So we're firing McD, right?

[Low Positive]

4 minutes ago, Chugga said:

BUT THEY DID IT.  That’s the whole point.  They moved on from a coach who had gotten them to a superbowl and 4 championship games because they felt they hit a wall.

 

But here we are hitting the same wall EVERY year and we are trying to talk ourselves out of the wall existing 

That was a complete rebuild. They had McNabb and TO. Then they didn't You wanna move on from Josh?

[Heavy Kevi]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

Congratulations Sean McDermott on breaking yet another NFL record in a loss. Something similar happened in the Eagles game if I recall correctly. Our head coach finds new and exciting ways to lose games.

 

It's not McDs fault haven't you heard?

 

There were inuries and the D made 2 stops, so McD is in the clear

[Chugga]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

That was a complete rebuild. They had McNabb and TO. Then they didn't You wanna move on from Josh?

You’re missing an entire era of Vick, McCoy, and Jackson that Andy Reid oversaw.  Chip Kelly did the tear down.  Andy Reid had as Vince Young would call it….a dream team

Edited January 22 by Chugga

[Gunsgoodtime]

At some point even the McD lovers (im not a hater) have to own up.   Seriously 0-÷ against the Chiefs in the playoffs?  Seriously?

Just now, Gunsgoodtime said:

At some point even the McD lovers (im not a hater) have to own up.   Seriously 0-÷ against the Chiefs in the playoffs?  Seriously?

0-3, 4, 5.  Get rid of the coaches 

[Billever76]

23 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This is the problem though. 
 

Allen was pretty much perfect all game. 
 

He made one mistake going for the jugular, bad decision and he couldn’t get the throw there. 
 

One mistake from him in an otherwise flawless game and we can’t overcome it.  
 

Coaches can’t help him out.. players don’t pick him up..

 

Yet Mahomes misses guys open in the end zone twice on the same drive and they fumble the ball out of the end zone …. And win. 

It's the methodical ball control mcd offense...it's forces allen and the offense to be absolutely perfect or they end up wasting allot of time and come up empty...this offense approach effectively limits the possessions of its best player to keep the defense closers fresh to never close out a game

[Mikie2times]

Wild Card Champs

[Avisan]

1 minute ago, Billever76 said:

It's the methodical ball control mcd offense...it's forces allen and the offense to be absolutely perfect or they end up wasting allot of time and come up empty...this offense approach effectively limits the possessions of its best player to keep the defense closers fresh to never close out a game

The Cover 2 shell came back into vogue because the current top QBs won't punish you for it.  The methodical ball control offense WORKS.  It wrecks the Cover 2 shell.  Slowly, but surely.  It worked all game.  We screwed ourselves on the final drive by gunning for the endzone instead.  If we had kept with that offense, we likely win the game.  Putting up 31 on that Chiefs D would have been an amazing feat, and that ball control offense would have done it.  We watched the Patriots pull it off year after year in that exact fashion, much to our despair.

[Chugga]

2 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

It's the methodical ball control mcd offense...it's forces allen and the offense to be absolutely perfect or they end up wasting allot of time and come up empty...this offense approach effectively limits the possessions of its best player to keep the defense closers fresh to never close out a game

Exactly it doesn’t let your QB have a killer instinct.  It applies ALL of the pressure onto Allen.  Instead of trying a 9 minute drive to end the game the Bills should have been playing for the lead and if you’ve got a defensive coach you get that lead then get a defensive stop then you let your all world QB place the dagger.  But the whole game ended up condensing itself down to a single drive where any misstep basically ended up in us losing the game.

[Avisan]

1 minute ago, Chugga said:

Exactly it doesn’t let your QB have a killer instinct.  It applies ALL of the pressure onto Allen.  Instead of trying a 9 minute drive to end the game the Bills should have been playing for the lead and if you’ve got a defensive coach you get that lead then get a defensive stop then you let your all world QB place the dagger.  But the whole game ended up condensing itself down to a single drive where any misstep basically ended up in us losing the game.

This is nonsense.  Did Brady not have a killer instinct because he killed you 6-7 yards at a time?

[Billever76]

2 minutes ago, Chugga said:

Exactly it doesn’t let your QB have a killer instinct.  It applies ALL of the pressure onto Allen.  Instead of trying a 9 minute drive to end the game the Bills should have been playing for the lead and if you’ve got a defensive coach you get that lead then get a defensive stop then you let your all world QB place the dagger.  But the whole game ended up condensing itself down to a single drive where any misstep basically ended up in us losing the game.

