BillsFanForever19 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) Among most, if not all, posts talking about freeing up cap space - Nyheim Hines being released is mentioned. And in a vacuum, it seems like a no brainer type of move. But it appears it's not going to happen. I've touched on this in other posts a bit before but there's factors at play here. When the injury occured, his agent started speaking up about filing a grievance if he wasn't taken care of. Then it all went away. Beane and he came to an agreement. Hines would keep a portion of his money and not be released and in turn, most of his money for last season would come off the books - freeing up some cap space for last year and Hines and his people wouldn't file a grievance. I've been almost positive part of that agreement was he wouldn't be cut and given every opportunity to reclaim his job. Hines has said that he's going to be a Bill this year: Quote “They treated me right at the end of the day and they took care of it and I’m a member of the Buffalo Bills and I look forward to coming back there next year and earning the right to win.” https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-nyheim-hines-injury-rehab-jet-ski-accident Yesterday at Beane's Year End Presser - he confirmed it. Nyheim Hines will not be an offseason cap casualty: Quote Beane: Nyheim is still, he had that surgery (in) early August, so he's still working on his rehab and I don't have a timeline to say (when) he's going to be cleared. But, ya know, I would see him being cleared by Training Camp. I'm not a doctor and I haven't gotten that clarity but just knowing when he did it - I don't know what his participation will be like in OTA's yet. Sal: But you would see him as part of the team going forward? Beane: Yes (56:49 - 57:22) I'm not a capologist, so I don't know if there's any massaging that can be done to his contract to create some relief somewhere. But it's pretty clear that unless he is completely physically unable to perform, Nyheim Hines will be one of our RB's behind James Cook. Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19 1 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Its one thing to bring him back, its another thing to survive cuts end of preseason. 5 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 If he’s healthy he fills 3 positions for the Bills. 3rd down RB, punt and kick returner. I could see him reducing his base salary. 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just don’t lose Ty Johnson 2 30 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Are you saying he was guaranteed a roster spot in 24 or guaranteed a chance to earn that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Its one thing to bring him back, its another thing to survive cuts end of preseason. This is true. They could still cut him after Pre-Season if he's lost a step or is flat out beaten out. But he won't be a cap casualty during the FA process, as many have expected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 He should be. If he's released they save 5 million against the cap. He only has a 500k dead cap hit if released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Are you saying he was guaranteed a roster spot in 24 or guaranteed a chance to earn that? A chance to earn it. Which I think unless he's lost a step, he most likely will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Just don’t lose Ty Johnson I really liked him this year! I think he's a perfect change of pace back to go with Cook. Please keep him Beane 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) 5 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: He should be. If he's released they save 5 million against the cap. He only has a 500k dead cap hit if released. In a vacuum, given our cap situation, yes. But if he was told he'll be coming to Camp in exchange for not filing a grievance and saving us some cap space last year - Beane can't go back on his word. That would be terrible for his reputation amongst the locker room and FA's going forward. Edited January 25 by BillsFanForever19 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: In a vacuum, giving our cap situation, yes. But if he was told he'll be coming to Camp in exchange for not filing a grievance and saving us some cap space last year - Beane can't go back on his word. That would be terrible for his reputation amongst the locker room and FA's going forward. They were really all-in on this year, this wouldn't surprise me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Hines is talented. He, Johnson & Cook sounds good to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) Overrated player coming off ACL injury. I'm not sure he would even made the team healthy last year, let alone next year coming off an ACL. Goodbye. They have 10 draft picks. they can use one of them on a very late round, running back or sign a street free agent that can do just as much as Hines can do for far less money. Edited January 24 by Ethan in Cleveland 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He should be. If he's released they save 5 million against the cap. He only has a 500k dead cap hit if released. He’s 3 roster players though. I think he returns at a lower base salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: A chance to earn it. Which I think unless he's lost a step, he most likely will. ACL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Overrated player coming off ACL injury. I'm not sure he would even made the team healthy last year, let alone next year coming off an ACL. Goodbye. He was ok on special teams when they bought him in midway through 2022 … we dont know how he would go on O because they never gave him a chance …just another player they didn’t trust because he “hadn’t learnt the system “.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Hopefully our OC a would figure out how to utilize him in the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: He was ok on special teams when they bought him in midway through 2022 … we dont know how he would go on O because they never gave him a chance …just another player they didn’t trust because he “hadn’t learnt the system “.. Yes...just OK. Those 2 kickoff returns for TDs are just regular plays the Bills make on a week in week out basis. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 14 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Overrated player coming off ACL injury. I'm not sure he would even made the team healthy last year, let alone next year coming off an ACL. Goodbye. They have 10 draft picks. they can use one of them on a very late round, running back or sign a street free agent that can do just as much as Hines can do for far less money. That may or may not be true. But it doesn't change the fact that he will not be told "goodbye". And he absolutely would have made the squad last year. We wouldn't have signed Damien Harris or Latavius Murray if he were on the roster. We gave up a pick and a player for him and said before the injury he was being brought on slow in 2022 because he was just learning the playbook and that they had big plans for him. Perhaps he'll take a pay cut or there's a way they can restructure it to create space. But pre injury, he was one of the better pass catching RB's in the league and a top returner with rare speed for a RB. Those are valued traits you can't just find anywhere. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 21 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: Hopefully our OC a would figure out how to utilize him in the offense. He had to deal exclusively with Dorsey .. who seemed to have some trust issues as witnessed since his departure 19 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Yes...just OK. Those 2 kickoff returns for TDs are just regular plays the Bills make on a week in week out basis. I would definitely have him back returning kicks and punts if he is back to that 2022 form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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