The Three Plays that Cost us the Game

[BillsFan130]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:00 AM, dma0034 said:

 

 

That's a loss. Hell even Peyton Manning, when he was with the Colts, shaved the clock because he didn't want Brady to have time. Romo literally on the next play said the Chiefs should do Cover 0 because you don't want the Bills to run the clock.

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Why do you/people assume the bills would automatically get a TD if they just played for the first down there?

 

And if they didn't get a TD, clearly we can't trust our kicker to tie it

Always take the touchdown 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

  On 1/22/2024 at 3:14 AM, Freak-O said:

Cook dropped a TD as well. Crucial. The non pass to Diggs at the end was the worst one. Get a new set of downs, milk the clock and an excellent opportunity to score. I don’t get why Josh went for a TD there. Too much time left on the clock.

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The Cook drop (while bad) was not crucial. We scored two plays later and ran the clock so KC had less time to respond. While a bad drop it actually helped. 

[BananaB]

  On 1/22/2024 at 3:15 AM, Xwnyer said:

Maybe he doesn’t trust Diggs over Shakir

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It’s definitely a possibility. Shakir catches just about everything 

[CapeBreton]

  On 1/22/2024 at 3:41 AM, QLBillsFan said:

Play the 3rd and 9 to gain some yards. Then go for it on 4th and 3 or 4. Because even if our bad kicker hits the kick KC has 143 and 2 TOs .. does anyone think KC and Patty would not get 3? Please … 

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Thank you, that 3rd down was so poorly played. It’s clear that Bass is useless so you have to try anything to get the touchdown there. Was way too much time on the clock for the Bass field goal attempt, KC and Butker would have beat us regardless. 

[JoshAllin]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:03 AM, BillsFan130 said:

Why do you/people assume the bills would automatically get a TD if they just played for the first down there?

 

And if they didn't get a TD, clearly we can't trust our kicker to tie it

Always take the touchdown 

 

 

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You're gonna have to trust the kicker if that situation arises as opposed to the defense stopping Mahomes with 2mins left

Edited January 22, 2024 by motorj

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

  On 1/22/2024 at 3:09 AM, VaMilBill said:

Diggs dropping that bomb. We end of punting in that drive. No points scored. We probably (maybe?) get at least three there if caught. 
 

This is the one that kills me the most. Josh missing the crossing route to Diggs there on the last drive on 2nd and 9. If caught, Diggs definitely gets a first and probably goes down around the 10. It’s plays like these that made a Brady great cause he would see it, take the easy, high percentage, throw and keep the chains moving and the clock ticking. I honestly think at this point Josh will never get us over the hump because of either his inability to see plays like that or unwillingness to take the easy dump off even at crunch time. 
 

Bass missing the FG at the end. Statistically Bass has been one of the worst kickers this season. I’ve been harping about it since the beginning of December. McD simply never trusted him the second half of the season. Last week was a giant flashing sign saying “don’t trust bass!” that McD didn’t heed. Even his XPs tonight were barely eeking in between the uprights. Now I understand if we make that FG, the chiefs still have a lot of time and two TOs, but missing it guaranteed we would lose. 

 

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What was the option?  Cut Bass and bring in a new guy?  Or in this game go for it on 4th and 9?? I don't know if Diggs would have got the 1st down, but could have brought it down to more like 4th and 3 or so, then could see them going  for the 1st instead of kicking.

 

Agree on other 2 plays, too may times trying for the big one instead of moving the chains.  There were other drops too, think the Shakir drop was worse, but did make up for it on the TD catch. Also bad drop by Cook, did they still score on that drive?

 

Hard to figure out though how Bass could go from so good for really great first 3 seasons to this year. If this was his 14th year instead of 4th, could chalk it up to his leg is shot.

[dma0034]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:03 AM, BillsFan130 said:

Why do you/people assume the bills would automatically get a TD if they just played for the first down there?

 

And if they didn't get a TD, clearly we can't trust our kicker to tie it

Always take the touchdown 

 

 

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It's not even about getting a TD later. You simply cannot give the ball back to Mahomes. Even if that means a closer FG then that's the play. I would rather the Bills tie it with 30 seconds left then give it to Mahomes with 2 minutes left

[BananaB]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:06 AM, CapeBreton said:

Thank you, that 3rd down was so poorly played. It’s clear that Bass is useless so you have to try anything to get the touchdown there. Was way too much time on the clock for the Bass field goal attempt, KC and Butker would have beat us regardless. 

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Totally agree. I told my wife before the drive started if they had to settle for a FG Bass was gonna miss it. Didn’t matter how far out it was. I figure that would be a McD decision, Romo was commenting on just how much confidence McD had in Bass if the game was on the line…. Womp womp womp

[Iverwig]

The play for Shakir was there if Allen doesn’t get hit. Yes, Diggs was open but maybe Allen may have trusted Shakir more than Diggs. He would never admit it but maybe he treated Shakir as WR1.  With the exception of one play Diggs had been trash all game. 

