Education in America

[Big Blitz]

Attacker must have panicked when the sub asked him to put his cell phone away 

 

—CNN Criminal Profiler 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

If you hear about the absenteeism being out of control, it is not a joke. I have an Honors class in the middle of the day where 19 of 26 already have 10+ absences. Generally at 10 absences for the year and A is hard to reach. 10 of the students are on pace for 20 absences and at that point a B is generally unrealistic. How is a teacher responsible for kids they don't see?

[Tommy Callahan]

Public education is turning into social education/indoctrination centers and are failing on their mandate to educate the children..

 

Other counties are eating our kids lunch when they try to enter the market with defective skills.

 

Anyone that can afford it.  Sends their kids to private.   People spend half their pay to live in areas that have decent districts. The rest fight for charters and consider homeschooling. 

 

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Public education is turning into social education/indoctrination centers and are failing on their mandate to educate the children..

 

Other counties are eating our kids lunch when they try to enter the market with defective skills.

 

Anyone that can afford it.  Sends their kids to private.   People spend half their pay to live in areas that have decent districts. The rest fight for charters and consider homeschooling. 

 

 

 

 

Socialist doctrines produce and attract losers.  You won't find many high-performers among them.

Edited March 6 by All_Pro_Bills

[The Frankish Reich]

21 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

If you hear about the absenteeism being out of control, it is not a joke. I have an Honors class in the middle of the day where 19 of 26 already have 10+ absences. Generally at 10 absences for the year and A is hard to reach. 10 of the students are on pace for 20 absences and at that point a B is generally unrealistic. How is a teacher responsible for kids they don't see?

How is this even possible? Are the parents just completely disconnected? Do these kids (Honors) expect to go to college?

[All_Pro_Bills]

Its not just dumb kids doing dumb things.

 

By a 13-2 vote, the 6 win, 21 loss, Dartmouth men's college basketball team voted to join Local 560 of the Service Employees International Union. 

 

The school responded to the situation with a statement, "The students on the men’s basketball team are not in any way employed by Dartmouth. For Ivy League students who are varsity athletes, academics are of primary importance, and athletic pursuit is part of the educational experience. Classifying these students as employees simply because they play basketball is as unprecedented as it is inaccurate."

 

The Ivy League doesn't give athletic scholarships, but does give need-based ones. The total annual cost of attendance at Dartmouth for the current academic year is $87,315.  Good grief!

 

Whether your views are left, center, or right, its got to be hard to believe anything other than our system is broken.

Edited March 6 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tommy Callahan]

11 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

How is this even possible? Are the parents just completely disconnected? Do these kids (Honors) expect to go to college?

When one is a product of their environment, they don't see the future, they see it one day at a time. it's called the hustle/servival.

 

  

 

people from Sheltered upbringings don't understand because they have never lived or experienced it.

 

 

 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

When one is a product of their environment, they don't see the future, they see it one day at a time. it's called the hustle/servival.

 

  

 

people from Sheltered upbringings don't understand because they have never lived or experienced it.

 

 

 

 

 

I'll wait for @Orlando Tim to answer, but I kind of doubt these are kids who see "no future." My experience (just from the parent side) is that if anything they have too much self-esteem and too much confidence in their ability to get ahead without doing the work.

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Tommy Callahan said:

When one is a product of their environment, they don't see the future, they see it one day at a time. it's called the hustle/servival.

 

  

 

people from Sheltered upbringings don't understand because they have never lived or experienced it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

How is this even possible? Are the parents just completely disconnected? Do these kids (Honors) expect to go to college?

What Frank said about too high self esteem is not off the mark for many of these kids. I will state most of the kids I teach have parents who have money to pay full freight for a college, so scholarships and such are not top of mind. Also most colleges have acceptance rates north of 50% so being from my school and being a 3.0 gpa kid gets you into most schools. During 2021 COVID was top of mind and kids stayed home with minor colds, and that seems to be continuing, which is an issue. Lastly I definitely have the kids who don't care about college or the future also, but the issue we have is we can't kick them out really until they turn 19 even if they are not doing much of anything.

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

 

What Frank said about too high self esteem is not off the mark for many of these kids. I will state most of the kids I teach have parents who have money to pay full freight for a college, so scholarships and such are not top of mind. Also most colleges have acceptance rates north of 50% so being from my school and being a 3.0 gpa kid gets you into most schools. During 2021 COVID was top of mind and kids stayed home with minor colds, and that seems to be continuing, which is an issue. Lastly I definitely have the kids who don't care about college or the future also, but the issue we have is we can't kick them out really until they turn 19 even if they are not doing much of anything.

My bad. I thought you taught city kids.

 

interesting to read how that's moved onto the privileged class as well.

 

 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

46 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

interesting to read how that's moved onto the privileged class as well.