It's how every post season loss plays out with McDermott.....it's insanity

Just now, Avisan said:

This is nonsense.  Did Brady not have a killer instinct because he killed you 6-7 yards at a time?

What's nonsense is taking allen and putting him into an offense philosophy catered to a brady,tua,burrow qb ...that's like having a brady,burrow or tua offense and making those players play in a read option rpo offense.....McDermott isn't the right coach for our qb....our offense has been slowed down per our hc wishes

Edited January 22 by Billever76

[Avisan]

3 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

What's nonsense is taking allen and putting him into an offense philosophy catered to a brady,tua,burrow qb ...that's like having a brady,burrow or tua offense and making those players play in a read option rpo offense.....McDermott isn't the right coach for our qb....our offense has been slowed down per our hc wishes

You didn't answer the question.

 

Did Brady not have a killer instinct because he killed you 6-7 yards at a time?

[Governor]

18 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

At some point even the McD lovers (im not a hater) have to own up.   Seriously 0-÷ against the Chiefs in the playoffs?  Seriously?

0-3, 4, 5.  Get rid of the coaches 

It isn’t just the Chiefs. He can’t beat the Bengals either. He’s the redheaded stepchild to all of the main contenders.

[Billever76]

Just now, Avisan said:

You didn't answer the question.

 

Did Brady not have a killer instinct because he killed you 6-7 yards at a time?

Brady had a hc who understood what system was the best for his skill set....no brady wouldn't have won running a read option offense and allen didn't win running a dink and dunk ball control conservative offense

[LarryMadman]

37 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

He’s not going to get fired unless next year is the same result.

 

he deserves another chance for seeing the mistake Dorsey was and firing him. he and joe finally developed a run game.

 

he deserves one more year with a slightly different core. After all, the players have to make the plays at the end of the day. 

Nah, McDummie has had enough chances and has failed at every one. Enough is enough, no more chances!

32 minutes ago, Governor said:

Brady should leave right now if he can. This ship is sinking.

Brady is not the problem.

[Avisan]

1 minute ago, Billever76 said:

Brady had a hc who understood what system was the best for his skill set....no brady wouldn't have won running a read option offense and allen didn't win running a dink and dunk ball control conservative offense

He almost did.  Then it was abandoned after the two-minute warning.

 

If Allen learned how to dink and dunk, and then punish defenses for dropping out of the Cover 2 shell to stop it he's be more or less unstoppable.  He was nearly unstoppable THIS game despite receiver drops, low overall yards/attempt, etc.  31 points on this Chiefs D despite no help in the field position department would have been an absurd feat.

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, Avisan said:

He almost did.  Then it was abandoned after the two-minute warning.

 

If Allen learned how to dink and dunk, and then punish defenses for dropping out of the Cover 2 shell to stop it he's be more or less unstoppable.  He was nearly unstoppable THIS game despite receiver drops, low overall yards/attempt, etc.  31 points on this Chiefs D despite no help in the field position department would have been an absurd feat.

And then KC would’ve scored 3 plays later. You still need a defense to win a championship and we don’t have a quality DC, scheme, or players. It doesn’t matter what style of offense we have.

Edited January 22 by Governor

[Heavy Kevi]

1 minute ago, Avisan said:

He almost did.  Then it was abandoned after the two-minute warning.

 

If Allen learned how to dink and dunk, and then punish defenses for dropping out of the Cover 2 shell to stop it he's be more or less unstoppable.  He was nearly unstoppable THIS game despite receiver drops, low overall yards/attempt, etc.  31 points on this Chiefs D despite no help in the field position department would have been an absurd feat.

 

But when you make a monster truck run a slalom, it's eventually gonna hit a few flags

 

 

[Avisan]

Just now, Governor said:

And then KC would’ve scored 3 plays later.

That's the whole point of getting the TD with < 1 min on the clock and no KC timeouts.  That is MUCH harder to pull off than 13 seconds.

[LarryMadman]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

It isn’t just the Chiefs. He can’t beat the Bengals either. He’s the redheaded stepchild to all of the main contenders.

Can't beat Jags or Houston, win in OT or beat a top 4 seed in playoffs, 0-6 so far. Time to kick McDummie to the curb.

[gobills404]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I was anti mcdermott but have changed my tune.  He grew a lot as a coach the last 2 months.  We fought our asses off tonight.  

Good lord he’s been a head coach for 7 effing years. The majority of an entire DECADE. The “he’s still growing/improving as a coach” excuse has been long expired.

