chongli Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) Position - No. - Name - 2022 Crew - Yrs. Exp. - College - Occupation R - 130 - Land Clark - 6 - n/a - Sevier Valley Tech - chief building official U - 21 - Paul King - 15 - same - Nichols College - teacher DJ - 68 - Tom Stephan - 25 - same - Pittsburg State - retired business broker LJ - 40 - Brian Bolinger - 7 - same - Indiana State - corporate safety director FJ - 26 - Jabir Walker - 9 - Hussey - Murray State - middle school teacher SJ - 114 - Dominique Pender - 4 - same - Howard - trade support, finance and banking BJ - 88 - Brad Freeman - 10 - Hussey - Mississippi State - sports park director RO - n/a - Bob Hubbell - 4 - Rogers - Texas A&M - unknown RA - n/a - Jim Van Geffen - rookie - n/a - unknown - unknown ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Land Clark was #8 out of 17 on the most recent referee power rankings (2015): https://samsonthebeard.com/referee-power-rankings/ "8. Land Clark Land is a wunderkind, becoming a referee after only 2 years in the league. Ironically, he loves flying and cruises." https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/who-is-land-clark-and-what-is-going-on-with-his-officiating-crew-in-bills/article_1cd40a4e-3ffc-11ec-b6e2-4b1285676883.html [subscription required] "Who is Land Clark and what is going on with his officiating ..." Edited September 20, 2023 by chongli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Obligatory 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 I had the misfortune of being at that Jags game in 2021. Can't decide what was worse, Land Clark's officiating or the stupid Duuuuval chants 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 One of those Mayflower names. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: One of those Mayflower names. LOL...this is so true. Also, a first name than is a last name and vice-versa, liked "Mason Rudolph". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Ugh, we just lost, fuuuuuuudge!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Negan said: Ugh, we just lost, fuuuuuuudge!!!!!! Dawson better be careful with his taunting this time, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, chongli said: Dawson better be careful with his taunting this time, lol. Pretty sure the Bills have never won an away game with this joke of a ref. Think he reffed the last year's either away at Jets(L) or at Miami game(L). Plus that awful Jacksonville game where phantom holding calls were called on the Bills all afternoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Oh no. He sucks. Worst ref in the league. He reminds me of Robert Carradine (Revenge of the Nerds). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, chongli said: Dawson better be careful with his taunting this time, lol. Well if the refs don't consider Josh refusing to throw it deep and picking up chunks of ground in the middle taunting we good. I mean it could be taken that way. Edited September 20, 2023 by AuntieEm 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, buffblue said: I had the misfortune of being at that Jags game in 2021. I am so sorry. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Obligatory Damn, I was very young when this came out. Never knew about it. It was funny as hell though. Good 70's humor. Edited September 20, 2023 by chongli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, chongli said: Damn, I was very young when this came out. Never knew about it. It was funny as hell though. Good 70's humor. I remember seeing the original broadcast on I believe Ed Sullivan of sonny and Cher singing I got you baby. I was 5 or 6 yrs old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 26 minutes ago, chongli said: Damn, I was very young when this came out. Never knew about it. It was funny as hell though. Good 70's humor. Semi-OT but I just finally this one after last night's Steelers-Browns game reminded me to look for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 23 minutes ago, AuntieEm said: sonny and Cher singing I got you baby There are some things from the 70's I choose not to remember, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Does he let the DBs play? I want to see Kaier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 45 minutes ago, chongli said: There are some things from the 70's I choose not to remember, lol. The song came out in 1965 bout the time of the afl champion Bills with Jack Kemp as qb. And we had a cookie on that championship team too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 hours ago, chongli said: Position - No. - Name - 2022 Crew - Yrs. Exp. - College - Occupation R - 130 - Land Clark - 6 - n/a - Sevier Valley Tech - chief building official U - 21 - Paul King - 15 - same - Nichols College - teacher DJ - 68 - Tom Stephan - 25 - same - Pittsburg State - retired business broker LJ - 40 - Brian Bolinger - 7 - same - Indiana State - corporate safety director FJ - 26 - Jabir Walker - 9 - Hussey - Murray State - middle school teacher SJ - 114 - Dominique Pender - 4 - same - Howard - trade support, finance and banking BJ - 88 - Brad Freeman - 10 - Hussey - Mississippi State - sports park director RO - n/a - Bob Hubbell - 4 - Rogers - Texas A&M - unknown RA - n/a - Jim Van Geffen - rookie - n/a - unknown - unknown ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Land Clark was #8 out of 17 on the most recent referee power rankings (2015): https://samsonthebeard.com/referee-power-rankings/ "8. Land Clark Land is a wunderkind, becoming a referee after only 2 years in the league. Ironically, he loves flying and cruises." https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/who-is-land-clark-and-what-is-going-on-with-his-officiating-crew-in-bills/article_1cd40a4e-3ffc-11ec-b6e2-4b1285676883.html [subscription required] "Who is Land Clark and what is going on with his officiating ..." A lot of this is from 2021. People do get better at their jobs. Any recent intel? Has he ref'd any Bills games since the Jaguars? Why did Warren Sharp call him a "plague" last January 2nd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Negan said: Pretty sure the Bills have never won an away game with this joke of a ref. Think he reffed the last year's either away at Jets(L) or at Miami game(L). Plus that awful Jacksonville game where phantom holding calls were called on the Bills all afternoon Yeah this is not good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Beck Water said: A lot of this is from 2021. People do