And if you listen to them, a lot of these kids really believe they’ll be an influencer or YouTube star, so finishing high school and going to college is just a thing you do until that becomes a reality. 
I know it’s an “ok boomer” comment, but there really is a culture of laziness. 

[Tommy Callahan]

13 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And if you listen to them, a lot of these kids really believe they’ll be an influencer or YouTube star, so finishing high school and going to college is just a thing you do until that becomes a reality. 
I know it’s an “ok boomer” comment, but there really is a culture of laziness. 

that's insane but explains a lot of what's going on.  

 

 

 

 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And if you listen to them, a lot of these kids really believe they’ll be an influencer or YouTube star, so finishing high school and going to college is just a thing you do until that becomes a reality. 
I know it’s an “ok boomer” comment, but there really is a culture of laziness. 

 

Or they have mommy's and daddy's money and/or basement to fall back on.

[B-Man]

 

 

LOL.

 

Prof: Universities Are Unprepared for a GOP Administration That Will 'Defund Grievance Studies'

 

 

 

 

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/03/07/prof-universities-are-unprepared-for-a-gop-administration-that-will-defund-grievance-studies-n2393735

[Big Blitz]

She died.  
 

 

But it’s the guns.  
 

Country is spiraling.  
 

By design.  
 

We told you this.  

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[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

This counts.  What happened on the court today in a WOMAN’S game.  Absolutely embarrassing.  
 

It shouldn’t happen in men’s games.  Woman now?   
 

Society in complete free fall.  
 

 

Ladies, remember, you’re better than men.  Stop emulating the worst traits of the worst of the genders.  
 

Don’t be like the men.  Be better.  

[Big Blitz]

It’s the guns….

 

 

 

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[Big Blitz]

This won’t be read by the people that absolutely need to read it.  
 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

i need an explanation of how the mother got  in trouble. This was a good lesson to the bully, and if my kid was the bully I certainly would not be pressing charges

 

[BillStime]

On 9/4/2023 at 10:27 AM, Tommy Callahan said:

Why should I pay taxes for underperforming, others college education, Disabled students..........

Sound familiar? 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[Orlando Tim]

A good friend of mine is right now dealing a POS principal who has instructed her not to teach the "Outsiders" in 8th grade despite it being approved by the state for that level. The teacher has taught it for 10 years without objection because she informs parents at begining of year, in January and just this week before she starts it on March 25th. Parents can opt for an alternative assignment but the principal is pretending that she is concerned about the law when it has been approved for 8th graders. When I see headlines about how difficult this law is to follow I get pissed because it is easy to follow and this teacher has gone out of her way to ensure parents with immature children have an alternative. 

[daz28]

On 3/16/2024 at 7:55 PM, BillStime said:

Sound familiar? 

 

 

He's a hero and John McCain isn't, because it's hard to get captured loading boxes in Japan.  MAGA logic.

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Just to be clear - was he an illegal immigrant? 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

A good friend of mine is right now dealing a POS principal who has instructed her not to teach the "Outsiders" in 8th grade despite it being approved by the state for that level. The teacher has taught it for 10 years without objection because she informs parents at begining of year, in January and just this week before she starts it on March 25th. Parents can opt for an alternative assignment but the principal is pretending that she is concerned about the law when it has been approved for 8th graders. When I see headlines about how difficult this law is to follow I get pissed because it is easy to follow and this teacher has gone out of her way to ensure parents with immature children have an alternative. 

 

How much of this is lib admin essentially being a prick about the law and is going to show everyone how “ridiculous” it is?  
 

I can also see conservative or at least completely indifferent admin that just want to do their job being worried about someone coming after them all in the name of this “vile” law.  

[LeviF]

I don’t share the sympathies for teachers and school admins that Mr. Archer appears to have, but the inevitable “why” asked by journalists when shown results such as these in schools with the kinds of resources that LeBron has enabled this one to have almost always results in “must be the teachers’ fault” (or if they’re very bought in, some kind of “structural racism” line). 

[Doc]

8 hours ago, LeviF said:

I don’t share the sympathies for teachers and school admins that Mr. Archer appears to have, but the inevitable “why” asked by journalists when shown results such as these in schools with the kinds of resources that LeBron has enabled this one to have almost always results in “must be the teachers’ fault” (or if they’re very bought in, some kind of “structural racism” line). 

 

This only proves that it's mostly on the parents and then the kids.  

[LeviF]

26 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

This only proves that it's mostly on the parents and then the kids.  

 

I mean, yes, but probably not in the way you mean it.

[Doc]

55 minutes ago, LeviF said:

I mean, yes, but probably not in the way you mean it.

 

Meaning parents aren't stressing education and kids aren't studying.  Did you mean something different?

[LeviF]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Meaning parents aren't stressing education and kids aren't studying.  Did you mean something different?

