Tua gets the bag - $53M a year

[RangerDave]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

They're going to have to ride that train as far as it will take them.  And if Tua doesn't care about his health, why should they?

I can think of 53 million reasons why the Dolphins would care about his health.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He's there for 2 more years, no matter what. The dead cap is just not worth it.

 

Will be interesting tho. If they flounder again this year, and they will, I could see Ross clean house and fire both Grier and McDaniel. That's the prevailing thought on why Grier is being given another year at all, Ross wants to replace both the GM and HC at the same time instead of this piecemeal stuff.

 

If they end up with a new staff in 2026, I could see them giving Tua 1 last shot under the new guys and then cutting bait in 2027.

 

2027 is the out as it stands today.  They'd have a cap charge of.. and i think im understanding this - 27M in option bonus and 3M in guaranteed base salary for 2027 (25M on the 2025 option bonus, and 15M on the 2026 option: 40M - 5 (2025 option charge)- 8 (2026 option charge)).  So 30M cap charge to not play there roughly - and they'd have to cut him before the 3rd league day or owe him a 7M roster bonus and 17M of his salary guarantees.  

 

If they however decided to lower his cap hit in either 2025 or 2026, then the 2027 number will change.

[DrDawkinstein]

38 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

2027 is the out as it stands today.  They'd have a cap charge of.. and i think im understanding this - 27M in option bonus and 3M in guaranteed base salary for 2027 (25M on the 2025 option bonus, and 15M on the 2026 option: 40M - 5 (2025 option charge)- 8 (2026 option charge)).  So 30M cap charge to not play there roughly - and they'd have to cut him before the 3rd league day or owe him a 7M roster bonus and 17M of his salary guarantees.  

 

If they however decided to lower his cap hit in either 2025 or 2026, then the 2027 number will change.

 

Yep, according to Spotrac it's $31.8M dead cap hit if they release him in 2027. Which saves them $21.6M off his cap hit of $53.4M if he stays on the roster.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47598/tua-tagovailoa

[RobbRiddick]

Didn't feel this warranted a new topic but Tua's press conferences are becoming funnier and funnier. After talking about how Josh Allen is an all-round better human being than he is last week, he's now taking shots at fans and Cam Newton.

 

Can't blame him really, anyone who dresses like Cam deserves what they get. Go get em Tua!!!

 

 

[HOUSE]

Reminds me of a Lamborghini with no engine

[BillsFan4]

He seems to let criticism get to him.

 

It makes me think back to EJ Manuel press conferences (lol).

I remember after one particularly terrible game by EJM, he was asked by a reporter about his poor play and said “coach said I’m playing well”. 🤦‍♂️😂

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:

Didn't feel this warranted a new topic but Tua's press conferences are becoming funnier and funnier. After talking about how Josh Allen is an all-round better human being than he is last week, he's now taking shots at fans and Cam Newton.

 

Can't blame him really, anyone who dresses like Cam deserves what they get. Go get em Tua!!!

 

 

 

 

When I see Tua speak I find it easier to believe how you as a franchise end up tying yourself to him. He is a proper adult in the room, thoughtful, comes across as decisive and if you are around that all day I totally get how you end up going "this guy has the personality I want and he can play." The problem is while his personality might be an A his game is a B- and that is the ultimate limitation. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

23 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Reminds me of a Lamborghini with no engine

 

Or the Lamborghini kit where you can turn your Fiero into a Lambo. What could possibly go wrong?

[bigduke6]

Tua is the ultimate "system" QB.  i dont knock him for anything else.  when the "system" isnt working,  there isnt much off script he can do.  to be truly elite,  a true game changer,  you have to be able to do it all.  Tua simply cant.  his fault? nah.  Fins fault for giving him the bag?  not really,  hes a top 15 QB,  hard to find those.  Tua simply needs more around him to succeed than top 5 QBs and if the team cant provide that,  struggle ensues.  happens.  

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

Tua is the ultimate "system" QB.  i dont knock him for anything else.  when the "system" isnt working,  there isnt much off script he can do.  to be truly elite,  a true game changer,  you have to be able to do it all.  Tua simply cant.  his fault? nah.  Fins fault for giving him the bag?  not really,  hes a top 15 QB,  hard to find those.  Tua simply needs more around him to succeed than top 5 QBs and if the team cant provide that,  struggle ensues.  happens.  

how much more can the Dolphins give him but a better O-line? At the skill positions he has two top end WRs and a top end starting RB, the rookie they have looks promising too. Granted Waller's been hurt but still. 

[bigduke6]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

how much more can the Dolphins give him but a better O-line? At the skill positions he has two top end WRs and a top end starting RB, the rookie they have looks promising too. Granted Waller's been hurt but still. 

exactly.  the OLine.  most important part of the team for the QB.  its been atrocious for the majority of Tuas career pass pro wise. 

[Sweats]

4 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

Tua is the ultimate "system" QB.  i dont knock him for anything else.  when the "system" isnt working,  there isnt much off script he can do.  to be truly elite,  a true game changer,  you have to be able to do it all.  Tua simply cant.  his fault? nah.  Fins fault for giving him the bag?  not really,  hes a top 15 QB,  hard to find those.  Tua simply needs more around him to succeed than top 5 QBs and if the team cant provide that,  struggle ensues.  happens.  

