Submarine meant to view Titanic wreck loses contact at bottom of sea

[Nextmanup]

As far as I know these people have about 48 hours left.

 

 

[Irv]

What an awful way to go.  

[NoSaint]

19 minutes ago, Irv said:

What an awful way to go.  

depending what happened it could be very quick and painless, as ways go. 
 

or much worse. 

[That's No Moon]

18 minutes ago, Irv said:

What an awful way to go.  

If it was a catastrophic hull failure it was quick.  Rather that then being stuck sitting on the bottom waiting for your oxygen to run out.

[dpberr]

From what I understand about the sub, it had no redundancy in operations - there was no plan B for power or communication. It had crude design - controlled by a PlayStation controller and navigated by text message. Dangerously naive.

 

It all sounds like a very bad idea. There are fishing boats that hit the lake with more robust design.

 

If they happen to survive, there's no way they should be permitted to do it again.

[Nextmanup]

5 minutes ago, dpberr said:

From what I understand about the sub, it had no redundancy in operations - there was no plan B for power or communication. It had crude design - controlled by a PlayStation controller and navigated by text message. Dangerously naive.

 

It all sounds like a very bad idea. There are fishing boats that hit the lake with more robust design.

 

If they happen to survive, there's no way they should be permitted to do it again.

I've been watching a lot of video on this story and I think you're wrong about that.

in fact, it has like 4 or 5 redundancy built into it for certain functions, particularly air supply. 

 

Maybe in other parameters it doesn't have back ups though.  There is only 1 of these in the world, and it has proven to be very cantankerous.  They have been trying to get customers down to the Titanic all year and I think I read that they only got there once or maybe not at all.  Apparently the weather in that part of the N. Atlantic has been as bad as it's been in 40 years with climate change and what not.

 

I'd be shocked if these people survive, but stranger things have happened.

 

 

[T&C]

Full story:

 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/ap-top-news/2023/06/19/a-search-is-underway-for-missing-submersible-that-takes-people-to-see-titanic

[Punching Bag]

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David Concannon, an adviser to OceanGate, said the submersible had a 96-hour oxygen supply starting at roughly 6 a.m. Sunday.

 

That is 4 days of air.  Out of air at 6 am on Thursday but there are things they can do to extend amount of time.

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OceanGate’s expeditions to the Titanic wreck site include archaeologists and marine biologists. The company also brings people who pay to come along, known as “mission specialists.” They take turns operating sonar equipment and performing other tasks in the five-person submersible. The Coast Guard said Monday that there was one pilot and four “mission specialists” aboard.

 

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U.K. businessman Hamish Harding was one of the mission specialists, according to Action Aviation, a company for which Harding serves as chairman. The company’s managing director, Mark Butler, told the AP that the crew set out on Friday.

 

“There is still plenty of time to facilitate a rescue mission, there is equipment on board for survival in this event,” Butler said. “We’re all hoping and praying he comes back safe and sound.”

 

Harding is a billionaire adventurer who holds three Guinness World Records, including the longest duration at full ocean depth by a crewed vessel. In March 2021, he and ocean explorer Victor Vescovo dived to the lowest depth of the Mariana Trench. In June 2022, he went into space on Blue Origin’s New Shepard rocket.

 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Salespeople

 

Bored money

 

perfect storm

 

 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

God bless the explorers of the world- they're going to make it

 

In forgotten Titanic news, this was a great movie scene:

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

11 hours ago, Irv said:

What an awful way to go.  

Just imagine 16 days! And they were almost "right there."  ...Not like 13,000 feet below the surface of the ocean. They probably heard rescuers:

 

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/pearl-harbor-16-days-to-die.html?andro=1&chrome=1

10 hours ago, dpberr said:

From what I understand about the sub, it had no redundancy in operations - there was no plan B for power or communication. It had crude design - controlled by a PlayStation controller and navigated by text message. Dangerously naive.

 

It all sounds like a very bad idea. There are fishing boats that hit the lake with more robust design.

 

If they happen to survive, there's no way they should be permitted to do it again.

That's insane... For a $250,000 ticket?

 

And people WERE/are complaining about the price of eggs and Bills PSL! 😏 

[ExiledInIllinois]

10 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I've been watching a lot of video on this story and I think you're wrong about that.

in fact, it has like 4 or 5 redundancy built into it for certain functions, particularly air supply. 