[DapperCam]

Asking Allen to dink and dunk down the field for 8 minute drives, just so your sieve defense doesn’t get exposed is lunacy.

 

Is that what “complementary football” is?

[Governor]

Just now, DapperCam said:

Asking Allen to dink and dunk down the field for 8 minute drives, just so your sieve defense doesn’t get exposed is lunacy.

 

Is that what “complementary football” is?

It’s absolutely ridiculous what he’s being asked to do to mask an incompetent defensive coach.

[Gunsgoodtime]

14 minutes ago, Governor said:

It isn’t just the Chiefs. He can’t beat the Bengals either. He’s the redheaded stepchild to all of the main contenders.

The last remaining piece 

[Chugga]

17 minutes ago, Avisan said:

This is nonsense.  Did Brady not have a killer instinct because he killed you 6-7 yards at a time?

Bill Belicheck let Tom Brady be Tom Brady and he surely had killer instinct.  McDermott wants to force our world class QB into a box “because that’s how you win in this league” despite us watching everyone else win in the playoffs in other ways.  With 10 minutes in the NFL is an eternity.  Yet with 10 minutes left in the 4th we decided we were either going to put it all on one drive.  No pressure or anything.

 

As an FYI Brady would have taken what you gave him.  Whether that was scoring with 8 minutes left or with 4.  Because he trusted his coach and his defense.

[Gunsgoodtime]

17 minutes ago, Governor said:

It isn’t just the Chiefs. He can’t beat the Bengals either. He’s the redheaded stepchild to all of the main contenders.

The Bengals loss was like a guaranteed ass whipping, and they delivered.  I'm personally done with the Mcd experiment.  I know he will be back next year, bit that don't mean he should be

[Gunsgoodtime]

How is this ship sailing?  Josh Allen is not Benjamin Button, get the Defensive coach out of Buffalo.

9 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

The Bengals loss was like a guaranteed ass whipping, and they delivered.  I'm personally done with the Mcd experiment.  I know he will be back next year, bit that don't mean he should be

Will be right back for another Mcd ass whipping 

[chongli]

 

 

[longtimebillsfan]

3 hours ago, Jerboski said:

Why are they morons? Sean continues to lose big playoff games, he wasn’t great for half of this season as well…. What are we talking about here?

By your standards, every coach that did not advance their team to the conference championship should be fired.

 

This loss sucks.  I am as sick of losing to that punk Mahomes in the playoffs just like all of the Bills Mafia.  I just believe that McDermott is one of the best head coaches in our team's history.

 

It is absurd to call for the head coach to be fired after every loss.

 

What makes you think we will find a better coach if we do replace McDermott?

 

McDermott has us in the playoffs consistently.  The Bills are in the national spotlight.  And they are considered one of the top teams in the NFL each year.

 

You ignore all the successes McDermott has had with his time in Buffalo.

 

The Bills are not firing McDermott after this season.  With all the defensive injuries he has had to deal with, and beating several playoff teams during their 6 game winning streak.   This may be his best coaching season.

 

Also, name me a team that consistently beats the Chiefs in the playoffs?  There isn't one.  So why hold McDermott to an unrealistic standard?

 

Please accept that McDermott is not going anywhere.  He is not the problem.  

 

 

[SCBills]

Spags has a leaky run defense. 
 

Lost his best run stuffing DT last week. 
 

Lost Willie Gay mid-game. 
 

Lost a Safety mid-game. 
 

Found a way to adjust and make life, somewhat, difficult for Josh.. especially given our WR situation outside Shakir.  
 

So, believe it or not.. it can be done, even with injuries. 
 

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

 

take out the kneeldowns and it was 8.46yards/play

 

which is absolutely bonkers considering that is not a great offense

[Governor]

1 hour ago, Avisan said:

That's the whole point of getting the TD with < 1 min on the clock and no KC timeouts.  That is MUCH harder to pull off than 13 seconds.

They had totally stuffed our run by that point. We had no options to run out that much clock. That’s extremely naive and unrealistic to expect that from an offense. 
 

You see an opening to score, you take it. Good teams have defenses that can hold. We do not, not even when healthy.

 

We basically practiced those clock killing drives all season long and were incapable of doing it, even in the Steelers game. Your offense should not also have to be your defense.

 

Why was McD fixated on practicing long drives to end games? 
 

Because HIS defense sucks.

Edited January 22 by Governor

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

take out the kneeldowns and it was 8.46yards/play

 

which is absolutely bonkers considering that is not a great offense

 

Chiefs offense averaged 5.5 yards per play in the regular season. So we spotted them an extra 3 yards for every play they ran... That is actually insane.