 

 

 

Tua has Waddle, Hill and Achane at his disposal...........28 other teams would kill for that support around their QB. I don't blame the supporting cast, i blame the QB who can't improvise on the fly and get his playmakers the ball and I blame the QB who chokes in critical situations. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

The lack of draft investment in the offensive line is this killing their offense. 2 2nd's over the last 2 years and then you plug them in as starters on the left side.  There isn't even consistency in veterans.  It's patchwork at best.  They're a bit banged up so its hard to fully judge - but the backups being all free agents, with 3 free agent starters currently.  Then you have ifedi and daniels who are free agents on IR.  The only guys they've drafted and developed are jackson and eichenberg (whos basically a 6th OL).  

 

2 years ago the dolphins led the league in yards, and were 2nd in scoring.  The key there?  Healthy tua for 17 games, and mostert and achane both had almost 1000 yards.  They also had robert hunt at guard, and armstead at LT for at least portions of the year.  They've since invested 2 2nd round picks, and signed bargain basement free agents who are available largely because they suck.  

 

 

 

Edited September 26 by Bleeding Bills Blue

[Don Otreply]

Miami like many other teams have yet to recognize that outside of the QB, the O-line is the most important position group on every successful offense, now Miami does have a 2nd rate QB and that doesn’t help their team problems,  I am still a bit stunned that they paid Tua what they paid him, short and long term moron move by their front office, Tua as a player never in a million years warranted such a pay day, but good on on him for bluffing them into that bag .

[dollars 2 donuts]

16 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Miami like many other teams have yet to recognize that outside of the QB, the O-line is the most important position group on every successful offense, now Miami does have a 2nd rate QB and that doesn’t help their team problems,  I am still a bit stunned that they paid Tua what they paid him, short and long term moron move by their front office, Tua as a player never in a million years warranted such a pay day, but good on on him for bluffing them into that bag .

 

 

I want great WRs, Don, but yeah, given the choice...give me the guys to protect my GOAT.

 

One more thing, me too on Tua.  Yes, pay him, but I honestly thought we were talking a very respectable $35 million or so.  

 

I do like the kid, but he really hadn't done anything to warrant that payday other than next man up, which I think is ridiculous with QBs.

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Miami like many other teams have yet to recognize that outside of the QB, the O-line is the most important position group on every successful offense, now Miami does have a 2nd rate QB and that doesn’t help their team problems,  I am still a bit stunned that they paid Tua what they paid him, short and long term moron move by their front office, Tua as a player never in a million years warranted such a pay day, but good on on him for bluffing them into that bag .

 

I think he had all the cards.  They had a really good offense in a contract year.  They paid him, gutted the roster to accomodate it, and never drafted well in the lead-up to it.  0 first round picks in 2022 and 2023, and only 8 picks total.  Not exactly adding cheap talent, and other than achane - the other 7 players weren't good.  They also drafted one offensive lineman over that 2 year stretch despite knowing about Tua, Jackson, Hunt, Phillips, and Waddle coming up for extensions.  There's all-in and there's all-insanity.  

 

So now its 2025 - all the extra picks from bottoming out turned into Waddle, Phillips, tua, and jackson.  Then they dumped picks into Ramsey and Hill.  Gone now are Wilkins, Hunt, Holland, Van Ginkel, and Ramsey (probably hill soon too if were being honest).  Paying Tua is part of the problem, as his salary is why certain players had to go.  But so is poor asset management, poor cap management, and poor drafting.  

 

You could argue it worked for the rams as they won a super bowl dumping 1st round picks into players.  But while they didn't have a 1st round pick for a ton of drafts, they never had so few picks to fill out the roster with cheap depth options.  

[NewEra]

39 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

Tua has Waddle, Hill and Achane at his disposal...........28 other teams would kill for that support around their QB. I don't blame the supporting cast, i blame the QB who can't improvise on the fly and get his playmakers the ball and I blame the QB who chokes in critical situations. 

I wonder what he’d look like with our WRs and OL. He just seems so scared in the pocket nowadays.  I think the years of traumatic experiences have stained him 

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

You could argue it worked for the rams as they won a super bowl dumping 1st round picks into players.  But while they didn't have a 1st round pick for a ton of drafts, they never had so few picks to fill out the roster with cheap depth options.  

 

And they drafted pretty well with the picks they did have. Even guys who they didn't extend like Jordan Fuller and David Long and Ernest Jones and David Edwards were day 3 picks who were average to above average starters on tiny rookie salaries that enabled them to fit the stars in around. And then that 2023 class.... Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Puka Nakua, Steve Avila.... that was one of those classes a bit like Cook, Bernard, Shakir, Benford for the Bills where you just find four long term starters in a single class and Turner and Nakua especially are difference makers for them. 

[26TrapDraw]

I was thinking of how differently the owner of the Bills and the dolphins feel after giving their QB’s these mega contracts. 
jesus what a different return on investment.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And they drafted pretty well with the picks they did have. Even guys who they didn't extend like Jordan Fuller and David Long and Ernest Jones and David Edwards were day 3 picks who were average to above average starters on tiny rookie salaries that enabled them to fit the stars in around. And then that 2023 class.... Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Puka Nakua, Steve Avila.... that was one of those classes a bit like Cook, Bernard, Shakir, Benford for the Bills where you just find four long term starters in a single class and Turner and Nakua especially are difference makers for them. 

 

More picks gives you more chances.  8 picks and no 1st's in a 2 year stretch is brutal, missing on 7/8 just makes it worse.  The dolphins 2024 draft didn't produce much, and they used their 1st on another edge rusher despite having 2 high paid guys in chubb and phillips.