Dr. Who Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 21 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Yeah … of course it’s possible … but regardless of how much they want to use him … I’m not seeing a guy like Legette doing it Year 1…. Not trying to be critical of the guy … as he does have a high ceiling and might be a beast in a couple of years .. If your main criteria is a rookie who can come in and immediately handle a lot of targets, that's McConkey, imo, but he's not a classic X. He takes the Diggs' role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: If your main criteria is a rookie who can come in and immediately handle a lot of targets, that's McConkey, imo, but he's not a classic X. He takes the Diggs' role. I’m thinking that McConkeys high floor Year 1 contribution , combined with the high ceiling and athleticism of Legette could be the way to go ….Beane needs to pull off the double somehow … take one at 28 and move up to the top of the second for the other one … Edited April 11 by Aussie Joe 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 12 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m thinking that McConkeys high floor Year 1 contribution , combined with the high ceiling and athleticism of Legette could be the way to go ….Beane needs to pull off the double somehow … take one at 28 and move up to the top of the second for the other one … That is my exact preference. I was hoping for Kincaid last year. Maybe the same magic will happen again. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 11 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The Cardinals asking price for 4 is 3 1st Rounders: https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/report_cardinals_set_huge_asking_price_to_trade_no_4_pick/s1_127_40220273 This is pretty much what I expected. They're going to take MHJ unless they receive an offer they can't refuse. I think that it’s POSSIBLE that you could give them something like 28, 128, 2025 1st and the Minnesota 2025 2nd. The fact that it’s the Vikings pick that we got for Diggs is helpful. If Darnold is their QB most people probably think that pick is in the top 10 of the round. If they think that the Bills regress a little they might be thinking: 28th this year, 128th, 20ish and 40ish next year. That’s starting to get warmer. Of course they’ll throw out a big ask but if you put that offer on the table I think that they’d say yes. They’re trying to create a bidding war for McCarthy (which is hilarious to me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They’re trying to create a bidding war for McCarthy (which is hilarious to me). It's hilarious to me too, but it seems almost inevitable that someone is going to go up for him. I'd be saying to Minnesota "If you don't someone else will." I can see something like Minn's two firsts this year, and their first next year but Arizona's 2025 2nd going back the other way. The other team I keep hearing are very much in the mix for a trade up to #4 is the Giants. That must be attractive to AZ.... Get an extra pick and still get Harrison or Nabers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: It's hilarious to me too, but it seems almost inevitable that someone is going to go up for him. I'd be saying to Minnesota "If you don't someone else will." I can see something like Minn's two firsts this year, and their first next year but Arizona's 2025 2nd going back the other way. The other team I keep hearing are very much in the mix for a trade up to #4 is the Giants. That must be attractive to AZ.... Get an extra pick and still get Harrison or Nabers. It seems inevitable but maybe Arizona is just throwing that out to create artificial demand? The Vikings are desperate. Maybe they can use that desperation to do what you suggested with the Giants? Maybe they can get them to panic, slide up 2 spots & Cards still get the WR? I just can’t wrap my head around being desperate for McCarthy 😂. He doesn’t have the measurables. His ball placement is spotty. He’s not quick through progressions. His arm is average. He isn’t a great athlete. We like that he won? Lol, so we are trading 3 firsts for a guy with average tools and average numbers because he won a lot with elite talent around him? Brock Purdy Syndrome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It seems inevitable but maybe Arizona is just throwing that out to create artificial demand? The Vikings are desperate. Maybe they can use that desperation to do what you suggested with the Giants? Maybe they can get them to panic, slide up 2 spots & Cards still get the WR? I just can’t wrap my head around being desperate for McCarthy 😂. He doesn’t have the measurables. His ball placement is spotty. He’s not quick through progressions. His arm is average. He isn’t a great athlete. We like that he won? Lol, so we are trading 3 firsts for a guy with average tools and average numbers because he won a lot with elite talent around him? Brock Purdy Syndrome Yea. There is an AJ McCarron to him. I have him 6th of 6 among the top QB options. Arizona is definitely trying to create a market. I think Denver would love to move up, but have no ammunition. Minnesota is desperate. The Giants brass if they have another bad year with Jones might be out that creates an urgency... who knows that the Raiders plan is? I think the Cards are in a position to really ramp it up. And IF (as I have heard is possible McCarthy goes #3) and Daniels or Maye are at #4 then what I was told is teams you don't think are in the QB market would be in the QB market. Jets and Seahawks spring to mind. Possibly Saints? