hellofellowbillsfans Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Derek Brown! Gimme that NT all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, uticaclub said: No one is trading for Miller or Knox with their contracts  Miller, of course nobody is trading for him.  Knox.. I do think there would be a market.  He's a good player, and Tight Ends typically take time to develop. He's a vet and is capable of more than what we're doing with him in this offense. He's not elite, but he is good.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, SCBills said:  Miller, of course nobody is trading for him.  Knox.. I do think there would be a market.  He's a good player, and Tight Ends typically take time to develop. He's a vet and is capable of more than what we're doing with him in this offense. He's not elite, but he is good.  Knox has Value and is a Tradable contract for a team assuming it, with no guaranteed left.  Miller has ZERO value right now, and his contract makes that worse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, SWATeam said: My take is that if you want more star offensive weapons than you can't have a QB taking up such a large % of your cap. Even the Chiefs had to let Tyreek go. The elite highly paid QB needs to elevate those around them. You might be able to get a situation like that short term- the Bengals- but when you start having to pay everyone it doesn't work That's a good point.  And of course, by default, a Top 5 QB will elevate your team such that you're drafting lower in each round.  Roster management does play a role in this. Again, the Von Miller contract. Drafting Boogie Basham when a DE was taken in Round 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Knox has Value and is a Tradable contract for a team assuming it, with no guaranteed left.  Miller has ZERO value right now, and his contract makes that worse  It makes so much sense to trade Dawson Knox for a piece that fits (or recoup a pick we send out, along with his future cap relief) and go back to 11 personnel... which means we obviously won't do it.  Edited October 23, 2023 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, SCBills said:  It makes so much sense to trade Dawson Knox for a piece that fits and go back to 11 personnel... which means we obviously won't do it. Tell me a Coach Like Sean Peyton (who likes TEs and utilizes them in his offenses dating back to the Saints, would not like a Dawson Knox on that team with 3 years remaining on that contract). He absolutely would and could lower any compensation needed for a Jeudy or a Surtain II 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Knox has Value and is a Tradable contract for a team assuming it, with no guaranteed left.  Miller has ZERO value right now, and his contract makes that worse  I think Jerry Jones would be enticed by adding Miller to that D.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Tell me a Coach Like Sean Peyton (who likes TEs and utilizes them in his offenses dating back to the Saints, would not like a Dawson Knox on that team with 3 years remaining on that contract). He absolutely would and could lower any compensation needed for a Jeudy or a Surtain II  Yup .. and the cap relief allows us much more flexibility moving forward.   Maybe they hold out hope, but it seems quite obvious that Josh Allen performs better with 11 and Kincaid is clearly the better player as a rookie.  We take a step back with blocking, but it seems very much worth the risk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:  I think Jerry Jones would be enticed by adding Miller to that D.  Well that is taking advantage of a Senile Old man. But sure if you can find one of those types of GMs to give something for Von at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, MAJBobby said: Well that is taking advantage of a Senile Old man. But sure if you can find one of those types of GMs to give something for Von at this point.  I don't advocate taking advantage of a senile old man, no evidence that Jerry is senile. He's always been nuts! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: They have been "able to get that in the draft" forever now. And the ONLY one that is a consistent playmaker was the younger guy they traded for. That has nothing to do with anything. They have passed on 1st round WRs for whatever reason. We aren't talking about the 4th, 5th, 6th round WRs They have drafted. What team is gonna give up a quality young guy? Who would you expect to get that's 25 years old off the trade market? If we actually "use" a first round pick on a WR, we can get one which I think makes more sense. You can't say we'll "we got late rounders and it hasn't worked" Edited October 23, 2023 by Buffalo03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Buffalo03 said: That has nothing to do with anything. They have passed on 1st round WRs for whatever reason. We aren't talking about the 4th, 5th, 6th round WRs They have drafted. No team is gonna give up a quality young guy? Who would you expect to get that's 25 years old off the trade market? If we actually "use" a first round pick on a WR, we can get one which I think makes more sense. You can't say we'll "we got late rounders and it hasn't worked" So Again WHY havent they? They do not value that position. That is the reality. So yea again they "could" History shows they will not.  