Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Speed. 4.37 second 40 time. In theory makes him more able to be a deep threat. It’s weird but fast doesn’t really mean deep threat. Some players just have a unique ability to get behind the defense. Some players have that skill and are also fast. MVS has both, he just can’t catch consistently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It’s weird but fast doesn’t really mean deep threat. Some players just have a unique ability to get behind the defense. Some players have that skill and are also fast. MVS has both, he just can’t catch consistently. Exactly. If he had all three abilities, chances are we wouldn't have just signed him for a modest contract with a bunch of incentives Edited May 21 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: Speed. 4.37 second 40 time. In theory makes him more able to be a deep threat. That 40 time is from 2018. He's not running a 4.37 in 2024. He doesn't play fast. And that 40 time is 5/100ths of a second from Chase Claypool's 2020 40 time, 18/100ths faster than Justin Shorter's 2023 40 time, and 1/100th second faster than Tyrell Shavers' 2023 40 time. Hell-- Mack Hollins ran a 4.53 in 2019. Obviously, Shorter, and Shavers have an uphill battle to get onto the 53, and don't have a single regular season snap to show for themselves. But do you know what Claypool, and Hollins, (not to mention KJ Hamler, Andy Isabella, and Curtis Samuel) all have in common? They ALL have a higher completion percentage, and lower drop rate than Marquez Valdez-Scantling. And all with far worse quarterbacks throwing them the ball. Here's a link to his 2023 highlight reel. (Bear in mind-- this is a highlight reel, from a season in which he had a 50% completion percentage, and a 7% drop rate). In some of those catches, he's wide open in the end zone. But, there isn't a single reception in the open field (save for one where the safety trips over his own feet), where he isn't covered, and not one route where he is lined up on the boundary. I'm not even making an argument that he won't make the 53. Going into TC, I would put him just behind Hollins (for Hollins' ST play). But, then one has to ask the question: How many 6'4" WRs do they employ? And is MVS really that unique? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Some people are over analyzing this move. MVS has had an important starting role on 2 Super Bowl contending teams. We don’t know what his role will be here but arguing against the signing makes zero sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Some people are over analyzing this move. MVS has had an important starting role on 2 Super Bowl contending teams. We don’t know what his role will be here but arguing against the signing makes zero sense. His career has been underwhelming, he certainly does not have the "I didn't have a QB" excuse, his catch percent is Davis-esque. The concerns are very justified, no where near "zero sense". It is very much non-zero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: His career has been underwhelming, he certainly does not have the "I didn't have a QB" excuse, his catch percent is Davis-esque. The concerns are very justified, no where near "zero sense". It is very much non-zero They run similar routes. Lead the league in depth of target. He drops a lot of shorter stuff so that doesn’t excuse the drops, but the drops don’t affect the catch % that much. His catch % is low because of his depth of target. Just like QB completion % goes down the deeper the throw. Same thing. There shouldn’t be any concerns. He’s not signed to a contract that should concern anyone. Edited May 21 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 i'm amazed we are in such a spot to ridicule and critique a WR playing the #3 role in our offense which is desperate for anything productive. are we that good of a team that this needs to be done or are we that disillusioned that our idea of quality at the position is understood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 I don't see a problem with signing a guy who can play 75% of Gabe Davis' role for 1/8 of the cost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 I miss the Ertz thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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