 

I mean the kids are simply not capable. And since intelligence is highly heritable, they can thank their parents for that.

 

The blank slate insists that if "anybody" just studies hard enough they can grasp and apply algebraic concepts. This is simply untrue.

 

Now are there a couple of these kids that may be able to understand 8th grade math well enough that simply have no structure or support at home? Sure. But do we really think the vast majority of them, given that this is a school specifically targeted to and structured for "at risk" kids, could pass 8th grade math standards even with such structure and support?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, LeviF said:

I mean the kids are simply not capable. And since intelligence is highly heritable, they can thank their parents for that.

 

The blank slate insists that if "anybody" just studies hard enough they can grasp and apply algebraic concepts. This is simply untrue.

 

Now are there a couple of these kids that may be able to understand 8th grade math well enough that simply have no structure or support at home? Sure. But do we really think the vast majority of them, given that this is a school specifically targeted to and structured for "at risk" kids, could pass 8th grade math standards even with such structure and support?

 

I think some simply aren't capable.  But I think a lot are just unmotivated.  The old "you can lead a horse to water..."

[Orlando Tim]

5 hours ago, LeviF said:

 

I mean the kids are simply not capable. And since intelligence is highly heritable, they can thank their parents for that.

 

The blank slate insists that if "anybody" just studies hard enough they can grasp and apply algebraic concepts. This is simply untrue.

 

Now are there a couple of these kids that may be able to understand 8th grade math well enough that simply have no structure or support at home? Sure. But do we really think the vast majority of them, given that this is a school specifically targeted to and structured for "at risk" kids, could pass 8th grade math standards even with such structure and support?

The concept of being proficient at math at these ages is much more along the lines of effort for 90% of students, because the math is simply not difficult.  I have only had a few students, about 5-8%, who truly could not complete up to the level when they tried. Much of the issue is simply showing up to class and working through concepts, which is primarily on parents. The way that LeBron has set up the school is truly no better for these kids than the local public school since there is no requirement that parents be involved. LeBron is not the problem but he is not the solution at all. 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Orlando Tim said:

The concept of being proficient at math at these ages is much more along the lines of effort for 90% of students, because the math is simply not difficult.  I have only had a few students, about 5-8%, who truly could not complete up to the level when they tried. Much of the issue is simply showing up to class and working through concepts, which is primarily on parents. The way that LeBron has set up the school is truly no better for these kids than the local public school since there is no requirement that parents be involved. LeBron is not the problem but he is not the solution at all. 

Been a while (but not that long of a while), but that basically agrees with my experience.

Class of 30 (Catholic school, so class sizes are larger): probably 20 kids doing just fine. 7-8 kids just not trying, partly on parents and partly on legitimate attention issues. Maybe 2 or 3 who just seem not to get it no matter what they or their parents do. So mostly effort, but there are some maturity and/or innate issues that also show up in a small percentage of kids.

[daz28]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Been a while (but not that long of a while), but that basically agrees with my experience.

Class of 30 (Catholic school, so class sizes are larger): probably 20 kids doing just fine. 7-8 kids just not trying, partly on parents and partly on legitimate attention issues. Maybe 2 or 3 who just seem not to get it no matter what they or their parents do. So mostly effort, but there are some maturity and/or innate issues that also show up in a small percentage of kids.

There's also a cultural issue.  There's always been a percentage of kids too cool for school, but that group seems to be larger now.  Dangerous minds gave us insight into this 30 years ago.  The parents in the community need to be the catalysts, so again it falls back into the laps of the parents.  The kids with disabilities have special resources, and health-care(thanks libs) to help deal with their disabilities.  Capitalism isn't going to be kind to them no matter what.   

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, daz28 said:

Capitalism isn't going to be kind to them no matter what

It's dangerously un-woke to say it, and I wouldn't want it to apply before a kid is about 13, but ...

... there is something to be said for a different/vocational track for some kids. It is not doing them any good to keep them in traditional college-prep high school, struggling through algebra and geometry and a foreign language and all that. There is nothing wrong with letting kids who seem to be continuously struggling (regardless of individualized education plans and other interventions) step away from the academic track and start learning marketable skills that don't require higher math, etc. In fact, we're not doing them any favors by forcing continuing failure on them.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

It's dangerously un-woke to say it, and I wouldn't want it to apply before a kid is about 13, but ...

... there is something to be said for a different/vocational track for some kids. It is not doing them any good to keep them in traditional college-prep high school, struggling through algebra and geometry and a foreign language and all that. There is nothing wrong with letting kids who seem to be continuously struggling (regardless of individualized education plans and other interventions) step away from the academic track and start learning marketable skills that don't require higher math, etc. In fact, we're not doing them any favors by forcing continuing failure on them.

 

Not everyone was meant for college.  There's nothing wrong being going to a trade school.