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea. There is an AJ McCarron to him. I have him 6th of 6 among the top QB options. Arizona is definitely trying to create a market. I think Denver would love to move up, but have no ammunition. Minnesota is desperate. The Giants brass if they have another bad year with Jones might be out that creates an urgency... who knows that the Raiders plan is? I think the Cards are in a position to really ramp it up. And IF (as I have heard is possible McCarthy goes #3) and Daniels or Maye are at #4 then what I was told is teams you don't think are in the QB market would be in the QB market. Jets and Seahawks spring to mind. Possibly Saints? I love the McCarron comparison!! It’ll be super interesting if McCarthy goes 3. I have the Vikings currently in the mock draft and that’s why I wanted them. I had a deal with the Cards contingent on McCarthy going 3. When the top 3 went 1-3 it was a no go. If I was sitting at 11, he wasn’t going to be the pick. In real life, someone will go up to get him (if he doesn’t already go 3). I don’t understand. There’s another interesting angle inflating his draft stock. There really don’t seem to be any veteran trade targets out there now. Most years there are a couple of guys “in the Jimmy G tier” that you can get if you miss in the draft. For the most part, those guys aren’t out there. We don’t have a lot of solid vets sitting behind kids with question marks. The Vikings, Broncos and Raiders probably roll with the trash that they have if they can’t get one of those guys. Nix or Penix will compete but there’s just not a lot of options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I love the McCarron comparison!! It’ll be super interesting if McCarthy goes 3. I have the Vikings currently in the mock draft and that’s why I wanted them. I had a deal with the Cards contingent on McCarthy going 3. When the top 3 went 1-3 it was a no go. If I was sitting at 11, he wasn’t going to be the pick. In real life, someone will go up to get him (if he doesn’t already go 3). I don’t understand. There’s another interesting angle inflating his draft stock. There really don’t seem to be any veteran trade targets out there now. Most years there are a couple of guys “in the Jimmy G tier” that you can get if you miss in the draft. For the most part, those guys aren’t out there. We don’t have a lot of solid vets sitting behind kids with question marks. The Vikings, Broncos and Raiders probably roll with the trash that they have if they can’t get one of those guys. Nix or Penix will compete but there’s just not a lot of options. Totally agree with that. Darnold, Minchew and Stidham are currently pencilled in starters! EDIT: Basically we haven't backfilled that Fitzpatrick, Keenum, Tyrod, Foles, Brian Hoyer type tier from 5 or 6 years ago. There is Brissett and possibly I suppose Minshew but there are not a ton of other proven capable bridge Quarterbacks Edited April 11 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: It seems inevitable but maybe Arizona is just throwing that out to create artificial demand? The Vikings are desperate. Maybe they can use that desperation to do what you suggested with the Giants? Maybe they can get them to panic, slide up 2 spots & Cards still get the WR? I just can’t wrap my head around being desperate for McCarthy 😂. He doesn’t have the measurables. His ball placement is spotty. He’s not quick through progressions. His arm is average. He isn’t a great athlete. We like that he won? Lol, so we are trading 3 firsts for a guy with average tools and average numbers because he won a lot with elite talent around him? Brock Purdy Syndrome Brock Purdy has flat out proven that he is a good NFL qb. The better comp for your argument is Mac Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 24 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Brock Purdy has flat out proven that he is a good NFL qb. The better comp for your argument is Mac Jones. Brock Purdy is good. He was the last pick in the draft because of his tools. McCarthy is now going top 5 because Purdy is good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 I was fading Brian Thomas but now I’m all in. If anyone cares. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 I watched Steve Smith’s breakdown of Brian Thomas Jr. The biggest thing I noticed is his speed shows up with everything he does. It’s not just vertical speed. I can get over the laid back personality. It might actually be perfect for Josh. Thomas, Kincaid, Shakir, and Samuel all seem like mild mannered guys. Maybe this will be a good change for Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 34 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I really think a trade back is the ideal play, if they can find a partner and get fair compensation. 1 WR, even 2 are not catapulting this team to the SB while they are doing a reboot on D. As it stands, the presumed starter at LDE had 0 sacks last season and while I like Epenesa and Toohill as backups, I don’t think we want them starting. It’s going to take 2 off-seasons to get 2 WR, likely a starter at CB for when Douglas moves on, backup CB, future starter at 1T DT (Jones is getting up there), and a better S or 2 given their current guys at that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 What do you think. eSPN draft simulator. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 12 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m thinking that McConkeys high floor Year 1 contribution , combined with the high ceiling and athleticism of Legette could be the way to go ….Beane needs to pull off the double somehow … take one at 28 and move up to the top of the second for the other one … McConkey and Legette would be the ABSOLUTE PERFECT COMBO of WR's to land if we can't get up high for BTJ or trade for a current player. We'd have an out of the box ready guy with a massive future ceiling guy. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 I’m ready to tank two years for Ohio State WR Jeremiah Smith. 6’3 215lb true freshman is the best WR prospect ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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