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2023 MVP: Lamar will win it with 15 fewer TDs than Josh Allen (end of season talk pg 75+)


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32 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

I believe I remember someone posting that Josh had an 80% completion percentage against the Jets well into the game before he wigged out and started chucking the ball around.  If that's true, then if Josh had been patient and continued doing what he was doing he would have had an 80%+ percentage in 3 out of his 4 games and won the other one by over 30 points.  Yikes.  But he's not accurate and will always be a sub-60% completion guy.

That is correct.  If he had just stayed the course at 13-3, he likely would've ended the game over 80%.  And he would be at 80% for the season.  He's figured it out and making mature decisions. 

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11 hours ago, Strethor said:

I care about the Lombardi trophy not the MVP award 

 

 

You can care about both

10 hours ago, stinky finger said:

 

Agree - who ****ing cares?!?!

Lots of people because seeing a Bills player win MVP would be really cool. Why do you care that people care?

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  • Royale with Cheese changed the title to Josh Allen has jumps up in MVP odds. Was #1 but Mahomes during the Jets game went ahead.
2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

If he played like this every week he might have a chance at MVP but he's too hot or cold. The MVP is good every game, not just good one game then crap the next. We are on to the Jags where he couldn't complete a pass last year so let's not too ahead of ourselves 

 

You said you'd leave the board forever if we drafted Allen, right? What happened?

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5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You throw out that abomination Jets game where Josh was way too amped and he's your mvp front runner after today.  Just stay on script Josh and the turnovers will disappear. 


Feel like even with the week 1 performance he should be the front runner now. Should be some big moves in the odds after today. Allen will surely overtake Tua who was the leader before today’s games. I’m just not sure he will leap Mahomes although he should in both my biased AND unbiased opinions.

5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I was waiting for transplant to start this thread. Hopefully it ends better than your last one


I got a good feeling about this one.

 

Nearly the entire national media was crapping on the Bills before this season started. Factor in the dreadful week 1 performance and it only makes sense that this is the year Allen does actually win the MVP.

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4 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

The national narrative was correct. When he tries too hard and takes too many chances it hurts the team. He has obviously learned from that game.  He is playing calm and under control and taking chances when they make sense.  Being embarrassed on national TV might have been the best thing to happen to Allen.  He is playing the best football he has played since the KC playoff game.  


I’m still not even 100% sold on this theory of Allen needing to calm down and him having figured that out.

 

1. Not sure he needs to calm down.

 

2. If he does, not sold we won’t see one or two more repeats of the Jets game later this season.

 

So many of Allen’s great WOW plays are also plays where the first instinct should be don’t try this just throw it away or eat it for a sack .  But for every bonehead play Allen makes, he makes two spectacular plays.

 

The real difference in the Jets game is that the Bills could have handed the ball off for the rest of that game in the second half and likely gotten the W.

 

But we will have playoff games where we rely on Allen having that 2:1 ratio of  WOW plays to boneheaded plays. 

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4 hours ago, 947 said:

Josh will probably always be the first half MVP favorite. Then we'll have a rain game followed by 2 games with 40mph wind, while the other candidates play in perfect weather.


The biggest deciding factor for MVP has always been team record and specifically obtaining the 1 seed in your conference. Bad weather does not play a factor in that regard. 
 

Also of note this year, Bills play at LA Charger and @ Miami in two of their last three games of the year. Weather won’t be a problem for either. 

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5 hours ago, DapperCam said:

No players have really separated themselves at this point. The top 6 or 7 QBs all have similar stats. Let’s see where things are in a month, there will be more separation.

 

No players have separated themselves yet?

 

In your eyes, which 6-7 QBs are in contention for the MVP?

 

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3 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Mahomes is the MVP. Allen will need to double Mahomes stats to win, so just focus on getting the #1 seed. Take it one week at a time. 


If the Bills get the 1 seed Allenwill be MVP. I don’t see Mahomes having stats advantage this year that can overcome Allen and the Bills having the 1 seed. 
 

It is very early but IMO we have three man race right now with Allen, Mahomes and McCaffery. Lamar could factor in but let’s see if he can last a full season. Also seems unlikely they would get the 1 seed over Buffalo or KC. 

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10 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:


If the Bills get the 1 seed Allenwill be MVP. I don’t see Mahomes having stats advantage this year that can overcome Allen and the Bills having the 1 seed. 
 

It is very early but IMO we have three man race right now with Allen, Mahomes and McCaffery. Lamar could factor in but let’s see if he can last a full season. Also seems unlikely they would get the 1 seed over Buffalo or KC. 

Mahomes will be MVP period. Allen can go 80% 4500 yards 35 TDs / 12 picks and 8 rushing TDs, but that won’t matter. Mahomes will win it if he’s 65% 5000 yards 30 TDs and 10 picks with 4 rushing TDs. Holding Allen down is personal to the powers that be. 

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4 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

If he played like this every week he might have a chance at MVP but he's too hot or cold. The MVP is good every game, not just good one game then crap the next. We are on to the Jags where he couldn't complete a pass last year so let's not too ahead of ourselves 

Ummm…he’s played outstanding at the position 3/4 games played back to back to back, but by your logic wouldn’t Tua and Mahomes now also be dunzo in the category given their middling performances today? 🤷🏼‍♂️

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53 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Mahomes will be MVP period. Allen can go 80% 4500 yards 35 TDs / 12 picks and 8 rushing TDs, but that won’t matter. Mahomes will win it if he’s 65% 5000 yards 30 TDs and 10 picks with 4 rushing TDs. Holding Allen down is personal to the powers that be. 

 

The fact of the matter is Allen has never been on a team with the 1 seed. I think the last five MVP's from most recent have been Mahomes, Rodgers, Rodgers, Lamar and Mahomes. In every instance they were all on a team that finished first in their conference. 

 

In your scenario, if each player has those stats, they very well could give it to Mahomes if the Chiefs are the 1 seed. 

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5 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Ummm…he’s played outstanding at the position 3/4 games played back to back to back, but by your logic wouldn’t Tua and Mahomes now also be dunzo in the category given their middling performances today? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Uhh what? Tua completed 71% of his passes for almost 300 yards and a TD. You think that's bad? Wake me up when he has a mental collapse with 4 turnovers and tries to jump over 2 people 7 yards short of a 1st down. Josh has at least 2 more games like that in him for the season starting this week with Jax.

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