[BillsFan130]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:08 AM, dma0034 said:

 

 

It's not even about getting a TD later. You simply cannot give the ball back to Mahomes. Even if that means a closer FG then that's the play. I would rather the Bills tie it with 30 seconds left then give it to Mahomes with 2 minutes left

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You would rather be tied with 30 seconds left (when Mahomes has shown he only needs 13 seconds for a Fg) opposed to be winning by 4 with 1:50 left?

 

Respectfully, I do not understand that logic at all.

 

So best case scenario is OT and worst case is you lose on a game winning kick in regulation?..

 

[BFLO]

  On 1/22/2024 at 3:12 AM, Your Brown Eye said:

That crossing route hurt, Diggs was wide open. 

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Josh had stopped looking for Diggs by that point. Last 3 attempts to Diggs were incomplete. 

[CapeBreton]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:09 AM, BananaB said:

Totally agree. I told my wife before the drive started if they had to settle for a FG Bass was gonna miss it. Didn’t matter how far out it was. I figure that would be a McD decision, Romo was commenting on just how much confidence McD had in Bass if the game was on the line…. Womp womp womp

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Having any confidence in Bass is insane, all of his kicks in the last two games were questionable. Then you watch Butker and he drills everything right down the middle, just painful. 

[dma0034]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:13 AM, BillsFan130 said:

You would rather be tied with 30 seconds left (when Mahomes has shown he only needs 13 seconds for a Fg) opposed to be winning by 4 with 1:50 left?

 

Respectfully, I do not understand that logic at all.

 

So best case scenario is OT and worst case is you lose on a game winning kick in regulation?..

 

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Mahomes wouldn't have any TOs. 13 seconds happens because the Chiefs have TOs and the Bills defend the sideline. 

 

30 seconds with no TOs and you have to go 45/50 yards. I'll take that risk over him having 2 TOs and 2 minutes needing a TD.

 

Think this way: He needs to go about 1.5 yards per second to beat the Bills with it tied. Or he needs .5 yards per second to beat the Bills with the Bills winning by 4. That's the logic.

[chongli]

 

[Man with No Name]

i think allen was right to go to a wide open shakir there. he hits that 80% of the time without the pressure being there. question is, should josh have felt the pressure and moved away from it? 

 

or was the blocking so bad there that he wouldn't have anticipated it breaking down like that? 

[chongli]

 

[BillsFan130]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:16 AM, dma0034 said:

 

Mahomes wouldn't have any TOs. 13 seconds happens because the Chiefs have TOs and the Bills defend the sideline. 

 

30 seconds with no TOs and you have to go 45/50 yards. I'll take that risk over him having 2 TOs and 2 minutes needing a TD.

 

Think this way: He needs to go about 1.5 yards per second to beat the Bills with it tied. Or he needs .5 yards per second to beat the Bills with the Bills winning by 4. That's the logic.

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But it still doesn't make sense to me.

 

Up 4 with a chance to win in regulation 

 

Or..

 

BEST case scenario overtime...

 

There shouldn't even be a debate to what the better option is.

 

 

 

[UKBillFan]

I’ve already criticised Josh for the final drive on what was otherwise a good evening for him. But any criticism for Dawkins for allowing Jones to have his way with him? If he’d held his ground, just for one more second, it could have been a TD.

[Toyo321]

  On 1/22/2024 at 3:44 AM, rm -rf /* said:

My two main issues:

 

Cutting Haack and going into this game with a gimp punter.

 

The fake punt. 10 men or not, with that field position--assinine.  I felt like that was huge swing point of the game.

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Yeah that fake punt is something to harp on, why in the world was Damar Hamlin even considered to be the ball carrier, he is slow as hell and has zero running capability.  Unreal if you are going to run a fake at least have the ball in the hands of a player that can actually pull it off and run the ball.

[Wayne Arnold]

  On 1/22/2024 at 3:09 AM, VaMilBill said:

This is the one that kills me the most. Josh missing the crossing route to Diggs there on the last drive on 2nd and 9. If caught, Diggs definitely gets a first and probably goes down around the 10. It’s plays like these that made a Brady great cause he would see it, take the easy, high percentage, throw and keep the chains moving and the clock ticking. I honestly think at this point Josh will never get us over the hump because of either his inability to see plays like that or unwillingness to take the easy dump off even at crunch time. 

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Bullspit. Brady always had a kicker who would make the kick to tie the game and then a defense that would stop the opposing offense from winning.

 

Brady was great but stop recreating history to praise him more than he deserves. He was great...and he was also extremely lucky.

 

So far Allen is extremely unlucky.

 

That's life.