get better at their jobs. Any recent intel? Has he ref'd any Bills games since the Jaguars? Why did Warren Sharp call him a "plague" last January 2nd? All good questions. I don't have much time, but I found this: This was Week 17 last season and the Steelers won against the Ravens 16-13 but could have lost due to Land Clark's unnecessary roughness penalty against Cam Heyward. https://fansided.com/2023/01/01/refs-screw-steelers-playoff-race-cam-heyward-penalty/ The refs for the Steelers and Ravens stirred up controversy when they hit Cam Heyward with a costly and questionable unnecessary roughness penalty. [...] With seconds left before halftime, Pittsburgh got a third-down stop that would have forced Baltimore to settle for a field goal. However, there was some pushing and shoving on the post-tackle pile that resulted in an unnecessary roughness penalty against Cam Heyward. Immediately, fans questioned the call. It looked relatively harmless. At most, there could have been offsetting penalties since Heyward had been grabbed by Baltimore players in the pile in the first place. Instead, only one side got a major punishment for something minor. The Ravens got a first down as a result and promptly scored a touchdown on a pass from Tyler Huntley to Isaiah Likely. In essence, Baltimore got four extra points because of the penalty. By the fourth quarter, the four-point margin between the teams was notable. The Steelers have been clinging to hopes of making the playoffs, winning five of their last seven since starting the season 2-6. The game against the Ravens was a must-win. A loss would eliminate Pittsburgh." https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2023/1/2/23535529/official-from-week-17-tries-to-explain-unnecessary-roughness-penalty-on-cam-heyward-steelers-ravens "It was a 4-point swing, and until Kenny Pickett and the offense’s late-game heroics, it looked as if those points would be the deciding factor in the game. So, what happened which resulted in the flag being thrown? This is what referee Land Clark told a pool reporter after the game. “Well, there was some pushing and shoving after the play,” referee Land Clark told a pool reporter after the game via Ray Fittipaldo of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. “No. 97 continued to push after the play, and that’s why it was called.” In the locker room after the game, Heyward sang a different tune. Nonetheless, he didn’t run and hide from the play, instead focusing on getting his defense ready for the second half. “I got pulled back down, and it looks like hit the ref,” Heyward said. “We were able to regroup at halftime. Swallowed my pride and just kept going.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, chongli said: All good questions. I don't have much time, but I found this: This was Week 17 last season and the Steelers won against the Ravens 16-13 but could have lost due to Land Clark's unnecessary roughness penalty against Cam Heyward. https://fansided.com/2023/01/01/refs-screw-steelers-playoff-race-cam-heyward-penalty/ The refs for the Steelers and Ravens stirred up controversy when they hit Cam Heyward with a costly and questionable unnecessary roughness penalty. [...] With seconds left before halftime, Pittsburgh got a third-down stop that would have forced Baltimore to settle for a field goal. However, there was some pushing and shoving on the post-tackle pile that resulted in an unnecessary roughness penalty against Cam Heyward. Immediately, fans questioned the call. It looked relatively harmless. At most, there could have been offsetting penalties since Heyward had been grabbed by Baltimore players in the pile in the first place. Instead, only one side got a major punishment for something minor. The Ravens got a first down as a result and promptly scored a touchdown on a pass from Tyler Huntley to Isaiah Likely. In essence, Baltimore got four extra points because of the penalty. By the fourth quarter, the four-point margin between the teams was notable. The Steelers have been clinging to hopes of making the playoffs, winning five of their last seven since starting the season 2-6. The game against the Ravens was a must-win. A loss would eliminate Pittsburgh." https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2023/1/2/23535529/official-from-week-17-tries-to-explain-unnecessary-roughness-penalty-on-cam-heyward-steelers-ravens "It was a 4-point swing, and until Kenny Pickett and the offense’s late-game heroics, it looked as if those points would be the deciding factor in the game. So, what happened which resulted in the flag being thrown? This is what referee Land Clark told a pool reporter after the game. “Well, there was some pushing and shoving after the play,” referee Land Clark told a pool reporter after the game via Ray Fittipaldo of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. “No. 97 continued to push after the play, and that’s why it was called.” In the locker room after the game, Heyward sang a different tune. Nonetheless, he didn’t run and hide from the play, instead focusing on getting his defense ready for the second half. “I got pulled back down, and it looks like hit the ref,” Heyward said. “We were able to regroup at halftime. Swallowed my pride and just kept going.” I choose "thanks" to you and 🤮 to this story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Any advantage in having Brad Freeman (Steve's son) on this crew? We should get all the close calls, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 6 hours ago, AuntieEm said: I remember seeing the original broadcast on I believe Ed Sullivan of sonny and Cher singing I got you baby. I was 5 or 6 yrs old. 6 hours ago, chongli said: There are some things from the 70's I choose not to remember, lol. I've got some bad news for you, chongli. That song came out in 1965, not the seventies. I saw Sonny & Cher (who were already big stars) opening for the Beach Boys at the Auditorium Theater in Rochester in 1967. They sang "I've got you babe". The Beach Boys sang their new hit single, "I Wish They All Could Be California Girls" - first time I had heard it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 10 hours ago, buffblue said: I had the misfortune of being at that Jags game in 2021. Can't decide what was worse, Land Clark's officiating or the stupid Duuuuval chants Wow! You were privileged to be at Urban Meyer's only career win as a coach. What an honor. 🤮 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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