What more can Allen do?

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Right… robbed of a superbowl.

 

recap of the 2021 theft….

 

lost to the team that lost to the team that lost to the superbowl champ. 
 

Pretty insidious plot to steal the win 

Right so team A lost to team B, which means bills wouldn’t have beat team B. 🙄 respectfully that logic makes no sense at all.

 

Did you not watch Josh that playoffs?

 

He was literally going to shatter every post season record.

 

The only thing that stopped him was his idiot head coach who couldn’t close out 13 seconds

[Warcodered]

10 minutes ago, BrettFavre said:

Ok and the got off the plane late? Missed numerous chances to run up the score in the first half, only got to 17 because the D gave it right back with a fumble recovery. The defense in the first half was the best phase of our game, no question. Dominated an elite unit.

 

Second half was 2/5 scores, no idea where you're getting 5/7.

MISSED FG

TOUCHDOWN

INTERCEPTION

PUNT

TOUCHDOWN

Yeah that was the Eagles, the defense only stopped them twice from the 2nd half on, the Eagles scored on 5/7 of their drives or like I said lopping off the first as we're including the OT drive and it's 5/6 like they didn't even bother to come back after halftime.

[Mikie2times]

4 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

The one that beat us yesterday didn't. In fact, that bum turned the ball over twice and still managed to beat out team led by our gutless HC. Waste a timeout that we could you use when we get the ball back with 20 seconds to go in regulation. Decide to sit on the ball rather than make an effort to get a game winning FG despite doing just that last year with 23 seconds left against the Lions almost exactly one year ago. Having witnessed the chiefs do it to us not once but twice with 13 seconds left. Just unbelievably dumb coaching decision. Tail between his legs. 

 

I think you are looking in the wrong direction. The offense scored 31 points in regulation and that included a missed FG that Bass should make the majority of the time, a blocked FG and sure-fire TD dropped by Cook. Why are we even talking about needing to change the offense or finding an identity? 

If you think McD is the only reason we can't win close games you're mistaking. If you build a system to live and die with one player, you will not be alive very long. 

[PatsFanNH]

16 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

 

Was a bad pick but a great DB play primarily. Allen shouldn't have to play a flawless game to win and the throw was solid to Diggs. The DB just timed it well and jumped it.

The CB hosted him into making that throw. It was a poor decision by Allen, but all QBs make an occasional mistake.

[WNYFAN1]

Don't lead the league in turnovers

[BringBackFlutie]

16 hours ago, Kaenon said:

I do feel bad for Josh, Diggs, the rest of the guys, this fan base.

 

But, what does a Super Bowl win do for us anyway?

I have Jets diehards as best friends. Should they go, "well at least we won a Super Bowl," when they weren't born for another 20 years?

 

Does it even matter..?

 

Have we been thinking about enjoying football all wrong?

 

 

Ha!

Hell no!

Win the effin big one or we suck and are stuck in purgatory forever.

 

Or, maybe we enjoy having a team? Having Allen and what a joy it is to watch him on Sundays? Look forward to the new stadium in 2026? Tailgating and enjoying pregame with family and friends?

 

Idk.

Is there a middle ground?

 

Why am I so confused right now.

Bro. There are professionals for this. Most people even have sessions covered by their health insurance.

[Wayne Arnold]

17 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

Serious question. 

 

Josh Allen not only needs to be great, he needs to be perfect. Otherwise he gets criticized by media and opposing fans because of the losses.

 

If he's not perfect, they can't blow out teams. If they can't blow out teams, they can't win unless Allen scores with no time left on the clock.

 

That's an impossible standard for anyone.

 

That's how poorly coached this team is.

 

Allen deserves so much better.

[finn]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

Yeah 2nd half performance of 13/14 completions with 2 TDs and a game sealing run on a bum ankle to win the Superbowl. So mediocre. What a loser. 

I was referring to Super Bowl LIV, when he was 26/43 with two TDs and two interceptions. Named MVP. In three SB appearances, he has 5 TDs and 4 interceptions, yet he's considered the best QB in the league because his team won two of them. If he had lost them with the same stats, or even far superior ones, he would not be considered a potential GOAT.

 

Like Marino, Allen cannot make up for the team around him, no matter how well he plays. Last night, he produced over 400 yards and 4 TDs, and people here and everywhere are dwelling on his one interception. As you say, what a loser. 

[SectionC3]

Call Pegula and tell him that McD is done.  That’s what he can do. 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

The CB hosted him into making that throw. It was a poor decision by Allen, but all QBs make an occasional mistake.

Guy threw the ball 51 times had 1 pick in a rainstorm WTF do we expect.

[Aimee75]

43 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Josh Allen not only needs to be great, he needs to be perfect. Otherwise he gets criticized by media and opposing fans because of the losses.

 

If he's not perfect, they can't blow out teams. If they can't blow out teams, they can't win unless Allen scores with no time left on the clock.

 

That's an impossible standard for anyone.

 

That's how poorly coached this team is.

 

Allen deserves so much better.

