Nextmanup Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 He probably is playing for his career. I doubt the job is his already. Who knows, they may know right now he will NOT be the permanent OC....but you would think everything he does is getting judged. Just remember, he is working with another guy's offense and can't really do his own thing in the middle of the season. So he is calling plays with one arm tied behind his back. I hope they scour the entire NFL looking for a replacement; I'm sure we can find someone better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: This is just completely off the reservation lol What's off the reservation is merely saying "complimentary football" while ignoring any details or supporting it in any way. It's difficult to have a rational conversation that way and just throwing cliched terms out there leaves people to have to guess what you're attempting to say. Just sayin'. Either way, who cares. If you believe all that, then great. We should be fine for a Championship. If not, many if not most will strongly be "suggesting" some changes. LOL This really isn't that important. Point are points and other metrics are other metrics. If everything is boiled down to simply wins, great, but let's maintain that standard then from now on out until the season's over. It should be tremendously concerning however that Diggs, in his prime, has averaged 38 yards per game under Brady, and only one TD. Edited January 1 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, dma0034 said: I want nothing to do with Lane Kiffen. I don't care if he is an Offensive guru he's a clown Yeah I know we have a few still-bitter Tennessee fans here............but Pete Carroll was a clown too when he was a young HC with the Jets.........and he went on to win titles in CFB and the NFL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah I know we have a few still-bitter Tennessee fans here............but Pete Carroll was a clown too when he was a young HC with the Jets.........and he went on to win titles in CFB and the NFL. He's an interesting choice. Pegula doesn't have the imagination to entertain it, and he's not going to move off McDermott unless he is going to lose Josh Allen by sticking with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 If the Bills want to stick with something like Daboll’s offense, and if Brady doesn’t get the job (which I would hope isn’t a foregone conclusion after the last few weeks), what about Josh McDaniels? We know he sucks as a head coach but he was a damn good OC with the patriots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, whorlnut said: After the eagles game, many (including myself) were satisfied enough to declare Brady the OC next year if McD stays. I think after what we saw under Dorsey, any semblance of an nfl offense was a welcome sight so we may have jumped the gun in what Brady was capable of. Now? Well…this offense is a mess. Allen and the receivers are way off…Diggs is a non factor since Brady took over…we are running Murray up the guy on third and 1 instead of letting our hulking qb dive over the top to move the chains, etc. Could Joe Brady be coaching for his job today this week? I’m not saying he won’t be the guy next year either way, but the job might come open if we lose and miss the playoffs. We have way too much in a franchise qb to be wasting him with ineffective coaching. I’d rather open up the HC position in favor of an offensive mind, but we all know that’s not likely to happen. What say you? Appreciate the thought starter. I think Brady, and all of us, are auditioning day after day after day. I know you get more short term leeway when you have long term excellence. Brady’s not there, of course. So yes, he’s coaching for his job. He’s also interviewing for his next one. He will be for the next several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 32 minutes ago, PBF81 said: What's off the reservation is merely saying "complimentary football" while ignoring any details or supporting it in any way. It's difficult to have a rational conversation that way and just throwing cliched terms out there leaves people to have to guess what you're attempting to say. Just sayin'. Either way, who cares. If you believe all that, then great. We should be fine for a Championship. If not, many if not most will strongly be "suggesting" some changes. LOL This really isn't that important. Point are points and other metrics are other metrics. If everything is boiled down to simply wins, great, but let's maintain that standard then from now on out until the season's over. It should be tremendously concerning however that Diggs, in his prime, has averaged 38 yards per game under Brady, and only one TD. We can keep the same standard. They lost 1 game since switching OC’s. They went from dead in the water to potentially the 2 seed. That’s good. Whats insane is to suggest they are trying to “prop up the defense and make McD look good” and somehow, out of pure luck, that’s also resulted in them WINNING GAMES. Aw gee, that pesky Sean McDermott is at it again, trying to look god and win games. What a bad coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 12 minutes ago, FireChans said: We can keep the same standard. They lost 1 game since switching OC’s. They went from dead in the water to potentially the 2 seed. That’s good. Whats insane is to suggest they are trying to “prop up the defense and make McD look good” and somehow, out of pure luck, that’s also resulted in them WINNING GAMES. Aw gee, that pesky Sean McDermott is at it again, trying to look god and win games. What a bad coach. Well, then define "complimentary football" as you used it, particularly in the context of the discussion at that point, which was diminished offensive production? If you cannot do that, then nothing that you laid out makes much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 The past two games have given me pause about Brady... hate to say it but the play calling is becoming more predictable, Allen is frustrated at times and the points are not materializing as they should be. Some decent calls yesterday but not enough of them. Jury is out and if they can get a bonafide OC I say go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 6 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Well, then define "complimentary football" as you used it, particularly in the context of the discussion at that point, which was diminished offensive production? If you cannot do that, then nothing that you laid out makes much sense. Bills have won time of possession in 5 out of their last 6 games. The only game they didn't, they won anyway (Chargers). They had greater than 10 min lead in ToP in 3/6. Since the Dolphins game (when Dorsey's offense fell off a cliff), they lost the ToP battle by 17 minutes to Jacksonville, by 3 minutes to the Giants, 13 minutes to the Bengals, 15 minutes to the Broncos. And would you look at that, 1-3 in those games. Pesky McD again, he would rather go 5-1 than 1-3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I'm sorry but I have to give Brady props. Sure the passing game isn't lighting it up. Defenses are playing the pass and it's the players more than the scheme that isn't working. That said the fact that he is smart enough to lean on the running game and creating enough offense to score some points and keep our defense from being on the field all game I think is the difference between a Brady win and a Dorsey loss. No offense to Allen (and not that it's all his fault) but if we throw 50 times a game over the last 5 games I'm not sure we win 4 out of 5. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Dorseys season totals are skewed from 3 games of football, I have told you this, but you choose to ignore it. The offense was atrocious in the other 7 games of football played under Dorsey this season. Week 1 and weeks 5 through his firing the offense was bad and averaged under 20 ppg. I don't care about 3 games weeks 2-4 against bad defenses and mostly bad teams. I care about the BULK of the season where the offense averaged less than 20 PPG and was 2-5 in those 7 games and had us out of the playoffs. You want to play make believe and pretend his "season total averages" are the real offense, then go ahead. But those numbers did NOT reflect at all how the team was really playing for 6 straight weeks as it played itself out of the playoffs until he was fired and the offense majorly improved to 28 PPG against harder defenses and the toughest part of our schedule. There isn't a single fact that can be presented that remotely suggests Dorsey should have kept his job over Brady. The Bills offense finished 2022 averaging 30 points per game over the last 9 games prior to the Bengals playoff loss. But the fan narrative all offseason was that Dorsey sucked. I've said it before, I don't think Dorsey was some special offensive mind and I didn't have any problem firing him to light a fire under the offense with the season spinning out of control...............but Dorsey was plenty capable and contrary to popular belief he had proven a number of times that he could adapt game plans for opponents. Brady hasn't proven to be as good on the whole.........the only improvement that's been consistently effective for him has been using Allen like a RB to extend drives. Again. Like they have every year since 2020 as the regular season has wound down and they chased home field and/or mere playoff qualification. Dorsey could have and would have been using Allen in the same way.........but Dorsey had closed 2022 a lot better than Brady has 2023. Basically, it hasn't been a particularly auspicious debut for Joe Brady as Bills OC. Edited January 1 by BADOLBILZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 33 minutes ago, FireChans said: Bills have won time of possession in 5 out of their last 6 games. The only game they didn't, they won anyway (Chargers). They had greater than 10 min lead in ToP in 3/6. Since the Dolphins game (when Dorsey's offense fell off a cliff), they lost the ToP battle by 17 minutes to Jacksonville, by 3 minutes to the Giants, 13 minutes to the Bengals, 15 minutes to the Broncos. And would you look at that, 1-3 in those games. Pesky McD again, he would rather go 5-1 than 1-3. Feel free to add the required details to actually make that a legitimate argument. Otherwise, so you're implicitly stating that "complimentary football" means a positive time-of-possession then? Be clear here. And otherwise, using simply the Chargers game as an example, with no one on the field offensively for them of any consequence, they managed to hold us to 52 plays, 13 below our average, while we allowed them 65 plays, 5 plays more than our average. We won. So you're insisting that running few plays, what, helped us win? Our time-of-possession in that game was about 27 min. It could also be that we're 5-1 in the last six because three of the teams we played and beat had QBs like Stick, Wilson, and Zappe and are a combined 15-33, on three teams among those with the worst 8 records in the league. Call me crazy. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 4 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Feel free to add the required details to actually make that a legitimate argument. Otherwise, so you're implicitly stating that "complimentary football" means a positive time-of-possession then? Be clear here. And otherwise, using simply the Chargers game as an example, with no one on the field offensively for them of any consequence, they managed to hold us to 52 plays, 13 below our average, while we allowed them 65 plays, 5 plays more than our average. We won. So you're insisting that running few plays, what, helped us win? Our time-of-possession in that game was about 27 min. It could also be that we're 5-1 in the last six because three of the teams we played and beat had QBs like Stick, Wilson, and Zappe and are a combined 15-33, on three teams among those with the worst 8 records in the league. Call me crazy. LOL. We lost to Russ, Wilson and Mac Jones with Kenny boy. Try again. I actually didn't use the Chargers game as an example, because we didn't win the ToP battle in that game. You missed me calling it the exception in your haste to come up with some straw to grasp lmao. Enjoy the ride. #2 seed and McD is coach for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 4 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I would take a look at bienemy if he's let go by the commanders or frank Reich as OC I wouldn't hire Reich. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, Buffalo619 said: No playoffs and McD has to go. No doubt about it. Any chance (if there was any) of a McD firing at season's end was squashed with another double digit win season despite the injuries on defense. Doesn't matter what happens the rest of the way this year. His decision on what to do with the offense going into next year will pry decide his eventual fate. Just now, GunnerBill said: I wouldn't hire Reich. He'd be a great QB coach for Josh if he's desperate for work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: He'd be a great QB coach for Josh if he's desperate for work. Based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I am starting to have the opinion that we have taken the Daboll style offense as far as we can and saw it at it's peak in 2020 when we just were obliterating teams every week it seemed. Maybe we just need to add complimentary pieces back into it to unlock it's potential...we don't really have anyone filling in the John Brown field stretching role at all. That definitely hurts in terms of creating separation and allowing defenses to compress the field somewhat against us. Brown used to be wide open on those comeback routes at least 3-4 times a game. So either we need to upgrade the weapons outside Diggs, although I really like Shakir and what I think will be another big step forward for the Bills in the slot next year, or we need to change offenses to better use what we have because I don't feel we are maximizing the potential of what we currently have offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah I know we have a few still-bitter Tennessee fans here............but Pete Carroll was a clown too when he was a young HC with the Jets.........and he went on to win titles in CFB and the NFL. I have zero college football affiliation and I wouldn't hire Lane Kiffin. I just don't think he has the character to be an NFL Head Coach. I think he understands the Xs and Os well enough. I don't think he understands people well enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Just now, GunnerBill said: Based on what? Oh sure, ask a concise question… yes I have gone down the road of one martini is too few, two is to many, and three is just fine…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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