Tiberius Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 19 hours ago, T master said: Maybe it as you call it "triggers me" because i AM a LAW ABIDING citizen of the USA far from perfect but that's where i start from & I have said in prior posts that the he US has always had LEGAL Immigration and that is what this country was built on to become a True American citizen . Liberty AND Justice !!! for all not starting out by breaking the law although that is what the country has become in some respects . I don't care MAGA or not if it has to do with upholding a law in place for the right reasons with some common sense mixed in i'm all for it . Sure, you have a cushy life posting on the internet. You wouldn't "break the law" to flee a socialist dictatorship like Venezuela? Maybe you are not strong enough to walk all the way up through central America like they are, but they are seeking freedom in the best country in world. Oh, and immigration helps America 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh, and immigration helps America For the third day LEGAL immigration helps America and the immigrants/Americans that use those routes. illegal immigration and human trafficking hurts both Americans and the people trafficked. Edited November 21, 2023 by Tommy Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sure, you have a cushy life posting on the internet. You wouldn't "break the law" to flee a socialist dictatorship like Venezuela? Maybe you are not strong enough to walk all the way up through central America like they are, but they are seeking freedom in the best country in world. Oh, and immigration helps America Immigration does help America but the problem with that argument is people presenting that point are only looking at the benefits while refusing to recognize any of the costs or consequences which offset or can quite possibly be greater than any benefit given the circumstances. Look a NYC. Do the "benefits" justify the cost in terms of funding and social disruptions that the city is experiencing as immigration expenses the city is having to handle are resulting in budget cuts in services and programs elsewhere? This according to the Mayor. I think those kinds of questions while recognizing resources are finite and priorities must be set are the kind of issues at the heart of the matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Immigration does help America but the problem with that argument is people presenting that point are only looking at the benefits while refusing to recognize any of the costs or consequences which offset or can quite possibly be greater than any benefit given the circumstances. Look a NYC. Do the "benefits" justify the cost in terms of funding and social disruptions that the city is experiencing as immigration expenses the city is having to handle are resulting in budget cuts in services and programs elsewhere? This according to the Mayor. I think those kinds of questions while recognizing resources are finite and priorities must be set are the kind of issues at the heart of the matter. In the long term the country does benefit, though there are short term costs, to be sure. We should do a better job ameliorating the short term draw backs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: though there are short term costs, to be sure. We should do a better job ameliorating the short term draw backs. Nice way of romanticizing the women, children that are raped and assaulted as they are trafficked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Meanwhile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 would be interesting to see the unauthorized immigrants chart go to current date. When did they start using the term Asylum to not be counted as unauthorized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 13 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Again, let's review, the spelling lesson came because you decided you could mock Tibs. Mocking someone's intelligence while making a middle school level error is ironic/funny. I'd laugh at myself if I did it. Also, I'll say if i wanted to really lay into your posts I could do it with every single one you make. Your posts read like English isnt your first language or you are suffering a stroke as you type. Read your second sentence back to yourself because I literally have no clue wtf you're trying to say. Substance wise, you being a law abiding citizen is a factor? Who cares? There are ridiculous laws in just about every state people break every day that aren't enforced so spare me. In Indiana it's against the law to ride your horse above 10 MPH. In California it's illegal to whistle for a lost canary before 7 a.m. Most break the rules because immigration law is obscenely over-complicated or they're fleeing some type of persecution/poverty. https://www.carnegie.org/our-work/article/15-myths-about-immigration-debunked/ The Cato institute is widely considered liberitarian. I'd like it if they added the stats to back this up but this is all largely true. This doesn't mean completely open borders is good but you're arguments are not based on reality. So i'm glad you got a laugh because of something i have done . I've made a lot of mistakes in life if someone can get a little laughter from it i have big shoulders so be it . Your point that sticks out most to me is the second small sentence in the second paragraph . Who Cares ! That i the most pertinent thing in this conversation & a point that seems to be more a part of American society today than