My new favorite flex is pooping on him for not winning in O/T. Okay, so I guess he's not clutch, even though he has gotten the team the lead towards the end of regulation? How many times this year did he get the team the lead with less than two minutes ago? How about the 13 seconds debacle? He has brought the team back from dead numerous times, but it doesn't count? It only counts in overtime? Alrighty then!

[TheFunPolice]

2 minutes ago, Aimee75 said:

My new favorite flex is pooping on him for not winning in O/T. Okay, so I guess he's not clutch, even though he has gotten the team the lead towards the end of regulation? How many times this year did he get the team the lead with less than two minutes ago? How about the 13 seconds debacle? He has brought the team back from dead numerous times, but it doesn't count? It only counts in overtime? Alrighty then!

 

It seems like every epic, superhuman effort by Allen to put this team on his shoulders and will them to a win is ruined by McDermott's blunders on defense or game management

 

That's why "this one is a true classic!" always equals a Bills loss

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Don't lead the league in turnovers

This feels like it gets overhyped to me…tua is 2 turnovers behind josh with 11 less total tds in one less game played.  Hurts is two turnovers behind also in one less game played. 
 

the guy with the best total td numbers when you factor in turnovers is Dak and everyone seems to think he’s a turnover machine 😂 

 

I think a lot of this is they only really tell you when someone is leading a category so nobody knows the context… there’s a few supposedly great qbs that are right in line with josh in turnovers 

[Shaw66]

17 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

Serious question. 

Understanding full well that Allen already is contributing more to the success of this team than probably any other player, I nevertheless believe that Allen should do more.   Plus, what I believe is not in the stupid category, like kick field goals.   It's about becoming an all-time great QB.  

 

1.  Be a leader.  Not just a "rah-rah" leader, but a leader who demands more of his teammates.  Year after year, Tom Brady was the hardest working player on the Patriots, and year after year he was a demanding leader.  So, for example, on the assumption that Gabriel Davis blew the last pass play (I haven't read anything about the game, so I don't know), that's a failure of leadership by Josh.   He needs to be absolutely demanding of his teammates, and particularly his offensive skill players, to get it right all the time.  It's one to thing to practice something, it's another to practice it with the intention that they'll do it like they practiced it.    If you haven't prepared mentally to do it right, your practice has a tendency to fail you when the pressure is on, and that seems to be what happened to Davis.   If you asked him a day before the game what he was supposed to do on the route, he would have told you the right answer.  But put him on the field with the game on the line, and his practice failed him.   

 

Josh has to hold Davis accountable for his play, not after the fact, but before hand, in training camp and in practice.  Josh doesn't strike me as doing that.   

 

2.  Related to 1, Josh has to demand more of himself.  A truly great QB does not throw the INT he threw yesterday, and it cost the Bills the game.   Not blaming the loss on Josh, but if he doesn't throw that INT, the Eagles get one less TD.  And, like Davis's screw up, Josh broke down when the pressure was on.  Eagles had just scored to cut the lead to three, and the Bills needed at least a drive and at best a score.  With the pressure on, Josh failed to recognize what was happening on the field and gave the ball to the Eagles.  With a short field, the Eagles scored and that was the beginning of the end.   

 

Josh has to hold himself accountable, not after the fact, but before hand, in training camp and practice.  He has to be prepared for everything, and when the pressure is on he has to play the way he prepared.  Instead, I think Josh relies on his incredible physical skills to make plays.  The problem is that that is not leadership, because his teammates don't have generational physical skills, so they can't follow his lead.   He has to prepare himself meticulously, both because it will make him play better and because that is an example that his teammates CAN follow.  That's leadership. 

 

3.  Josh has to be consistent.  He has to be consistent in the preparation I described above, every day.   He has to be consistent in his emotional preparation for the game.   I can see it in his face.   Yesterday, he came out in the first half with a calm, dispassionate look on his face.  He was a warrior who was ready to battle.   Other times, he has the deer-in-the-headlights look.  Other times, he's overly excited, a sort of goofy cheerleader on the sidelines.   He has to model discipline, energy, and excellence all the time.   He needs to do that to lead.  

 

4.  When Josh does those things, when he plays with discipline and based on constant, thorough, and committed preparation, his skill position players will do it, too, and the offense will perform better, even better than yesterday.  When that happens, then Josh can lead the defense, too.   That's critical, because the defense is infected with the same problem that Davis had on the final non-TD:  They prepare, but somehow they're never really ready to make the big play when the game is on the line. 

 

Now, there will be people who have stopped reading by now, and they will post saying it's not Josh's fault, it's McDermott's fault, and I won't argue with that.   Even I, the tireless McDermott defender, have to admit that McDermott has to take responsibility for the string of close losses that resulted from end-of-game breakdowns.  There simply have been too many without an equal or greater number of wins.  Hail Murray, the Vikings, the Broncos, yesterday.  And that's not close to an exhaustive list.  Just as it's true for Josh, it's true for McDermott:  It's not enough to practice it in order to be prepared.   It needs to be practiced in a way that translates into playmaking at the most crucial time of the game.  Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer being close to making the play in the end zone isn't enough; it isn't enough to say that they knew what they were supposed to do and couldn't quite do it.  They have to do it. But McDermott can't do it if his quarterback isn't leading the way.  Josh has to be demanding of his teammates, but he can succeed being demanding of them only if he is demanding of himself.  

