Best Recent QBs

[Kaenon]

We're going to do this.

The JA narrative, turnover machine nonsense, blah blah blah.

 

QB in his first 6 seasons [played]

Yards (Total yards)

TDs (Total TDs)

INTs (INTs + Fumbles) - not fumbles lost, just fumbles 

 

Brady

21,558 (21,993)

147 (152)

78 (137)

 

P. Manning

24,885 (25,467)

167 (176)

110 (143)

 

Brees

20,968 (21,400)

133 (138)

82 (121)

 

Roethlisberger

19,302 (20,000)

127 (139)

81 (120)

 

Mahomes

27,639 (29,525)

215 (227)

59 (93)

 

Allen

21,844 (25,305)

163 (211)

74 (130)

[WotAGuy]

Wins and championships are what matters. 

[BringBackFergy]

Allen and Brady are damn close. 
 

[BuffaloBillies]

Kermit gets extra kisses from miss piggy for those stats.

Head above all others.

 

But now no Hill, coming back to earth. 

[ToGoGo]

The narratives around Allen have been downright bizarre his entire career. 
 

Something about him man, I don’t know, it brings something out of people that’s negative. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Now add Purdy in 

[julian]

2 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

The narratives around Allen have been downright bizarre his entire career. 
 

Something about him man, I don’t know, it brings something out of people that’s negative. 

The media were never going to let go of the draft night tweets, most had a negative on field narrative to begin with and when the tweets happened that sealed his fate.

 

 As far as average fan hate goes, the more hate just means he’s really really good.

[BigDingus]

2 hours ago, Kaenon said:

Mahomes

27,639 (29,525)

215 (227)

59 (93)

 

Allen

21,844 (25,305)

163 (211)

74 (130)

 

It's misleading to cite Mahomes' rookie year which was essentially spent on the bench.

 

Here's a more accurate breakdown of their first 6 seasons, including the actual turnover totals, from the time they both began as starters in 2018:

 

MAHOMES:

 

Total Yards: 29,231
Total TDs: 227 
Total Turnovers: 71
Games Played: 92

Averages: 317 ypg / 2.46 TDs / 0.77 turnovers per game

 

 

ALLEN: 

 

Combined Yards: 25,305

Total TDs: 212

Total Turnovers: 97

Games Played: 90
Averages: 281 ypg / 2.35 TDs / 1.06 turnovers per game

 

 

Josh is definitely elite, but we all know the issue that separates him from Mahomes (aside from accolades like 2 x MVP's/2 x SB wins). That's not me dogging on him, it's just being more realistic when talking about what the media & NFL fandom references when discussing Josh.

 

HOWEVER, to put in perspective how great Josh is despite the flaws, look how he stacks up vs others who have played a similar amount of games since 2018:

 

Russell Wilson:

Combined Yards: 23,022

Total TDs: 182

Total Turnovers: 65

Games Played: 90

Averages: 255 ypg / 2.02 TDs / 0.72 turnovers

 

Kirk Cousins: 

Combined Yards: 23,884

Total TDs: 177

Total Turnovers: 79

Games Played: 88

Averages: 271 ypg / 2.01 TDs / 0.90 turnovers

 

Jared Goff:

Combined Yards: 24,838

Total TDs: 153

Total Turnovers: 94

Games Played: 91

Averages: 257 ypg / 1.68 TDs / 1.03 turnovers

 

Derek Carr:

Combined Yards: 23,930

Total TDs: 133

Total Turnovers: 88

Games Played: 93

Averages: 257 ypg / 1.43 TDs / 0.95 turnovers

 

These are the only QBs that have played 90+ games since 2018 (or close to it in Kirk's case). With 1 less game than Goff & only 3 more turnovers, Josh has ***59 MORE TDS!!!**** That should put things in perspective when comparing "Elite" vs "Pretty Good."

Edited December 15, 2023 by BigDingus

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, Kaenon said:

We're going to do this.

The JA narrative, turnover machine nonsense, blah blah blah.

