eball Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 15 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: …and the superfan has spoken! 😂 You know what? I am a super fan. I’m glad you recognize it! 👍🏻 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 3 hours ago, eball said: You mean the long time STH who benefited from the greatest deal in the history of professional sports for decades? Those STH? Cry me a river, buddy. People don’t understand that the Baltimore Ravens had PSL‘s back in the late 90s. Buffalo STHs have been the cat who caught the canary for the last 25+ years. 3 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 37 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: …and the superfan has spoken! 😂 21 minutes ago, eball said: You know what? I am a super fan. I’m glad you recognize it! 👍🏻 The guy has almost 34,000 posts on a team message board. Are we now questioning the dedication of @eball because he is okay with the pricing getting more in line with the rest of the league? 😂😂 That makes him less of a fan?? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The guy has almost 34,000 posts on a team message board. Are we now questioning the dedication of @eball because he is okay with the pricing getting more in line with the rest of the league? 😂😂 That makes him less of a fan?? …okay that he is complaining about fans who may be priced out of the new stadium? …and post quantity means quality? 😂 Edited April 20 by LabattBlue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Just now, LabattBlue said: …okay that he is complaining about fans who may be priced out of the new stadium? He’s not complaining about anyone. He’s saying, “that’s the nature of the league.” Bills fans have had the best value in the league for generations. Now, they are going to be more in line with everyone else. We all should enjoy what we pay now because in 2 short seasons it’ll be double. That’s the market rate for NFL tickets. Bills fans pay those prices already when they’re on the road taking over opponents stadiums. Whining that we are now going to pay market rate is what he objected to. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: …okay that he is complaining about fans who may be priced out of the new stadium? As unfortunate as that is, we all knew it was coming. It just stings when we start seeing it actually happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s not complaining about anyone. He’s saying, “that’s the nature of the league.” Bills fans have had the best value in the league for generations. Now, they are going to be more in line with everyone else. We all should enjoy what we pay now because in 2 short seasons it’ll be double. That’s the market rate for NFL tickets. Bills fans pay those prices already when they’re on the road taking over opponents stadiums. Whining that we are now going to pay market rate is what he objected to. No beef with you Kirby. I will move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 32 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: No beef with you Kirby. I will move on. None with you either 🍻🍻. We all want the same thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: We all want the same thing. Hookers and blow, amirite? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 33 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Hookers and blow, amirite? To be honest, I’m looking for something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 17 minutes ago, SDS said: To be honest, I’m looking for something new. You have to go to the Philippines for that sort of thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Is there any evidence that the PSL‘s are selling poorly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 5 minutes ago, SDS said: Is there any evidence that the PSL‘s are selling poorly? not to my way of thinking but the sample size is small.....it was reported that 75% of the account holders who went thru the "experience" signed up for the new stadium PSL & tix. but that was all the more affluent club seat holders. also, that doesn't factor in how many of the 25% who didn't, will purchase in a lower price area on their 2nd chance. the real test comes when they move to the lower bowl with the so called average joes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 minutes ago, papazoid said: not to my way of thinking but the sample size is small.....it was reported that 75% of the account holders who went thru the "experience" signed up for the new stadium PSL & tix. but that was all the more affluent club seat holders. also, that doesn't factor in how many of the 25% who didn't, will purchase in a lower price area on their 2nd chance. the real test comes when they move to the lower bowl with the so called average joes The biggest issue is we don’t know what the PSL costs are of the lower bowls with the “average joes”. For all we know it’s a 2-4k PSL and people have been getting all worked up over 15k PSLs for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, LabattBlue said: …and post quantity means quality? 😂 Certainly not in your case. 😉 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s not complaining about anyone. He’s saying, “that’s the nature of the league.” Bills fans have had the best value in the league for generations. Now, they are going to be more in line with everyone else. We all should enjoy what we pay now because in 2 short seasons it’ll be double. That’s the market rate for NFL tickets. Bills fans pay those prices already when they’re on the road taking over opponents stadiums. Whining that we are now going to pay market rate is what he objected to. It really is a shame that you have to explain something that is so plainly obvious…but thanks. Edited April 20 by eball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 31 minutes ago, SDS said: Is there any evidence that the PSL‘s are selling poorly? The Buffalo News reported that 1 of ever 4 Season Ticket Holders are choosing not to buy them at their PSL appointments. Some posters have theorized that a percentage