MrEpsYtown Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Rookies are just that rookies. You can only take so much away from their first year, especially if they are playing behind veterans. That said, I don’t think that Bernard is a middle linebacker. I wonder if the actual plan is to move Milano to middle and Bernard to outside because basically Bernard is a Milanos clone without the production yet Personally, this would not be my plan. Give me a middle linebacker that can move and has good imstincts that can tackle well. We bought the band back together again at safety so that will help Beane actually adressed that and said they will not move Milano. Those other guys will compete for the mike spot but they will continue to look to add. Translation imo, they are drafting our new mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: Beane actually adressed that and said they will not move Milano. Those other guys will compete for the mike spot but they will continue to look to add. Translation imo, they are drafting our new mike Thank you I didn’t see that That makes life easier for me because I didn’t want that anyway, I am perfectly OK with Terrell Benard just sitting in a back up position and getting a new mic with some beef on him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Thank you I didn’t see that That makes life easier for me because I didn’t want that anyway, I am perfectly OK with Terrell Benard just sitting in a back up position and getting a new mic with some beef on him He brought up Dodson, Bernard and Spector. Its all lip service stuff. I don’t believe him for a second. I think there is a chance they will still add Wagner or Tranquill, or someone who gets released. I love Jack Campbell, my gut tells me they love Trenton Simpson, and Sanders is the second coming of Tremaine. So we shall see where it goes. It’s still early, but I think they draft a guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottLaw Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 8 hours ago, boyst said: Neither are suited for MLB in this defense. We pigeon holed ourself with a specific type of defense that needs two very instinctive safeties, two very robust dynamic linebackers, and 2 corners who can effectively play 3rds in zone defense. Everyone praises our defense for how effective it is but it is largely ineffective at adapting or changing. It's designed not to be, however because it is well designed. The downfall of this is that it needs the perfect type of players to execute it. A bobby wagoner is our only option at this point to not take a major step backwards. We’ve “pigeon holed” ourselves into needing to use elite resources on defense only to get historically bludgeoned in the playoffs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Thank you I didn’t see that That makes life easier for me because I didn’t want that anyway, I am perfectly OK with Terrell Benard just sitting in a back up position and getting a new mic with some beef on him Agree that’s the best path. Unless we can just trade Oliver for $10M in cap relief and sign Wagner to a $10M deal, filling MLB in FA is not happening. Beane said the opposite today and alluded to extending Oliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I suspect the Bills will sign a vet MLB and or draft a MLB in rounds 2-4 to compete with Dodson. Either way I think Bernard is more of a Milano backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 hours ago, BBFL said: Point wasn’t whether it mattered today or not. Point was the drafting of All-Pro talent. Which they have done. The statement of “role playing DB or backup” has to be saved for the end of this upcoming season as an evaluation. Still waiting to see what we got with him as he only played 8 games. If he goes back to 2021 form then yes, definitely overpaid. 2020? We’re good! There is a concern in the overall drafting, not so much for all-pro talent but solid and productive contributors within the first 3/4 rounds. Need those guys to turn into ones that can be counted on. Not quite sure what you're trying to say. Right now we're short a bunch of impact players too get us to a Championship. 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Might well end up being the plan I just hate pigeonholing ourselves into a draft pick that’s really not Brandon style I hear ya, but right now that's the position that stands to make the biggest leap from what we currently have to what an above average player at the position would bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 8 hours ago, ScottLaw said: We’ve “pigeon holed” ourselves into needing to use elite resources on defense only to get historically bludgeoned in the playoffs? yes. we have a very specific defense that needs an exact type of player and nothing short of that to be successful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottLaw Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, boyst said: yes. we have a very specific defense that needs an exact type of player and nothing short of that to be successful. Yes. It was sarcasm. And it’s a bummer… because that just means under McD they will consistently spend top assets defensively to make sure they get what they need at the expense of the offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yes. It was sarcasm. And it’s a bummer… because that just means under McD they will consistently spend top assets defensively to make sure they get what they need at the expense of the offense. We don’t know that yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Something changed .. this should have turned into an edmunds bashing thread by now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 16 hours ago, 947 said: I like it, but they'd have to trade down out of the 1st round to do it. Campbell isn't making it to pick #59. We'd need to get in the first 10 picks of the 2nd. Agreed, that's why I left the pick number out. 27 is a reach but we can't wait until the 50's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I read Jack Campbell is training with Luke Keuchley. It’s a done deal he’s our starting ILB. He’ll know our entire defense before getting drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: I read Jack Campbell is training with Luke Keuchley. It’s a done deal he’s our starting ILB. He’ll know our entire defense before getting drafted. Will he be there at 27? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Will he be there at 27? Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottLaw Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I read Jack Campbell is training with Luke Keuchley. It’s a done deal he’s our starting ILB. He’ll know our entire defense before getting drafted. You think a first round pick on a LB is a good use of resources? Again, these guys and their defense that routinely gets pummeled every January…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, ScottLaw said: You think a first round pick on a LB is a good use of resources? Again, these guys and their defense that routinely gets pummeled every January…. There’s probably 20-25 1st round grades in any given draft. This draft to me is weak. The Bills are right on the edge of getting a true 1st round talent. I think the Bills should be looking at a trade down. Out of the 1st completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: We don’t know that yet history has an odd way of repeating itself. sadly beane tied himself to mcd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: You think a first round pick on a LB is a good use of resources? Again, these guys and their defense that routinely gets pummeled every January…. Yeah, I think it is a really tricky spot. You get that 5th-year option which makes things strange cuz you are paying a backer 11-13 million. However, at 27, there is a good chance you land the best LB in the draft, or the best tight end in the draft, maybe the best center or guard. So the positional value, to your point, is probably not quite there. The value/upside pick there is going to be a guy like Nolan Smith to sack the QB. I know it's annoying to0 take DL again, but if they don't get to the QB this team is going to lose in the playoffs again. If one of those top receivers is there, you take him 100%. All that said, if they believe Campbell is a do-over on Tremaine with better instincts, then you do it. You have a cheap starter at mike for 4 years, and it makes sense to have a cheap starter next to Milano. At the same time is it the best first-round pick value? meh...but 27 this year is just a second-round pick anyway, our second is really a third. The first round is for QBs, true left tackles, pass rushers, and corners. Typically if you go another way, there is no boom with the bust. My gut, based on really no evidence is that they love Trenton Simpson. Simpson is a guy from Charlotte, a military family...a kid McBeane probably would have heard about when he was in high school and have probably followed his career. I am speculating there, but he really fits the mold. I like Campbell better, but I am just not sure if they go there. The fact that Kuecly is training with him is very interesting though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, boyst said: yes. we have a very specific defense that needs an exact type of player and nothing short of that to be successful. I think this might be a little bit of a stretch. We found these players without using a ton of resources to get them. Poyer was a back up in Cleveland. Hyde was a FA signing to a mid level deal and I believe wasn't the full time starter in GB. Milano was a 5th round pick. Tre White was a 1st rounder but a late first rounder. Taron Johnson was a 4th round pick. These are key contributors to our defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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