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Roundybout Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 7 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Anti illegal immigration, not anti immigrant, my god u are dense. Oh no, they’re exactly who I thought they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Oh no, they’re exactly who I thought they were. How the ***** did a prison gang show up?? Aren't they in prison? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: How the ***** did a prison gang show up?? Aren't they in prison? https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/white-knights https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-vcrs/gallery/prison-gangs “Prison gangs are also self-perpetuating criminal entities that can continue their operations outside the confines of the penal system. ” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Meanwhile back at the poorly written "Border Bill" The Democrats thought it was a brilliant idea to package aid for Ukraine and Israel together and shoehorn it into the Biden border cover protection bill under the rubric of “emergency national security appropriations.” Now that the border/illegal immigration provisions are dying, the White House has threatened to veto a standalone bill providing aid to Israel. The House will vote on the standalone bill today. Its prospects are uncertain. Seeking to exert pressure on multiple fronts, the White House has let it be known: President Biden threatened to veto a standalone $17.6 billion Israel aid package being considered by the House, dismissing it as a “cynical political maneuver” by Republicans looking to scuttle the Senate’s wider national security bill. While not wholly unexpected, the statement was still somewhat remarkable given Biden’s public commitment to backing Israel as it wages a war against Hamas (it’s unclear whether the position could shift in the future if the Senate’s package collapses). House Speaker Mike Johnson called it an “act of betrayal.” The Johnson quote suggests that the prospects of his standalone bill are poor. By the same token, I’m guessing that the White House plays a weak hand poorly. The veto threat won’t force the illegal immigration provisions of the “emergency” appropriations bill down anyone’s throat. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/a-border-bill-footnote.php 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 28 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Terrifying stuff. One would think that such terrifying stuff would have found its way into mainstream news. Most outlets usually enjoy running hard with this sort of thing. Not telling you not to be terrified though. Be vigilant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Most of the provisions in the bill are so loophole-riddled they are worse than irrelevant. One provision allows administration officers to grant asylum without any oversight from judges, who (at least, theoretically) use a set of criteria to adjudicate these cases. “Asylum” might have been stripped of any real meaning, as well, but it’s a mystery why James Lankford wants to hand Alejandro Mayorkas more autonomy on this front. Or any front. (Again, can you imagine Democrats signing onto a bill that handed Chad Wolf more discretion over asylum cases?) Then again, if there are any legal fights over the implementation of the law, Democrats have cherry-picked the court that will adjudicate. No, not the Fifth Circuit, which inconveniently sits on the border, but the left-wing D.C. District Court will have exclusive authority over “written policy directive, written policy guideline, written procedure” and their implementation. Meanwhile, Democrats are acting as if they’ve made some giant, historic concession even deigning to address the crisis. But where is the compromise? They’ve rigged the bill, making it so malleable that Biden can basically interpret and implement its provisions in any fashion he chooses. https://thefederalist.com/2024/02/06/nothing-about-the-rigged-senate-border-bill-is-in-the-national-interest/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: There's a major disconnect on the objective. The Biden administrations wants to support, assist, and continue the flow of migrants across the border while most Americans want it stopped ASAP. From my understanding, it would shut the border in 7 days after the infrastructure is in place. They would easily have an average of 5k encounters in the first week, and then shutdown is automatic. I really don't see how anyone can think it's better not to pass it, because you're ALWAYS going to have politics, so the silver bullet will never exist. Also, if Ukraine loses, all the cash we already spent is wasted, but it does need to be accounted for, along with the long-term strategy there. Not even sure why Israel is getting so much, because you can only bomb the rubble so many times, and they need to explain their long-term strategy as well, if we're going to keep sending them arms and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 28 minutes ago, B-Man said: Most of the provisions in the bill are so loophole-riddled they are worse than irrelevant. One provision allows administration officers to grant asylum without any oversight from judges, who (at least, theoretically) use a set of criteria to adjudicate these cases. “Asylum” might have been stripped of any real meaning, as well, but it’s a mystery why James Lankford wants to hand Alejandro Mayorkas more autonomy on this front. Or any front. (Again, can you imagine Democrats signing onto a bill that handed Chad Wolf more discretion over asylum cases?) Then again, if there are any legal fights over the implementation of the law, Democrats have cherry-picked the court that will adjudicate. No, not the Fifth Circuit, which inconveniently sits on the border, but the left-wing D.C. District Court will have exclusive authority