of those people may end up purchasing in less-expensive sections than they currently sit so that number may be lower in time, which I think is a fair argument. Where it gets tricky is whether we can actually trust this number. I don't have any evidence for this, but understanding how organizations think, my hypothesis is that this 25% number is actually a bit higher, and that the Bills are using corporate buys to bump that number (with the goal of creating scarcity). We have seen in other stadiums (Jets and Atlanta for example), that the teams have had to lower prices to sell all of the PSL's. Whether this all lines up with the Bills internal KPI's is unknown, but I have my doubts on whether Pegula would be raising capital via the sale of a portion of the team if PSL's were selling like hot cakes. My hypothesis is that they were using the club seats as a benchmark for forecasting the remainder of the stadium and they are now realizing that the prices they will be able to charge for other areas will not be as high as they had hoped. Lower prices -> increase % of sold -> raise capital elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 25 minutes ago, mrags said: The biggest issue is we don’t know what the PSL costs are of the lower bowls with the “average joes”. For all we know it’s a 2-4k PSL and people have been getting all worked up over 15k PSLs for nothing. And then you have people all worked up over something they don’t know and a certain poster that then makes up things like the PSLs are not selling and spreads the manure across multiple threads with no proof. He is the equivalent of the fake Mahomes interception thread. If you make up something and post it - it must be true. 🤦♂️ 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: The Buffalo News reported that 1 of ever 4 Season Ticket Holders are choosing not to buy them at their PSL appointments. Some posters have theorized that a percentage of those people may end up purchasing in less-expensive sections than they currently sit so that number may be lower in time, which I think is a fair argument. Where it gets tricky is whether we can actually trust this number. I don't have any evidence for this, but understanding how organizations think, my hypothesis is that this 25% number is actually a bit higher, and that the Bills are using corporate buys to bump that number (with the goal of creating scarcity). We have seen in other stadiums (Jets and Atlanta for example), that the teams have had to lower prices to sell all of the PSL's. Whether this all lines up with the Bills internal KPI's is unknown, but I have my doubts on whether Pegula would be raising capital via the sale of a portion of the team if PSL's were selling like hot cakes. My hypothesis is that they were using the club seats as a benchmark for forecasting the remainder of the stadium and they are now realizing that the prices they will be able to charge for other areas will not be as high as they had hoped. Lower prices -> increase % of sold -> raise capital elsewhere. So no evidence - yet you have stated it as fact in multiple threads. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said: And then you have people all worked up over something they don’t know and a certain poster that then makes up things like the PSLs are not selling and spreads the manure across multiple threads with no proof. He is the equivalent of the fake Mahomes interception thread. If you make up something and post it - it must be true. 🤦♂️ The joy of the internet and this generation of people believing something just because it was written. Yeah, written by a 2 bit hack that has no knowledge of the situation anyway. tomes were so much simpler when we didn’t have instant access to every single bit of “information” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottaRun Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: So no evidence - yet you have stated it as fact in multiple threads. I think some people desperately want this to fail because they think they'll be able to get tickets in the new stadium cheap like the old/current days. That's misguided as any tickets that aren't grabbed by STH are going to be sold as single game tickets at way higher prices than we currently pay for STH. Not a theory, all you need to do is look and see what the Bills charge for single game tickets now, it's far higher than the STH price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: The Buffalo News reported that 1 of ever 4 Season Ticket Holders are choosing not to buy them at their PSL appointments. Some posters have theorized that a percentage of those people may end up purchasing in less-expensive sections than they currently sit so that number may be lower in time, which I think is a fair argument. Where it gets tricky is whether we can actually trust this number. I don't have any evidence for this, but understanding how organizations think, my hypothesis is that this 25% number is actually a bit higher, and that the Bills are using corporate buys to bump that number (with the goal of creating scarcity). We have seen in other stadiums (Jets and Atlanta for example), that the teams have had to lower prices to sell all of the PSL's. Whether this all lines up with the Bills internal KPI's is unknown, but I have my doubts on whether Pegula would be raising capital via the sale of a portion of the team if PSL's were selling like hot cakes. My hypothesis is that they were using the club seats as a benchmark for forecasting the remainder of the stadium and they are now realizing that the prices they will be able to charge for other areas will not be as high as they had hoped. Lower prices -> increase % of sold -> raise capital elsewhere. PSL's are expected to raise $100-200 million the cost over runs of the new stadium are already $300 mil and likely rising to as much as $600 mil or more irregardless of the PSL success, that doesn't cover the significant cash he needs for the stadium cost over runs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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