WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I ran across this on a BR article of "Free Agents the Bills should Avoid" so take this with a grain of salt. He's coming off injury, but it was a pectoral muscle tear. He has some injury history, but he's played well when he's healthy. Last year the best he got was a one year deal for a $4 M cap hit for the Lions. In my mind that's the perfect short term pickup as we are phasing Poyer out and grooming a rookie. What say you all? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 10 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I ran across this on a BR article of "Free Agents the Bills should Avoid" so take this with a grain of salt. He's coming off injury, but it was a pectoral muscle tear. He has some injury history, but he's played well when he's healthy. Last year the best he got was a one year deal for a $4 M cap hit for the Lions. In my mind that's the perfect short term pickup as we are phasing Poyer out and grooming a rookie. What say you all? What’s odds he lasts an entire season while grooming that rookie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 The weakness of the Lions was their back 7. He is a vet but he just isn’t very good. I’d pass unless it was a 1 year like 2 million dollar prove it deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 54 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I ran across this on a BR article of "Free Agents the Bills should Avoid" so take this with a grain of salt. He's coming off injury, but it was a pectoral muscle tear. He has some injury history, but he's played well when he's healthy. Last year the best he got was a one year deal for a $4 M cap hit for the Lions. In my mind that's the perfect short term pickup as we are phasing Poyer out and grooming a rookie. What say you all? We have a strong locker room culture but anyone on their third team in 3 years raises antennae’s, especially when they have been pretty good in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 He's a little older than Poyer, but... 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I ran across this on a BR article of "Free Agents the Bills should Avoid" so take this with a grain of salt. He's coming off injury, but it was a pectoral muscle tear. He has some injury history, but he's played well when he's healthy. Last year the best he got was a one year deal for a $4 M cap hit for the Lions. In my mind that's the perfect short term pickup as we are phasing Poyer out and grooming a rookie. What say you all? I wouldn't be excited by it as I have always felt he's overrated. But at the right price (league minimum), sure why not. I actually may prefer Taylor Rapp back before him though as I thought he looked better later in the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 He won’t be as cheap as one can hope and as discussed before in other threads, there is a host of Safeties who are around the same age him and will cost around the same $. He got injured twice last year: leg then pectoral. Whilst it probably won’t be career hindering there’s guys who’ve been just as productive, if not more, and missed less time. Jordan Whitehead. Xavier McKinney. Kyle Dugger. Jeremy Chinn. Antoine Winfield Jr. Darnell Savage. Mike Edwards. They won’t all available of course but one or two will. I’d love Savage but there’s no way they let him walk out of GB. Same with Winfield in TB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: What’s odds he lasts an entire season while grooming that rookie? Admittedly, not great. But if the plan is to have play above bottom feeder level at a budget I think the Bills can very much do worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 38 minutes ago, BBFL said: He won’t be as cheap as one can hope and as discussed before in other threads, there is a host of Safeties who are around the same age him and will cost around the same $. He got injured twice last year: leg then pectoral. Whilst it probably won’t be career hindering there’s guys who’ve been just as productive, if not more, and missed less time. Jordan Whitehead. Xavier McKinney. Kyle Dugger. Jeremy Chinn. Antoine Winfield Jr. Darnell Savage. Mike Edwards. They won’t all available of course but one or two will. I’d love Savage but there’s no way they let him walk out of GB. Same with Winfield in TB. McKinney is the one "pricey" FA I want us to go after. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) There are way better options than him IMO. If it came to it, sure, but I'd much prefer most of the other guys. 46 minutes ago, BBFL said: He won’t be as cheap as one can hope and as discussed before in other threads, there is a host of Safeties who are around the same age him and will cost around the same $. He got injured twice last year: leg then pectoral. Whilst it probably won’t be career hindering there’s guys who’ve been just as productive, if not more, and missed less time. Jordan Whitehead. Xavier McKinney. Kyle Dugger. Jeremy Chinn. Antoine Winfield Jr. Darnell Savage. Mike Edwards. They won’t all available of course but one or two will. I’d love Savage but there’s no way they let him walk out of GB. Same with Winfield in TB. The stories I have heard he is likely walking. Winfield won't hit the market. He is the best FA safety out there. The second best is Kamren Curl IMO. I'd love him. I'm hoping his reputation not being that big will keep him affordable but I don't know. Edited February 15 by