in the league. Get what you can young man, I support you. 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted August 4 Posted August 4 Just now, The Cincinnati Kid said: I have said it before, but I firmly believe each and every player should do everything in their power to maximize their earnings while in the league. Get what you can young man, I support you. Agreed. Look, as a Bills fan I'd love for every player to agree to play here for vet minimum. But that isnt happening, nor is it fair to the guys who actually make the league what it is. Who put their bodies and long term health on the line. Who have been training and working at this for decades. And who typically have less than 6-8 years to cash in. If the NFLPA had a spine, it would be more like a 65/35 revenue split in favor of the players. 1 Quote
Billl Posted August 4 Posted August 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: TD totals dont impress me in this offense. if you are a skill player w Allen you are going to have outsize TD numbers. Call it the Dawson Knox effect...we are still regretting that contract they handed him after his 9TD season doubt theyll make the same mistake Davis, Johnson, Kincaid, Coleman, Shakir, Knox, and Samuel combined for 18 TDs for Buffalo. Cook had 18. Edited August 4 by Billl 1 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted August 4 Posted August 4 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: and if those runs need to get converted into passes so much the better That depends on if the passing game is efficient. There were a few games last year where the run game is what got out offense going, specifically with Cook getting some explosive runs that I don't expect Davis or Johnson to get. Oh well, this is a 2026 problem. Everything that happens between now and week 1 is just posturing from both sides. I hate to think what the Bills offense would look like without Cook in 2025. I would be very concerned about our ability to produce explosive offense and easy button TDs. As for 2026, we'll hopefully be able to make up for his inevitable exit in FA by investing resources into the passing game. Quote
julian Posted August 4 Posted August 4 5 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: If the Bills trade Cook, there is no way their running back room is not downgraded as a result. The best Buffalo could hope for is an average RB and a draft pick. I actually saw a hypothetical trade with the Cowboys where Buffalo gets Micah Parsons and Dallas gets Cook, a 2026 first round pick, a 2026 2nd and a 2027 4th. The two players are the same age, but that's a lot of draft capital to be giving up, even though Parsons is an elite game wrecker. If that deal was on the table, I suspect Beane would finalize it instantly and Jerry Jones family might have him institutionalized. 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, Billl said: Davis, Johnson, Kincaid, Coleman, Shakir, Knox, and Samuel combined for 18 TDs for Buffalo. Cook had 18. Everyone eats, but the Cook FEASTS Quote
Doc Brown Posted August 4 Posted August 4 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: If the Bills trade Cook, there is no way their running back room is not downgraded as a result. The best Buffalo could hope for is an average RB and a draft pick. I actually saw a hypothetical trade with the Cowboys where Buffalo gets Micah Parsons and Dallas gets Cook, a 2026 first round pick, a 2026 2nd and a 2027 4th. The two players are the same age, but that's a lot of draft capital to be giving up, even though Parsons is an elite game wrecker. Was that a CTW report? Edited August 4 by Doc Brown 2 Quote
DeltaDigital Posted August 4 Posted August 4 13 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: If the Bills trade Cook, there is no way their running back room is not downgraded as a result. The best Buffalo could hope for is an average RB and a draft pick. I actually saw a hypothetical trade with the Cowboys where Buffalo gets Micah Parsons and Dallas gets Cook, a 2026 first round pick, a 2026 2nd and a 2027 4th. The two players are the same age, but that's a lot of draft capital to be giving up, even though Parsons is an elite game wrecker. do this. now. Quote
ScottishBills Posted August 4 Posted August 4 44 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: No more letting guys walk. I don't care if its a 7th round pick and a box of athletic tape. Get SOMETHING for him. A good number of people seem to think he will get $15m+ next year. In that case the comp pick would be around a 4th surely? And you get him for a year before that. So below a 3rd makes not that much sense unless I have misunderstood Don't think anyone is the wrong here. We ain't paying too whack for a guy who plays half the snaps. And he doesn't want any part of the idea that he may well be elite BECAUSE he isn't playing 75% of the snaps like the real big boys are. So he will play the season, be 85-90% of what he was last year and that's that. The only bit that interests me is if the Bills decide that seeing as he thinks he can play all the snaps, make him do it, and run him into the ground. If they have no intention of re-signing him it makes sense to use him whilst he is here. Or do we see that they actually have no interest in him playing those other snaps whatever happens? 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Everyone eats, but the Cook FEASTS I'm not disputing he had a great year for TDs or that he isn't a good player You just can't pay RBs anymore Quote
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