So do what worked for them. Go find that young WR and trade for him.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So Again WHY havent they? They do not value that position. That is the reality. So yea again they "could" History shows they will not.  So do what worked for them. Go find that young WR and trade for him.  They have a hard on for defensive players in the draft. That's why. Let's not act like guys they "do not value" haven't worked out for other teams. There are plenty we have passed on. Diggs was also an all pro. You can't forget that. What WR would you trade for right now? It would have to be a legit guy. Getting a guy like Terrace Marshall from the Panthers isn't gonna make any bit of difference because he's "young" Edited October 23, 2023 by Buffalo03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I'd be surprised if you got more than a 6th for Knox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Remember when you said we were good at WR2 like a week ago lmao.  Okay, two seasons. This season is half over, and it's going to end poorly no matter what we do. So it's really just next season. Toss the dead weight and reset.  Banking on 35 year old Von Miller next year and Tre White post second catastrophic injury and old ass Micah and Poyer is foolish. It's over. Half the defense needs to be turned over. Might as well do it now when they have value and we can potentially get some late round picks.  Same thing for Elam. Toss him overboard as well and get his money off the books.  Every dollar we get rid of this year counts less for next year. That's actually not even close to how the cap works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust The Process Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 This team has more holes than Swiss cheese, there's no quick fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: They have a hard on for defensive players in the draft. That's why. Let's not act like guys they "do not value" haven't worked out for other times. There are plenty we have passed on. Diggs was also an all pro. You can't forget that. What WR would you trade for right now? It would have to be a legit guy. Getting a guy like Terrace Marshall from the Panthers isn't gonna make any bit of difference because he's "young" Ok so in 2023 which WR should they have took? 2022 - Which One 2021 - Which one 2020 - Diggs (that young WR) 2019 - passed on Marguise Brown and N'Keal Harry  So please tell me what one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: That's actually not even close to how the cap works Yes it is.  If we trade Von now, it's a $6M hit now, $21M next season, 0 in 2025.  If we trade or cut Von next year as a post 6/1, his dead cap extends into 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlbills13 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 This team has more holes than it can reasonably fill in one trade deadline or even one offseason. So I go and fill the hole that can bring them closest to the Super Bowl. And that is a WR2 in my opinion. The Chiefs, Ravens, Bengals (if they start winning), and even the Jags are going to put up points in January no matter how good your defense is. In today's football you just have to outscore them and pressure their QB. Assuming Miller can even be average, you have a solid pass rush with him, Floyd, Groot and you just need to fill the big hole on offense across from Diggs.  - Dream addition who could be available is probably Mike Evans. Veteran with a ring. Good size, willing blocker. Plays with a fiery personality. Actually think he is what Gabe Davis tries to be so maybe it makes Davis a little redundant as a #3 but oh well. Last year of his deal on a team that isn't quite a contender and probably won't want to pay him big money. Probably more expensive from an asset standpoint but it's not like you'll hand out a 1st or 2nd rounder for a soon to be 30 year old free agent - Dream addition who isn't available but I'd call until they block my number and my backup number is Keenan Allen. Actually think he is everything this team needs and more. And he'd appreciate the ability to go after a ring. - I still like Jeudy's upside and route running. Style of play is a little more like Diggs but maybe he shines when he doesn't have to be the guy. Actually think he is going to be very affordable. But not sure he is actually that good. Maybe an upgrade but does he move the needle? - Might as well jump back into the Hopkins sweepstakes for the 4th time. He's on the decline but he'll get open and I've read before that he is one of the best WR's in the league and adjusting his route when the pocket breaks down and the QB is scrambling. Sounds like the Bills. - Outside of that, I don't think anyone significant is available or attainable for this team.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14774 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I doubt ANY moves are made. If there is, it will be a scrub DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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