 

Maybe in other parameters it doesn't have back ups though.  There is only 1 of these in the world, and it has proven to be very cantankerous.  They have been trying to get customers down to the Titanic all year and I think I read that they only got there once or maybe not at all.  Apparently the weather in that part of the N. Atlantic has been as bad as it's been in 40 years with climate change and what not.

 

I'd be shocked if these people survive, but stranger things have happened.

 

 

NOTE to Self: MUST not say anything.  LoL... 😉 😜 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just for reference.  What's out there in this remote area of the North Atlantic. You'd think one of these guys would spot it:

 

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-52.3/centery:46.9/zoom:3

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Just imagine 16 days! And they were almost "right there."  ...Not like 13,000 feet below the surface of the ocean. They probably heard rescuers:

 

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/pearl-harbor-16-days-to-die.html?andro=1&chrome=1

That's insane... For a $250,000 ticket?

 

And people WERE/are complaining about the price of eggs and Bills PSL! 😏 

then there is the complete opposite with the Byford dolphin pressurization incident. 
 

of course that was above water and by default kind of the opposite concern from this one, but not a distant cousin of the topic. 

Edited June 20, 2023 by NoSaint

[Nextmanup]

Former Royal Navy Commander says the submersible looks "a typical garden shed arrangement" and its "an absolute death trap...I wouldn't go in it."

 

Picking up on what dpberr was saying earlier.

 

 

49 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Just for reference.  What's out there in this remote area of the North Atlantic. You'd think one of these guys would spot it:

 

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-52.3/centery:46.9/zoom:3

That's an interesting graphic, because I have seen several experts, including a former captain of a US nuclear attack submarine, say that the Titanic is in a REALLY REMOTE area and there just isn't much stuff around there....though it might be possible for some sort of civil or merchant ship to be in the area.

 

The graphic makes it look pretty busy, though those ships are on a small graphic that actually represents thousands of nautical miles.  There might not be that many ships that are usefully very close to the Titanic.

 

 

 

 

[The Avenger]

This is a terrible situation and I pray that it doesn't have a terrible outcome.

 

That said, I hope that (especially if thongs work out successfully) money can be recovered for the effort of the USCG and US and Canadian navies. Spending what is probably millions of dollars to assist a for profit company catering to uber-wealthy clients tics me off - you do risky things you should accept those risks and be prepared to pay up if you get in over your head and need very costly help.

[Nextmanup]

2 minutes ago, The Avenger said:

This is a terrible situation and I pray that it doesn't have a terrible outcome.

 

That said, I hope that (especially if thongs work out successfully) money can be recovered for the effort of the USCG and US and Canadian navies. Spending what is probably millions of dollars to assist a for profit company catering to uber-wealthy clients tics me off - you do risky things you should accept those risks and be prepared to pay up if you get in over your head and need very costly help.

I understand where you're coming from, but the coast guard is in business, in part, to be just this sort of thing.  I'm sure the cost involved is high, but it's in their operating budget to begin with.  

 

The odds of anyone on that thing surviving are close to zero, if they are not already dead, so it really is a sad situation all around.

 

 

[teef]

this story has been fascinating me today as well.  last i saw they dropped sonar in the area in hope to hear knocking, noises, etc.   i really need to know what happened.

[ExiledInIllinois]

30 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Former Royal Navy Commander says the submersible looks "a typical garden shed arrangement" and its "an absolute death trap...I wouldn't go in it."

 

Picking up on what dpberr was saying earlier.

 

 

That's an interesting graphic, because I have seen several experts, including a former captain of a US nuclear attack submarine, say that the Titanic is in a REALLY REMOTE area and there just isn't much stuff around there....though it might be possible for some sort of civil or merchant ship to be in the area.

 

The graphic makes it look pretty busy, though those ships are on a small graphic that actually represents thousands of nautical miles.  There might not be that many ships that are usefully very close to the Titanic.

 

 

 

 

That's not a graphic. That's AiS. Vessels moving in real time. Totally interactive. Click on any of them.

 

Even the USCG Commander was acknowledging getting input from commercial interests.  He knows it's very busy out there...

 

True about the miles and scaling...

[T&C]

34 minutes ago, The Avenger said:

Spending what is probably millions of dollars to assist a for profit company catering to uber-wealthy clients tics me off - you do risky things you should accept those risks and be prepared to pay up if you get in over your head and need very costly help.

Is this where you're at?