 

Another classic McDermott defensive meltdown in the playoffs.

[Bill51390]

8 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

 

If anyone thought this defense was going to play well or even decent against the Chiefs with AJ Klein and Dodson starting as your LBers, and a severely injured secondary you’re smoking crack. It was pretty clear before the game that the Bills would pretty much need to get points every drive in order to win this game. And Josh Allen almost willed them to victory, he was absolutely lights out this game. But you can’t put this loss on McDermott. Losing is always tough, especially heartbreakers like this in the playoffs. But I truly believe McDermott improved throughout this whole season and would feel confident with him going into next year. 

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chiefs offense averaged 5.5 yards per play in the regular season. So we spotted them an extra 3 yards for every play they ran... That is actually insane.

 

Another classic McDermott defensive meltdown in the playoffs.

the Dolphins defense missing half their starting lineup and barely wanting to tackle in the first quarter held the Chiefs offense to 5.5 yards/play last week

[Gunsgoodtime]

0-3 against the Chiefs in the playoffs, including a home game.  I would say it's safe to say he isn't win is a Lombardi .  If you can't win with Josh Allen then you can't win

[Bill51390]

The lack of knowledge of football by the average fan is astounding. 

[Blazman11]

1 hour ago, Avisan said:

He almost did.  Then it was abandoned after the two-minute warning.

 

If Allen learned how to dink and dunk, and then punish defenses for dropping out of the Cover 2 shell to stop it he's be more or less unstoppable.  He was nearly unstoppable THIS game despite receiver drops, low overall yards/attempt, etc.  31 points on this Chiefs D despite no help in the field position department would have been an absurd feat.

 

Dude just stop.  You look like a complete idiot.  The end zone play was there.  It wasn't reckless, it wasn't a stupid decision, it was the right decision.  Allen got hit as he was throwing and couldn't put it where he wanted.  The receiver was wide open in the end zone.

 

If Allen throws it to Diggs and we still don't score on the drive I'm sure you would be the first person here saying Allen should have thrown the ball in the end zone when the play was there.  You should be wondering why we were at best playing for OT and most likely would have lost anyways in regulation.  There were still 2 more downs to pick up 8 yards.  Or why we constantly ran into the line on first down banging our heads into a brick wall when they were ripe for play action.  Or giving McDermott everything he wants on D to come up short again.  McDermott had the game he creams his boxers over - 186 yards rushing and dominating in time of possession.  And he still lost.  

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

the Dolphins defense missing half their starting lineup and barely wanting to tackle in the first quarter held the Chiefs offense to 5.5 yards/play last week

 

Get this - in our 2021 divisional loss to the Chiefs they had 7.6 yards per play.

 

So our defensive performance tonight was arguably worse than when they had Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce in their prime.

 

Yeah we're never winning anything meaningful under McDermott.

[Blazman11]

26 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

By your standards, every coach that did not advance their team to the conference championship should be fired.

 

This loss sucks.  I am as sick of losing to that punk Mahomes in the playoffs just like all of the Bills Mafia.  I just believe that McDermott is one of the best head coaches in our team's history.

 

It is absurd to call for the head coach to be fired after every loss.

 

What makes you think we will find a better coach if we do replace McDermott?

 

McDermott has us in the playoffs consistently.  The Bills are in the national spotlight.  And they are considered one of the top teams in the NFL each year.

 

You ignore all the successes McDermott has had with his time in Buffalo.

 

The Bills are not firing McDermott after this season.  With all the defensive injuries he has had to deal with, and beating several playoff teams during their 6 game winning streak.   This may be his best coaching season.

 

Also, name me a team that consistently beats the Chiefs in the playoffs?  There isn't one.  So why hold McDermott to an unrealistic standard?

 

Please accept that McDermott is not going anywhere.  He is not the problem.  

 

 

 

A ham sandwich can coach this team into the playoffs with Allen at QB.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Get this - in our 2021 divisional loss to the Chiefs they had 7.6 yards per play.

 

So our defensive performance tonight was arguably worse than when they had Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce in their prime.

 

Yeah we're never winning anything meaningful under McDermott.

 

I just checked. The 32nd ranked defense in yards per play this year was at 6.0... So our performance tonight was 2.5 yards per play worse than the worst defense in the league...

 

I'm actually in awe at how bad the defense was tonight. I knew it was awful watching it live, but seeing the numbers it's almost impossibly bad.