GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I'm not talking about 50% snaps. I'm talking about 50% ability to move. Got you. He is definitely not as agile as he was last season pre-ACL. I thought he flashed 4th Quarter at Kansas City but he has been invisible this season. Which is frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 I don’t think Von fully recovered and came back too soon. He was so good before the injury. He doesn’t even look like the same player now. You could tell by the tone in McDermott voice at his presser today that something else could be goin on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 He’s probably more upset about it than anyone can imagine. He knows he has no impact but if he can’t bend the knee, there’s no way. It just sucks. But I don’t blame him for an injury, and his overall impact on the team up until that was great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Logic said: A player who suffered an injury while having a good season for the Bills, then worked his ass off to come back early on in the following season, only to discover that -- to absolutely no one's surprise -- it's taking him a while to regain form given his age and the injury he suffered... Should we cut THAT guy some slack? Yes. If his lack of success this season was due to lack of effort? If he was loafing it, or milking his injury, or had a bad attitude, or wasn't generally working as hard as he can to make in impact? Then sure, let him have it. But the way Bills fans rip into this guy as it stands now? WHY?! for what? because he hasn't been effective this year? He's 34 and about a year removed from a torn ACL. What did people really expect? Sports fans can be cruel and fickle and can have an incredibly short memory. That seems to be the case here. Now, all of that speaks only to the vitriol aimed at his ON-FIELD performance. If people want to aim some anger and upset his way for the OFF-FIELD stuff? Then sure. Can't fault them one bit. Not much more to say. Exactly that. 2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I'm not talking about 50% snaps. I'm talking about 50% ability to move. He's hit 50% on every single snap for weeks. Every snap, and way beyond 50%. Hell, I hit 50% of Von's 100%, and I'm no spring chicken. You don't get to be a pro athlete till you get to maybe 85%. The problem is that the difference between 90% and 100% is the difference between NFL average and terrific. That's why it's really hard to tell what will happen, even for doctors who spend all their time on stuff like this. Edited December 28, 2023 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 8 hours ago, KCNC said: He is not producing. According to Sean, you have to earn it. He must mean other players because he is not cutting it. Von is taking veteran rest days every week, so it’s not like he’s earning in practice. Vons tape is garbage. I impact the game from my couch as much as Von does 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Maybe you’re not seeing such an “impact” from him because he’s usually double teamed. which IS actually an impact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 13 hours ago, Logic said: A player who suffered an injury while having a good season for the Bills, then worked his ass off to come back early on in the following season, only to discover that -- to absolutely no one's surprise -- it's taking him a while to regain form given his age and the injury he suffered... Should we cut THAT guy some slack? Yes. If his lack of success this season was due to lack of effort? If he was loafing it, or milking his injury, or had a bad attitude, or wasn't generally working as hard as he can to make in impact? Then sure, let him have it. But the way Bills fans rip into this guy as it stands now? WHY?! for what? because he hasn't been effective this year? He's 34 and about a year removed from a torn ACL. What did people really expect? Sports fans can be cruel and fickle and can have an incredibly short memory. That seems to be the case here. Now, all of that speaks only to the vitriol aimed at his ON-FIELD performance. If people want to aim some anger and upset his way for the OFF-FIELD stuff? Then sure. Can't fault them one bit. i never liked what we signed him for to begin with but got over it because at first it looked worse than reported. the restructure that we absolutey did not have to do - for that i cannot stand him. i've always thought he was a doofus since he came into the league. he approach to vested nfl guys and the way he went lock step with the capping of rookie payscales knowing he was going to get a monster second contract and other players screwed over. the guy has always ground my gears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, boyst said: i never liked what we signed him for to begin with but got over it because at first it looked worse than reported. the restructure that we absolutey did not have to do - for that i cannot stand him. i've always thought he was a doofus since he came into the league. he approach to vested nfl guys and the way he went lock step with the capping of rookie payscales knowing he was going to get a monster second contract and other players screwed over. the guy has always ground my gears. You can’t stand him because our GM decided to restructure his contract which inevitably allowed us to sign Leonard Floyd? 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Yes. Some players can take a full 2 years before they are a 100% There is also a mental aspect to the recovery in players are fearful of re-injuring the knee again. It takes time to get over that fear. Take the case of Ronald Acuna. 