anything because if people did give a s**t the US would be better for it . As far as my english goes well you will have to get more & more use to it because all of those coming here illegally are not made to learn even the slightest amount of english although it is the first language of this country or was at 1 point you will have to decipher more than my misspellings as time goes on especially if you travel to different cities because english is becoming a secondary language in the staes now . So i'm just peeping you for more of the same . As cara as the ridiculous laws it just goes to show us all how foolish some law makers can be and should teach us all a bit about them but to this point it doesn't seem that some of the American public has much common sense when it comes to making or following laws because Who Cares !! But to that what complete & utter jack ass would make a law about whistling for a canary before 7 am & what complete & utter jack asses would think that this should be a law that truly needs to be addressed beside maybe Biden ?? As far as border laws this country can in no way continue to let some 2 MILLION cross into the country every year and expect it to not first off displace more actual citizens that may need assistance & divert that money as we have seen to housing, health care, Learning of the english language which doesn't seem to matter, & all other related matters that come with people coming here Illegally . All Illegal immigration does is cause more of a burden on the tax system and other things such as the VA less money for veterans health care and such . The bottom line is the amount of money available . Maybe the US gov't like the NFL should have a cap put in place every year and not be allowed to go over that but that's why they got rid of the gold standard so sorry i Misremembered & oh yah that's right they don't give a s**t because they just continue to print more money . Well i hope there is something here to make you laugh even more have a good day ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Meanwhile But in 2022 the number went from 10.2 to what ever another 2 million plus would have sent the numbers too so when you add that into the Trump equation that makes what he did a bit better over all than this administration . So if Trump failed this guy is a poster child for incompetence when it comes to immigration . Numbers say it all i guess . Seeing as there were more crossings in 22 than in recent history that says something in the failure column . So Biden is as big a POS as Trump ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, T master said: But in 2022 the number went from 10.2 to what ever another 2 million plus would have sent the numbers too so when you add that into the Trump equation that makes what he did a bit better over all than this administration . So if Trump failed this guy is a poster child for incompetence when it comes to immigration . Numbers say it all i guess . Seeing as there were more crossings in 22 than in recent history that says something in the failure column . So Biden is as big a POS as Trump ... So the wall didn’t work? lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Sure, you have a cushy life posting on the internet. You wouldn't "break the law" to flee a socialist dictatorship like Venezuela? Maybe you are not strong enough to walk all the way up through central America like they are, but they are seeking freedom in the best country in world. Oh, and immigration helps America Yep it sure does if done the right way ! I know it did me when i was in the construction industry in FL. before the housing crash in 08 . I was the top skilled trades person at the company i worked for for some 12 + years & as time went on my boss (the owner of the company) started hiring more illegal immigrants which had their families living & working together which made the amount of job availability go down . It took me more time to put out a finished product that didn't need anyone to go back to redo work on when finished and the new people he hired could put out the same job i did (which the quality was TOTAL CRAP in comparison) but they could put out 4 jobs of BS work to my 2 to which there was no comparison of quality yet my boss didn't care until i gave my 2 weeks notice . He was feeding them & didn't give a S**T about the guy that had made him money with a higher quality for 12 years . WOW does that sound like a modern day American labor story of what has exactly happened to the American job market in the US or what ? So how many more Americans like me had to find other jobs because greed & lack of quality workmanship to make more money as the driving force behind American business ? I don't have any problem with people immigrating here for a better life LEGALLY that's what we all want ! But when it's stuck in my A** to bring those people here and then allowing them to take my job not based on the fact that they can do a better/higher quality job than me but because they can do more work with less quality for less money that pisses me off . I at one point almost lost everything i had busted my ass for because of "Undocumented" or ILLEGAL immigration taking work away from me & i'll bet you on the other hand haven't been in that situation . That with the fact that you are probably to lazy to do things for yourself & need immigrants to do the things you don't want to is why your opinion is the way it is i'm guessing . I'll guess you are probably a office worker that sits behind a computer most days and go home or stay home & tell everyone how exhausted you are at the end of the day from sitting on your ass behind a desk . Not that those jobs can't be hard just in a different way to where you have or feel the need to have someone else mow your lawn & such . Oh and any time you want to work beside me even at my advanced age bring it !! I'll line up some work for you & i that will show you what kind of a man you ain't !! Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, T master said: Yep it sure does if done the right way ! I know it did me when i was in the construction industry in FL. before the housing crash in 08 . I was the top skilled trades person at the company i worked for for some 12 + years & as time went on my boss (the owner of the company) started hiring more illegal immigrants which had their families living & working together which made the amount of job availability go down . It took me more time to put out a finished product that didn't need anyone to go back to redo work on when finished and the new people he hired could put out the same job i did (which the quality was TOTAL CRAP in comparison) but they could put out 4 jobs of BS work to my 2 to which there was no comparison of quality yet my boss didn't care until i gave my 2 weeks notice . He was feeding them & didn't give a S**T about the guy that had made him money with a higher quality for 12 years . WOW does that sound like a modern day American labor story of what has exactly happened to the American job market in the US or what ? So how many more Americans like me had to find other jobs because greed & lack of quality workmanship to make more money as the driving force behind American business ? I don't have any problem with people immigrating here for a better life LEGALLY that's what we all want ! But when it's stuck in my A** to bring those people here and then allowing them to take my job not based on the fact that they can do a better/higher quality job than me but because they can do more work with less quality for less money that pisses me off . I at one point almost lost everything i had busted my ass for because of "Undocumented" or ILLEGAL immigration taking work away from me & i'll bet you on the other hand haven't been in that situation . That with the fact that you are probably to lazy to do things for yourself & need immigrants to do the things you don't want to is why your opinion is the way it is i'm guessing . I'll guess you are probably a office worker that sits behind a computer most days and go home or stay home & tell everyone how exhausted you are at the end of the day from sitting on your ass behind a desk . Not that those jobs can't be hard just in a different way to where you have or feel the need to have someone else mow your lawn & such . Oh and any time you want to work beside me even at my advanced age bring it !! I'll line up some work for you & i that will show you what kind of a man you ain't !! Just saying So you would or wouldn't "illegally" leave a socialist dictatorship to come here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you would or wouldn't "illegally" leave a socialist dictatorship to come here? Is it even illegal to leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, BillStime said: So the wall didn’t work? lmao It & the laws in place that helped slow illegal immigration were working to keep it relatively the same with not a huge increase until your boy took it all away through executive order only to have the highest amount of illegal immigration in history after he took office . So that's something to hang your hat on isn't it ? The numbers don't lie but you don't care about that either, facts have no pertinence to you when it comes to something like the immigration thing . The fact that the "Sanctuary Cities" that were all for allowing these folks to come into the country now are back tracking due to the fact that they are finding out EXACTLY how big of a financial burden it is to bring them here has little or no relevance but is a larger picture of truth to how it effects the entire story of immigration . But WTH that's okay we can just continue to print as much money as we need to continually over spend every year only to BS the people on how the deficit isn't that bad & we can get it under control the BIGGEST BS line ever in American politics !! But that's all good because you believe & aren't willing to make the hard decisions (just like this administration) and others of how to get the spending under control which all of this just adds to it ... You and others just can't see the forest for the trees !! 24 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you would or wouldn't "illegally" leave a socialist dictatorship to come here? I'll play your dum A** game with you to not answer a question with a relevant answer only to ask another stupid question ! How can you illegally leave a country ? TOUCH'E Edited November 21, 2023 by T master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, T master said: Yep it sure does if done the right way ! I know it did me when i was in the construction industry in FL. before the housing crash in 08 . I was the top skilled trades person at the company i worked for for some 12 + years & as time went on my boss (the owner of the company) started hiring more illegal immigrants which had their families living & working together which made the amount of job availability go down . It took me more time to put out a finished product that didn't need anyone to go back to redo