GunnerBill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Nay. We don't need the hyphenated last name. It's confusing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I may be in the minority but I like Gardner-Johnson. He would be cheap because of his injury history but would be a good FS/nickel for us if we got a good deal. His biggest weakness is tackling but McD and company are good at getting our DBs to be more physical and he’s still relatively young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, BBFL said: He won’t be as cheap as one can hope and as discussed before in other threads, there is a host of Safeties who are around the same age him and will cost around the same $. He got injured twice last year: leg then pectoral. Whilst it probably won’t be career hindering there’s guys who’ve been just as productive, if not more, and missed less time. Jordan Whitehead. Xavier McKinney. Kyle Dugger. Jeremy Chinn. Antoine Winfield Jr. Darnell Savage. Mike Edwards. They won’t all available of course but one or two will. I’d love Savage but there’s no way they let him walk out of GB. Same with Winfield in TB. I hadn't seen it, but I appreciate the legwork. That's pretty much exactly what I was hoping for: that if 2-4 of those guys are free on Day 2 and 3, I think a cap friendly solution can be had. I would not hate a 3-4 year deal that puts the payoff around 2026, as that's when we are to work through our dead money and the expected big cap bump from all the streaming contracts and gambling should finally bear fruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I ran across this on a BR article of "Free Agents the Bills should Avoid" so take this with a grain of salt. He's coming off injury, but it was a pectoral muscle tear. He has some injury history, but he's played well when he's healthy. Last year the best he got was a one year deal for a $4 M cap hit for the Lions. In my mind that's the perfect short term pickup as we are phasing Poyer out and grooming a rookie. What say you all? Honestly Bills Fam, We can't really speculate on any FA's until we know the cap situation. It sucks, but thats where we are at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Just now, SoonerBillsFan said: Honestly Bills Fam, We can't really speculate on any FA's until we know the cap situation. It sucks, but thats where we are at. I think we can honestly say that the situation is "budget free agents or no free agents" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I think we can honestly say that the situation is "budget free agents or no free agents" I would be fine trying to pick up more draft picks and play their butts. After June 1st then talk to some guys that are lower cost to come in and help. WR, DL, and then DB's should be the order of the day in April. We need 2 WR, 2-3 DL and 2-3 DB's. 1 WR, 2 DL and 1-2 DB's have to make some sort of impact this year. Look at what KC does, what Detroit did, we need to do that this year badly. What gives me hope is Beane knocked it out of the park with bases loaded in the 1st 2 rounds last year. I pray he can do that in the first 4 this year as the Lions did. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I never trust any one with 2 last names . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Admittedly, not great. But if the plan is to have play above bottom feeder level at a budget I think the Bills can very much do worse. True enough, we all know Beane is looking at every possibility, it should at least be entertaining to watch it all unfold, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: There are way better options than him IMO. If it came to it, sure, but I'd much prefer most of the other guys. The stories I have heard he is likely walking. Winfield won't hit the market. He is the best FA safety out there. The second best is Kamren Curl IMO. I'd love him. I'm hoping his reputation not being that big will keep him affordable but I don't know. Imagine finding two late round safeties coming out of their first contract this year who only received moderate starting time over the last few seasons, and turning them both into all-pros? It's still pretty remarkable what Poyer and Hyde became for the Bills. Let's find two more! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I would be fine trying to pick up more draft picks and play their butts. After June 1st then talk to some guys that are lower cost to come in and help. WR, DL, and then DB's should be the order of the day in April. We need 2 WR, 2-3 DL and 2-3 DB's. 1 WR, 2 DL and 1-2 DB's have to make some sort of impact this year. Look at what KC does, what Detroit did, we need to do that this year badly. What gives me hope is Beane knocked it out of the park with bases loaded in the 1st 2 rounds last year. I pray he can do that in the first 4 this year as the Lions did. I like the strategy and agree WR is a must multiple times in this loaded class. I don’t think we need to go crazy with DBs as we can get a couple cheap options if need be in FA. I’d save a couple draft picks for O line (tackle, center options) as those are pricier players after the rookie contracts and Brown is one back injury from sucking again and Dawkins is getting older and chunkier…Morse is old too. All these guys can play but good to not handcuff yourself later on by not having quality guys waiting when contract talks get pricey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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