 

The difference between McDermott and Allen's Bills and Belichick and Brady's Patriots is night and day in this regard.  Night and day.   Brady made the plays and demanded of his teammates that they make plays.  Belichick practiced to prepare his players to make plays when the game was on the line, and Brady led the team in practicing that way.  McDermott has to fix this problem from a coaching point of view, and Josh has to fix himself, too. 

 

So, yes, Josh can do more

 

 

[90sBills]

46 minutes ago, finn said:

I was referring to Super Bowl LIV, when he was 26/43 with two TDs and two interceptions. Named MVP. In three SB appearances, he has 5 TDs and 4 interceptions, yet he's considered the best QB in the league because his team won two of them. If he had lost them with the same stats, or even far superior ones, he would not be considered a potential GOAT.

 

Like Marino, Allen cannot make up for the team around him, no matter how well he plays. Last night, he produced over 400 yards and 4 TDs, and people here and everywhere are dwelling on his one interception. As you say, what a loser. 

I see. My bad. Even in that Superbowl Mahomes came back strong late in the game. Down 10 with 7 minutes he converted one of the most improbable 3rd and 15 in Superbowl history. The point is great QBs find a way to win even when they’ve played like crap for most of the game.

 

Allen was phenomenal yesterday. Yes he did get baited on that interception that gave Philly momentum to come back. But he had a chance in OT with the ball first. How many times have other teams had that position and finished? In the 13sec game we all thought if Allen had the ball first Bills would’ve won. Well he had a chance yesterday and they weren’t good enough. Those moments define greatness. 

 

 

[finn]

18 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

But he had a chance in OT with the ball first. How many times have other teams had that position and finished? In the 13sec game we all thought if Allen had the ball first Bills would’ve won. Well he had a chance yesterday and they weren’t good enough. Those moments define greatness. 

 

 

Right, but I think that drive actually supports my point. Allen threw a perfect ball to Gabe Davis, who evidently failed to adjust his route given the situation, if reports are to believed. If that's the case, Allen DID come through, again, and his team failed him, again. 

 

I'm not trying to be an Allen homer, but I've been watching football since the O.J. Simpson era, and I've never seen a more gifted QB than Allen. He also has competitive fire. He just needs a team and coaching staff that's good enough, and the Super Bowl victories should follow. But they haven't been good enough. Last night is just the latest example. No one, not even Saint Patrick, can win Super Bowls with the team and coaches Allen has had. The Bills record is as good as it is because of him. 

[Shaw66]

7 minutes ago, finn said:

Right, but I think that drive actually supports my point. Allen threw a perfect ball to Gabe Davis, who evidently failed to adjust his route given the situation, if reports are to believed. If that's the case, Allen DID come through, again, and his team failed him, again. 

 

I'm not trying to be an Allen homer, but I've been watching football since the O.J. Simpson era, and I've never seen a more gifted QB than Allen. He also has competitive fire. He just needs a team and coaching staff that's good enough, and the Super Bowl victories should follow. But they haven't been good enough. Last night is just the latest example. No one, not even Saint Patrick, can win Super Bowls with the team and coaches Allen has had. The Bills record is as good as it is because of him. 

I agree with what you're saying, but I think some of it is on Allen, too.  As I said in what I wrote, above, a truly great quarterback instills in his receivers that they MUST execute for him; there is no other option.   It's not enough to have competitive fire; he has to have that fire consistently, in practice and in games.  That consistent demand on himself and on his teammates is what's necessary for greatness personally and for his team.  Someone the other day says that football has to be an obsession with him.  I think that's true, and I don't think we're seeing that out of him.   Again, I am not for a minute blaming the loss on Allen, but I think he (along with McDermott) needs to lead the team out of their tendency to fail when the game is on the line.  

[FilthyBeast]

Nothing.

 

It's the same tired story with this team and it's 'defensive guru' head coach. Yet another reason Terry Pegula has to ask himself why I'm keeping this guy around when defense has always been the problem and a bigger problem than ever this year?

 

And for the minority that insists that everything would be magically different with Milano/White/Jones/etc....no it wouldn't, in fact those same players have been invisible and/or useless in similar big moments throughout the years especially on the road in similar games.

[WNYFAN1]

57 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This feels like it gets overhyped to me…tua is 2 turnovers behind josh with 11 less total tds in one less game played.  Hurts is two turnovers behind also in one less game played. 
 

the guy with the best total td numbers when you factor in turnovers is Dak and everyone seems to think he’s a turnover machine 😂 

 

I think a lot of this is they only really tell you when someone is leading a category so nobody knows the context… there’s a few supposedly great qbs that are right in line with josh in turnovers 

Sure, there's context and my comment was obviously a bit sarcastic. But it is literally the answer to the op's question.

[RyanC883]

only thing left is to demand that McD go.