1 year after his knee surgery he was a good player. It took 2 full years before he became an MVP 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 14 hours ago, NewEra said: I should probably stay away from this thread knowing how stupid some fans are. Good idea. Some fans are so stupid that they dislike the fact that Miller was strangling his baby momma. Other idiots don't believe in choking their own wives/girlfriends. I can't say that I blame you for becoming so indignant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Good idea. Some fans are so stupid that they dislike the fact that Miller was strangling his baby momma. Other idiots don't believe in choking their own wives/girlfriends. I can't say that I blame you for becoming so indignant. As I’ve said upthread……if you don’t like him for his “alleged” off field action, I can respect that. As I’ve also said upthread- the OPs thread has no mention of the off field stuff. This is injury/perfomance/expectation related- so I’m keeping my conversation there 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I thought he flashed 4th Quarter at Kansas City but he has been invisible this season. Which is frustrating. A street free agent could flash against KC’s tackles. And by street free agent I mean any rando you run into on the street. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, NewEra said: You can’t stand him because our GM decided to restructure his contract which inevitably allowed us to sign Leonard Floyd? 🤷🏻♂️ i think the restructure could have been different or money pulled from somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, boyst said: i think the restructure could have been different or money pulled from somewhere else. Ok…..and you can’t stand him because why? Beane: ”hey von, here’s some cash up front. It’ll allow us to sign more players and is more cash in hand for you!” von: “sounds good” The GM wanted him to restructure….he agreed to something that the GM thought was helping the team….and you can’t stand the player? 🤷🏻♂️ doesn’t make sense to me 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, NewEra said: As I’ve said upthread……if you don’t like him for his “alleged” off field action, I can respect that. As I’ve also said upthread- the OPs thread has no mention of the off field stuff. This is injury/perfomance/expectation related- so I’m keeping my conversation there I get it but imo it is hard for some fans to seperate the two issues. I know that it is for me. As far as on field play, I thought that Miller was a bit old to get a huge contract but that doesn't make me hate him, or stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I get it but imo it is hard for some fans to seperate the two issues. I know that it is for me. As far as on field play, I thought that Miller was a bit old to get a huge contract but that doesn't make me hate him, or stupid. Lol…. I didn’t say it made you stupid. You’re the one that is inferring that it does. Those that hate him for signing the contract or because he was injured and hasn’t come back to form…..well, those people are a different story. Hate Beane for the contract. Hate McD for playing him. Hate Von for his off field stuff. Just don’t hate him because he hasn’t lived up to his contract due to injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 15 hours ago, JJGauna said: Opposing teams are still double teaming him, so he is making an impact regardless of his stats. Hopefully playoff Von comes up when we need him most. In what games have you seen him double teamed? I've only seen him blocked--easily--by a tackle. Typically, Miller goes wide, and the tackle steers him away from the play. For example, watch him in this All-22 review of Oliver's performance against the Chargers. No double teams, no impact other than occupying a single blocker, which the water boy could have done. I haven't seen his every play, but the Athletic All-22 review of the Chargers game out today confirms my impression that Miller was a non-factor. Says Jonathan and Settle made more impact with far fewer snaps. 7 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said: I don’t think Von fully recovered and came back too soon. He was so good before the injury. He doesn’t even look like the same player now. You could tell by the tone in McDermott voice at his presser today that something else could be goin on Something else like what? I don't follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I get it but imo it is hard for some fans to seperate the two issues. I know that it is for me. As far as on field play, I thought that Miller was a bit old to get a huge contract but that doesn't make me hate him, or stupid. You can't force a victim to testify against their perp, so the conversation WRT that topic is moot... I don't see any value in talking about it if the victim won't cooperate. No updates by the DA = she's not cooperating and there is no new evidence. Incredibly sad, but true. Edited December 28, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, NewEra said: Ok…..and you can’t stand him because why? Beane: ”hey von, here’s some cash up front. It’ll allow us to sign more players and is more cash in hand for you!” von: “sounds good” The GM wanted him to restructure….he agreed to something that the GM thought was helping the team….and you can’t stand the player? 🤷🏻♂️ doesn’t make sense to me it's not perfect logic. hell, it might not even qualify as logic. but i didn't like his contract to start and then moving to extend more years on it was gross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, boyst said: it's not perfect logic. hell, it might not even qualify as logic. but i didn't like his contract to start and then moving to extend more years on it was gross. Whatever floats your boat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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