over “written policy directive, written policy guideline, written procedure” and their implementation. Meanwhile, Democrats are acting as if they’ve made some giant, historic concession even deigning to address the crisis. But where is the compromise? They’ve rigged the bill, making it so malleable that Biden can basically interpret and implement its provisions in any fashion he chooses. https://thefederalist.com/2024/02/06/nothing-about-the-rigged-senate-border-bill-is-in-the-national-interest/ If this clown had any objectivity, and his readers any brains, he'd address the issue of having like 2 million cases backlogged with like a 5 year wait period. I'm not saying this is the best scenario, but in politics you're NEVER getting the whole cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JDHillFan Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 The Roundy’s and Tiberius’ of the world want to be gaslit. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unforgiven Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 The invasion is over! They have won ! Are you ######s happy now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, daz28 said: Not even sure why Israel is getting so much, because you can only bomb the rubble so many times, and they need to explain their long-term strategy as well, if we're going to keep sending them arms and money. Their long term strategy has been explained. They are going to get rid of Hamas' control of Gaza, so they can no longer rape, murder, torture and grab hostages. Beyond that, they are going to defend themselves. If you think they are doing nothing but "bombing the rubble, " I don't think you have a grasp of the operation/action, but that is just my view. The Israelis don't do that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 13 hours ago, Roundybout said: No, 3) it's a ***** deal. The only support of it is "well, it's better than nothing." No, no it's not. 7 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Anti illegal immigration, not anti immigrant, my god u are dense. They like to conflate, thinking everyone is as simple as they are. 6 hours ago, B-Man said: Meanwhile back at the poorly written "Border Bill" The Democrats thought it was a brilliant idea to package aid for Ukraine and Israel together and shoehorn it into the Biden border cover protection bill under the rubric of “emergency national security appropriations.” Now that the border/illegal immigration provisions are dying, the White House has threatened to veto a standalone bill providing aid to Israel. The House will vote on the standalone bill today. Its prospects are uncertain. Seeking to exert pressure on multiple fronts, the White House has let it be known: President Biden threatened to veto a standalone $17.6 billion Israel aid package being considered by the House, dismissing it as a “cynical political maneuver” by Republicans looking to scuttle the Senate’s wider national security bill. While not wholly unexpected, the statement was still somewhat remarkable given Biden’s public commitment to backing Israel as it wages a war against Hamas (it’s unclear whether the position could shift in the future if the Senate’s package collapses). House Speaker Mike Johnson called it an “act of betrayal.” The Johnson quote suggests that the prospects of his standalone bill are poor. By the same token, I’m guessing that the White House plays a weak hand poorly. The veto threat won’t force the illegal immigration provisions of the “emergency” appropriations bill down anyone’s throat. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/a-border-bill-footnote.php Please veto the standalone Israel aid bill, Joke. Then your failure will be complete. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 4 hours ago, sherpa said: Their long term strategy has been explained. They are going to get rid of Hamas' control of Gaza, so they can no longer rape, murder, torture and grab hostages. Beyond that, they are going to defend themselves. If you think they are doing nothing but "bombing the rubble, " I don't think you have a grasp of the operation/action, but that is just my view. The Israelis don't do that. I'm speaking of the strategic plan, and the political endgame. War isn't just, "kill them and defend ourselves". It's a little more complicated. If you think getting rid of Hamas means Middle East peace, then you don't know your history. 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Please veto the standalone Israel aid bill, Joke. Then your failure will be complete. Yeah, send the money we could use to shut down the border over to Israel, alienate our Ukraine coalition, and keep complaining about the border, because you prefer the problem to be ever present for political reasons. Brilliant! Now go ahead and parrot all the crap they've been filling your head with about the bill, while not understanding what it actually does. Heil Trump! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 6 hours ago, daz28 said: I'm speaking of the strategic plan, and the political endgame. War isn't just, "kill them and defend ourselves". It's a little more complicated. If you think getting rid of Hamas means Middle East peace, then you don't know your history. I am very familiar with the history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tommy Callahan Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 The Uniparty doesn't represent the will of the people but the statist supports it at all turns And the left wonders why sane people are not interested in establishment GOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 29 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: The Uniparty doesn't represent the will of the people but the statist supports it at all turns And the left wonders why sane people are not interested in establishment GOP. And a majority of Americans can’t stand MAGA and all your faux generated non stop drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Btw. He trafficked the phoenixes from South America when they were kids. He was and is probably still part of the family of God cult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 What pac. What think tank? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just now, BillStime said: If he desired, Biden could simply issue a Presidential executive order declaring a state of emergency and shut the border down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: If he desired, Biden could simply issue a Presidential executive order declaring a state of emergency and shut the border down. He could and he should but you would still bich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 hours ago, BillStime said: He could and he should but you would still bich. If Biden actually did something constructive regarding the border chaos it would be both shocking and a refreshing change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 4 hours ago, BillStime said: He could and he should but you would still bich. Why isn't he then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 24 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Why isn't he then? The same reason Trump couldn’t - he can’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 38 minutes ago, BillStime said: The same reason Trump couldn’t - he can’t. Wrong…the data is clear… When Trump was prez, the number of illegals was 4 times lower…Nothing is ever full proof, but it was better… Then Biden came in on day 1, issued several executive orders, dismantling what Trump did on the border (stopping the wall, ending “stay in Mexico” policy, ending the agreement to have Mexican troops on the border- just to name a few)…and…tug-dah! Border crisis… So it’s really not comparable to what Trump did- Not to mention Biden is currently trying to send agents to Texas to cut the fence, so more can get in…🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, he reeeeeeeally cares about border security…please tell me you’re not that gullible… So, let’s not be disingenuous about what’s happening…you know full well Biden wants the illegal migrants for future votes….👍 Edited February 7 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 49 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Wrong…the data is clear… When Trump was prez, the number of illegals was 4 times lower…Nothing is ever full proof, but it was better… Then Biden came in on day 1, issued several executive orders, dismantling what Trump did on the border (stopping the wall, ending “stay in Mexico” policy, ending the agreement to have Mexican troops on the border- just to name a few)…and…tug-dah! Border crisis… So it’s really not comparable to what Trump did- Not to mention Biden is currently trying to send agents to Texas to cut the fence, so more can get in…🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, he reeeeeeeally cares about border security…please tell me you’re not that gullible… So, let’s not be disingenuous about what’s happening…you know full well Biden wants the illegal migrants for future votes….👍 Hoax And no - Biden nor Trump can CLOSE the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 52 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Wrong…the data is clear… When Trump was prez, the number of illegals was 4 times lower…Nothing is ever full proof, but it was better… Then Biden came in on day 1, issued several executive orders, dismantling what Trump did on the border (stopping the wall, ending “stay in Mexico” policy, ending the agreement to have Mexican troops on the border- just to name a few)…and…tug-dah! Border crisis… So it’s really not comparable to what Trump did- Not to mention Biden is currently trying to send agents to Texas to cut the fence, so more can get in…🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, he reeeeeeeally cares about border security…please tell me you’re not that gullible… So, let’s not be disingenuous about what’s happening…you know full well Biden wants the illegal migrants for future votes….👍 This. Trump had policies to reduce illegal immigration and people knew there wasn't an open border. They literally now tell people that there's an open border, where to enter, how to get there all the free stuff you'll get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 8 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: What pac. What think tank? The ONLY people against the bill are the ultra maggats. Look into who's endorsing it, then compare their intellect to MTG and friends. Let's let a tantric athletic trainer, a farmer, a gym teacher, and a guy who has porn alerts sent to his son ru(i)n our country. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, BillStime said: Hoax And no - Biden nor Trump can CLOSE the border. I never said anything about “closing the border”…I said Trump was BETTER…😉 Your deflections only prove that you KNOW Biden cannot be defended on this issue… #winning Edited February 8 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, BillStime said: Hoax And no - Biden nor Trump can CLOSE the border. But Texas can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, Doc said: This. Trump had policies to reduce illegal immigration and people knew there wasn't an open border. They literally now tell people that there's an open border, where to enter, how to get there all the free stuff you'll get. Trump had policies that reduced LEGAL immigration - he couldn’t control illegal immigration on that porous border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Trump had policies that reduced LEGAL immigration - he couldn’t control illegal immigration on that porous border. If that's your claim that Trump couldn't control illegal immigration, how's Biden doing? A complete dumpster fire you would agree no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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