work on when finished and the new people he hired could put out the same job i did (which the quality was TOTAL CRAP in comparison) but they could put out 4 jobs of BS work to my 2 to which there was no comparison of quality yet my boss didn't care until i gave my 2 weeks notice . He was feeding them & didn't give a S**T about the guy that had made him money with a higher quality for 12 years . WOW does that sound like a modern day American labor story of what has exactly happened to the American job market in the US or what ? So how many more Americans like me had to find other jobs because greed & lack of quality workmanship to make more money as the driving force behind American business ? I don't have any problem with people immigrating here for a better life LEGALLY that's what we all want ! But when it's stuck in my A** to bring those people here and then allowing them to take my job not based on the fact that they can do a better/higher quality job than me but because they can do more work with less quality for less money that pisses me off . I at one point almost lost everything i had busted my ass for because of "Undocumented" or ILLEGAL immigration taking work away from me & i'll bet you on the other hand haven't been in that situation . That with the fact that you are probably to lazy to do things for yourself & need immigrants to do the things you don't want to is why your opinion is the way it is i'm guessing . I'll guess you are probably a office worker that sits behind a computer most days and go home or stay home & tell everyone how exhausted you are at the end of the day from sitting on your ass behind a desk . Not that those jobs can't be hard just in a different way to where you have or feel the need to have someone else mow your lawn & such . Oh and any time you want to work beside me even at my advanced age bring it !! I'll line up some work for you & i that will show you what kind of a man you ain't !! Just saying So you were outworked by people who did a better job? 10 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Is it even illegal to leave? Just on Wednesdays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you were outworked by people who did a better job? Not even close ! But it shows exactly where you fit in when it comes to quality craftsmanship which you by your answer know absolutely nothing about amongst other things ! Just saying . Just stay behind your desk and Joe will send someone to help soon . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Illegal immigration isn't good. Why this needs to be said out loud is amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, T master said: Not even close ! But it shows exactly where you fit in when it comes to quality craftsmanship which you by your answer know absolutely nothing about amongst other things ! Just saying . Just stay behind your desk and Joe will send someone to help soon . You right wingers make up so many lies about politics why should anyone take you seriously about your personal lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You right wingers make up so many lies about politics why should anyone take you seriously about your personal lives? What have i lied about ? Politics in and of it self is nothing but lies prove me wrong big guy ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 minute ago, T master said: What have i lied about ? How would I know. I'm just saying I have no reason to believe you. Not sure why some of you need to bring in supposed personal details. Sounds disingenuous, especially when there is self-praising involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: How would I know. I'm just saying I have no reason to believe you. Not sure why some of you need to bring in supposed personal details. Sounds disingenuous, especially when there is self-praising involved You must have a strong dislike for redhawk then. Your gripe is his entire schtick. Hate to see that kind of dissent between two lefties. A real shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 37 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You right wingers make up so many lies about politics why should anyone take you seriously about your personal lives? Ohhhh, the irony 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: How would I know. I'm just saying I have no reason to believe you. Not sure why some of you need to bring in supposed personal details. Sounds disingenuous, especially when there is self-praising involved When you said - YOU right wingers - you lumped me into that group and basically in so many words called me a liar saying "I have no reason to believe you" unlike you i don't blow smoke up peoples ass especially when it comes to personal experiences !! I was raised to dislike a liar & a thief of which i am neither & i have little grey area & am very black & white which is where you & i differ immensely !! So i want to or would like to know what you have specifically read that i have lied about . I am not a liar & i lived my personal experiences of which you know absolutely nothing about !! Those personal experiences of illegal immigration directly having a impact on me personally gives me more of a reason to B**CH about it than you sitting on the sideline or behind a desk with little or no interaction with in the situation when it comes to it directly effecting your everyday life . So tell me what personal interaction have you ever had with Illegal immigration that has effected you & your personal life directly ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Doc said: Illegal immigration isn't good. Why this needs to be said out loud is amazing. Incorrect. Some is good. Too much is bad. If we were smart we'd change our immigration laws. Use analytics to tweak how many let in and from where. Nobody wants to do that though because it's a lot of work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 minute ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Incorrect. Some is good. Too much is bad. If we were smart we'd change our immigration laws. Use analytics to tweak how many let in and from where. Nobody wants to do that though because it's a lot of work. BUT - BUT - We can just print more money & make up another committee or board to look into it they did that for 4 years on other instances, so as they say . Just Do It !