 

QB in his first 6 seasons [played]

Yards (Total yards)

TDs (Total TDs)

INTs (INTs + Fumbles) - not fumbles lost, just fumbles 

 

Brady

21,558 (21,993)

147 (152)

78 (137)

 

P. Manning

24,885 (25,467)

167 (176)

110 (143)

 

Brees

20,968 (21,400)

133 (138)

82 (121)

 

Roethlisberger

19,302 (20,000)

127 (139)

81 (120)

 

Mahomes

27,639 (29,525)

215 (227)

59 (93)

 

Allen

21,844 (25,305)

163 (211)

74 (130)

Are Mahomes and Allen the only first 6 season in the last 15 years? 

Edited December 15, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Kaenon]

9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Are Mahomes and Allen the only first 6 season in the last 15 years? 

Didn't feel like adding any other namesake QBs.

Was doing it on my phone and got burdensome! Lol.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, Kaenon said:

Didn't feel like adding any other namesake QBs.

Was doing it on my phone and got burdensome! Lol.

Game was so different in 2005, not sure it all compares. Also, why’d you leave out Aaron Rodgers ? 

[NewEra]

38 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

It's misleading to cite Mahomes' rookie year which was essentially spent on the bench.

 

Here's a more accurate breakdown of their first 6 seasons, including the actual turnover totals, from the time they both began as starters in 2018:

 

MAHOMES:

 

Total Yards: 29,231
Total TDs: 227 
Total Turnovers: 71
Games Played: 92

Averages: 317 ypg / 2.46 TDs / 0.77 turnovers per game

 

 

ALLEN: 

 

Combined Yards: 25,305

Total TDs: 212

Total Turnovers: 97

Games Played: 90
Averages: 281 ypg / 2.35 TDs / 1.06 turnovers per game

 

 

Josh is definitely elite, but we all know the issue that separates him from Mahomes (aside from accolades like 2 x MVP's/2 x SB wins). That's not me dogging on him, it's just being more realistic when talking about what the media & NFL fandom references when discussing Josh.

 

HOWEVER, to put in perspective how great Josh is despite the flaws, look how he stacks up vs others who have played a similar amount of games since 2018:

Did he cite his rookie year?  The Mahomes total yards he listed was higher than yours.  TDs are the same.

[C.Biscuit97]

11 hours ago, Kaenon said:

We're going to do this.

The JA narrative, turnover machine nonsense, blah blah blah.

 

QB in his first 6 seasons [played]

Yards (Total yards)

TDs (Total TDs)

INTs (INTs + Fumbles) - not fumbles lost, just fumbles 

 

Brady

21,558 (21,993)

147 (152)

78 (137)

 

P. Manning

24,885 (25,467)

167 (176)

110 (143)

 

Brees

20,968 (21,400)

133 (138)

82 (121)

 

Roethlisberger

19,302 (20,000)

127 (139)

81 (120)

 

Mahomes

27,639 (29,525)

215 (227)

59 (93)

 

Allen

21,844 (25,305)

163 (211)

74 (130)

Comparing guys who started their career in the 90s to current qbs is insane. Why didn’t you include Johnny Unitas or Sonny Jurgeson? 

[Kaenon]

48 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Comparing guys who started their career in the 90s to current qbs is insane. Why didn’t you include Johnny Unitas or Sonny Jurgeson? 

Only 1 guy had any starts in the 90's, but thanks for your negativity!

[MJS]

So, Allen is on par with QB's from a previous era of football? That's not good.

[PBF81]

12 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Allen and Brady are damn close. 
 

 

Brady gets props for doing it with Brown, Patten, Branch, & Givens though too.  

 

I'm not sure that there's a 1,000-yard season in the batch.  

 

 

[BigDingus]

21 hours ago, NewEra said:

Did he cite his rookie year?  The Mahomes total yards he listed was higher than yours.  TDs are the same.

 

Yes, Mahomes had 0 TDs his rookie year, 1 INT, and 284 pass yards.

 

I only included actual turnovers though, not total fumbles.

[finn]

10 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Yes, Mahomes had 0 TDs his rookie year, 1 INT, and 284 pass yards.

 

I only included actual turnovers though, not total fumbles.

The Narrative now is Mahomes is the best quarterback playing, period. But looking over these stats, you have to consider that until last year, he was throwing to TWO future Hall of Fame receivers in Hill and Kelce.

 

Has there ever been a quarterback with two HOF receivers? Seems to me that always be a caveat accompanying the incessant, breathless praise of Mahomes. Even a middling QB like Tua can put up star numbers with two excellent receivers. 

 

Maybe I should whisper this: "Mahomes is overrated!"