Royale with Cheese Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Ray Stonada said: Being on a football team like being in a band can easily lead to these issues. I think it’s cool NFL players now try to deal with them openly and are less afraid of being stigmatized for trying to improve. Back in the 90s I used to see some of the Bills out and about on Elmwood or Chippewa and they had often had over ten drinks, by the looks of it. No judgment as I have been there. I grew up in Buffalo! They have to blow off steam somehow with all the pressure and intensity of the job, but that can get out of control quickly. Let’s applaud those like Poyer and Von who are open about needing help. It could help untold Bills fans with similar issues try to get help. I watched a Mickey Mantle interview years ago and the fans contributed to his addiction. People when they saw him out wanted to buy him a drink. This was all the time. Eventually, he became fully dependent on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 hours ago, Ramza86 said: I have no pity for a guy who has everything he has and cant get it right. Simple as. You just don’t get addiction. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) So do we have to update the thread title daily? 170...171....172... Edited January 11 by PromoTheRobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 For those that want to know, 169 days ago was July 26th 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfronts Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 proof or it did not happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 28 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: So do we have to update the thread title daily? 170...171....172... It depends whether Von will drink or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saundena Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 hours ago, Ramza86 said: I have no pity for a guy who has everything he has and cant get it right. Simple as. It's a disease 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 7 minutes ago, saundena said: It's a disease It’s a semantics argument, I’d say it’s a habit. It’s nurture more than nature. Not saying it’s not a serious problem. It’s in the same category as obesity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, saundena said: It's a disease Like epilepsy? Does that mean epileptics should quit having epilepsy and avoid relapses and they can just not have seizers? No, no one actually thinks that. It's not the same as a disease, is it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saundena Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 minutes ago, colin said: Like epilepsy? Does that mean epileptics should quit having epilepsy and avoid relapses and they can just not have seizers? No, no one actually thinks that. It's not the same as a disease, is it? It's recognized as a disease by doctors, governmental bodies, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Good for him. I hope he keeps it up as I hope he learns to control his anger issues and get healthy on the field again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 hours ago, Ramza86 said: I have no pity for a guy who has everything he has and cant get it right. Simple as. This is the stupidest comment I have read here in a while, and there are plenty of stupid comments here. Good job. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 hours ago, scuba guy said: I have to friends and a cousin who are all counselors. Not an easy task to get over once you are an addic you will always be one they lie all the time. That is why they always go to meetings 🙄. Good for him They go to meeting to lie? What a novel concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 hours ago, Ramza86 said: I have no pity for a guy who has everything he has and cant get it right. Simple as. Let's give you 150 Million Dollars and record your life for a few years shall we?!?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Let's give you 150 Million Dollars and record your life for a few years shall we?!?!?!?! Yes please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 13 minutes ago, SoMAn said: They go to meeting to lie? What a novel concept. Well addicts say alot and talk the talk just to make it look good for there family and friends. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 41 minutes ago, saundena said: It's recognized as a disease by doctors, governmental bodies, etc. so have many other things that are no longer recognized as such by the same people. a political organization making a political action doesn't change reality no matter how hard they try. if you really want to do something, but know it's not good for you so you stop, that doesn't fit any reasonable definition of disease. the argument that they simply cannot stop is questionable. long and large enough abuse of some substances (alcohol, opiates) can lead to an actual disease whereby if the addict were to just stop cold turkey they have severe health consequences, including potentially death. in (and at least some have been replicated so there is at least a bit of validity to them) studies of intertemporal preferences of drug addicts (meaning straight up threw their life away and are homeless) drug addicts demonstrate rational behavior where they will forgo a portion of narcotics to which they are addicted today for a larger portion tomorrow (and various other time periods). this shows self interested rationality. no one who is lactose intolerant will "tolerate" lactose for some kind of reward, nor will our epileptic hold off on seizures for some kind of pay off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenDaBomb Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I'm a mental health professional and addiction specialist who works with people with substance use disorders on a daily basis. It is well established by science that addiction fits into a disease framework, as it causes observable changes to several parts of the brain (e.g the prefrontal cortex and mesodopamine limbic system) that impacts judgment, impulse control and basic survival drives. If you care to do a little research, this is one resource I provide to my patients to help educate, and I have plenty others (just ask) https://www.recoveryanswers.org/recovery-101/brain-in-recovery/ 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 57 minutes ago, saundena said: It's recognized as a disease by doctors, governmental bodies, etc. Once substance use/abuse changes the brain chemistry to the point that there is chronic brain disorder then the medical community classifies addiction as a disease. At that point the medical realities are physical and in the same realm as other diseases so they must be addressed as such. But I think that the reason people often take issue with that classification is because a person's choices are (generally speaking) what leads them down the path where they get to that point. It isn't difficult to understand that someone who was born with or watched a loved one suffer/die from something like Cystic Fibrosis or cancer (despite living a healthy lifestyle) would take issue being classified the same as someone who chose to drink heavily until they got to a point of alcohol addiction. It isn't the same situation. Not remotely. That doesn't mean that one should not have sympathy for addicts, that they shouldn't be supportive or that addicts deserve to be mocked. I'm not saying that at all. But let's not pretend there are no differences in the process either. Edited January 11 by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 6 hours ago, muppy said: it doesn't say why 169 was significant. Other than that is an achievement in itself. And deciding to announce it publicly is a step not everyone takes. Keep it going Von. I don't know what else to say. Most people who successfully battle addiction come public with it.. look at Von Miller and Poyer. It's their way of holding themselves accountable. If they backslide, they're letting everyone in their corner down. It adds pressure to stay sober. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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