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, T master said: When you said - YOU right wingers - you lumped me into that group and basically in so many words called me a liar saying "I have no reason to believe you" unlike you i don't blow smoke up peoples ass especially when it comes to personal experiences !! I was raised to dislike a liar & a thief of which i am neither & i have little grey area & am very black & white which is where you & i differ immensely !! So i want to or would like to know what you have specifically read that i have lied about . I am not a liar & i lived my personal experiences of which you know absolutely nothing about !! Those personal experiences of illegal immigration directly having a impact on me personally gives me more of a reason to B**CH about it than you sitting on the sideline or behind a desk with little or no interaction with in the situation when it comes to it directly effecting your everyday life . So tell me what personal interaction have you ever had with Illegal immigration that has effected you & your personal life directly ? Why are we still talking about you? 🤥 1 hour ago, T master said: BUT - BUT - We can just print more money & make up another committee or board to look into it they did that for 4 years on other instances, so as they say . Just Do It !! And don't forget, give more money to Iran, or something! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 56 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why are we still talking about you? 🤥 And don't forget, give more money to Iran, or something! It's always the same tired tropes. There doesn't seem to even be any thought toward anything other than bogus info they get from fox. Ohhh immigrants are getting 1500 a month in aid from the government!!! It's almost all just bull that some Twitter fool misinterpreted, shared, then became a story in their echo chamber. And I don't even agree with you if you're position is that all immigration is good and our borders should be wide open. There's merit studying it - but it's not the way I'd say is best. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: If we were smart we'd change our immigration laws. Use analytics to tweak how many let in and from where. Nobody wants to do that though because it's a lot of work. Little doubt there's room for improvement but how would we know? First step is to start enforcing our immigration laws. After that we can go about seeing what's working and what can be improved by changing them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Go back to Trump-era immigration policy. Make them know they won't be getting in freely and that if they're seeking amnesty, they'll have to remain in Mexico until their case is resolved. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precision Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Today's news..... ICE arrests Brazilian illegal immigrant child rapist in Martha’s Vineyard "ICE said the Brazilian, identified as 37-year-old Saulo Cardona Ferreira, had received "multiple criminal convictions" in Brazil in 2019 for raping the child and had been sentenced to 14 years in prison, but he had fled the country." "ICE said that in FY 2022, it arrested 46,396 illegal immigrants with criminal histories, which included 8,164 sex and sexual assault offenses." Rest assured, if they're making it to Martha's Vinyard, they're making it to your hometown. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: It's always the same tired tropes. There doesn't seem to even be any thought toward anything other than bogus info they get from fox. Ohhh immigrants are getting 1500 a month in aid from the government!!! It's almost all just bull that some Twitter fool misinterpreted, shared, then became a story in their echo chamber. And I don't even agree with you if you're position is that all immigration is good and our borders should be wide open. There's merit studying it - but it's not the way I'd say is best. My favorite part is that he was the best at his job so he got fired and replaced by someone who was just the worst ever. That makes sense, not And no, not wide open borders, but much more of a chance for people to enter and get to work on gaining the American dream. I wish there was a better way to regime change in a place like Venezuela, also. A better government there solves a lot of problems. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 16 hours ago, Tiberius said: My favorite part is that he was the best at his job so he got fired and replaced by someone who was just the worst ever. That makes sense, not IF by chance (and i feel its a good chance) this is in reply to what i put down as my explanation to my personal experience with illegal immigration taking work away from me being a problem which you have apparently never personally experienced . Your such a huge dip ***** !! As usual you didn't comprehend what was actually written in my reply and only took & twisted what you wanted into your demented opinion to fit your bias narrative of what was explained which was the truth . i wasn't fired i quit ! Due to the fact the loyalty from the company wasn't there and it was put toward people making a inferior finished product for the money so i figured if that's what you want that's what you will get & took my skills else where . Unlike you i am independent & don't depend on anyone but my self to take care of my business . You twist everything you can to make it look as if your biased narrative or personal opinion is on point is fact when it is more personal BS than anything & in fact your FOS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Pretty cool story about a legal immigrant: https://www.af.mil/News/Features/Display/Article/3505721/reclaiming-freedom-the-story-of-a1c-hamna-zafar/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 9:41 AM, Tiberius said: The aging of the country is a threat to its future Only because of a couple of things that have been taught by the parents of today & mostly because they want better for their kids which is a good thing they just have to much entitlement thoughts injected into their teachings . The parents of todays children don't & for the most part won't teach them the likes of what hard work gets you . The youth of todays America aren't going out on their summer break from school and getting a job raking leaves, working on a farm, a construction crew, or as a bus boy to make money just going "Hey Mom give me some money" . It's all about what mom & dad can give them & just how many hours they can play video games which is the big reason why there is a need for immigration . The immigrants will at least work for a living and that is usually their parents to until they learn the "New American Way" - ENTITLEMENT ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, T master said: Only because of a couple of things that have been taught by the parents of today & mostly because they want better for their kids which is a good thing they just have to much entitlement thoughts injected into their teachings . The parents of todays children don't & for the most part won't teach them the likes of what hard work gets you . The youth of todays America aren't going out on their summer break from school and getting a job raking leaves, working on a farm, a construction crew, or as a bus boy to make money just going "Hey Mom give me some money" . It's all about what mom & dad can give them & just how many hours they can play video games which is the big reason why there is a need for immigration . The immigrants will at least work for a living and that is usually their parents to until they learn the "New American Way" - ENTITLEMENT ... Lots of young people work really hard. I'm not sure you know what you are talking about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 legal is good. illegal is human trafficking and creates victims of violence and rape. And is using up the safety net that our poor and disabled need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Lots of young people work really hard. I'm not sure you know what you are talking about Maybe staring at a computer screen but there is a lack of skill trades everywhere . Have you actually went out & looked at the work force NO Because you are stuck behind a computer screen all day . Go out & take a look at the construction industry & report back to me & see just how many young WHITE ,BLACK, ASIAN, MEXICAN, POLISH, IRISH, JEWISH, CANTONESE, Americans you see there or just ride around town to see just how many young WHITE Americans are mowing the lawns or raking them for summer work or shoveling snow out of the neighbors drives . You won't see it because they are in their bedrooms playing video games or going to their gymnastic classes . My wife has owned a day care for over 20 years & each & every year the kids are more & more spoiled & out & out complete brats because of todays parenting & if you or ay one think these spoiled rotten kids are going to change things for the better your part of the problem . Edited December 12, 2023 by T master 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, T master said: Maybe staring at a computer screen but there is a lack of skill trades everywhere . Have you actually went out & looked at the work force NO Because you are stuck behind a computer screen all day . Go out & take a look at the construction industry & report back to me & see just how many young WHITE Americans you see there or just ride around town to see just how many young WHITE Americans are mowing the lawns or raking them for summer work or shoveling snow out of the neighbors drives . You won't see it because they are in their bedrooms playing video games or going to their gymnastic classes . My wife has owned a day care for over 20 years & each & every year the kids are more & more spoiled & out & out complete brats because of todays parenting & if you or ay one think these spoiled rotten kids are going to change things for the better your part of the problem . it's been decades since he got near the workforce. it's just posting what it reads on its allowed sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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