Regardless of what you think of him as a coach, McDermott is a really good man.

[Sherlock Holmes]

14 hours ago, QB Bills said:

https://youtu.be/pZFdeOW8QrU

 

 

Won't work, Better be a Peter Pan link...

9 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:

Just don’t give him a gun!!

It's Showtime...

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I'm not even assuming a win. I just want to get back to the Super Bowl. Not sure why you are questing the way I ask the question as it seems you agree with my assessment of McDermott in that there is a good (50/50) chance he is not the head coach in 2024 if the Bills continue their trend of going backwards. 

 

I was partially being facetious since so many opining seem to think that McD has few or no signifcant shortcomings.  I mean think about it, someone posts the equivalent of a "but she's got a great personality thread," as if what, 100 posters are all going to talk about what a great guy McD is without touching on any other topics, and without anyone questioning anything whatsoever about him or any of his questionable shortcomings, etc.  

 

This is one of those areas where "it's a business," until it isn't.   Now all of a sudden we're fortunate to have a great guy leading our team, football isn't life, and we need to keep the human element first and foremost, etc.  I don't disagree with part of that, but is that the League's take?  The players?  The coaches and GMs when they're looking for work?  Hardly.  But now all of a sudden that's all that matters.  LOL   Is that going to be the party-line here if all of a sudden Allen leaves in two years and we start going 8-9 regularly?  Are people still going to be saying the same things?  LOL, we know the answer to that.  But why not, if that's the basis for it all.  That's all I'm saying.  Seems like some virtue-signaling going on here.  

 

Levy was a great guy too, a lot of similarities between the two.  But he also didn't have that instinct that would lead a team to a Championship.  I've said it before, but if we had had Gibbs (also known as a great guy yet with greater coaching skills), Parcells (also according to many a great guy with greater coaching skills), or Johnson, we'd have won 2 or possibly 3 of those Super Bowls.  So is this a thread about keeping McD here for 20 more years because he's "got a great personality."  Everyone knows that, it's nothing new.  But I would also question, if he's such a high-character guy, how come he doesn't come clean on so many things?   "Really good people" don't cover things up either and hide behind regimens.  Seems to me that a "great guy" wouldn't toss a coach under the bus that did a great job with what he had to work with in order to address "the mob" and deflect criticism on himself.  I know that i wouldn't do that because it's not right.   Do you think that Jim Salgado thinks that he was treated fairly?  Seriously.  I mean it's not as if McD is Ghandi or Christ.  

 

Either way, is this a business, or isn't it?  Seems as if when it comes time to buy tix, it's not a business, for some reason as fans we all owe it to Buffalo and the team to give them our money regardless of the circumstances, even when the multi-billionaire Pegula doesn't want to pitch in any of his because he has a lifestyle to maintain.   

 

Also, since when is it wrong or immoral to have a difference of opinion on whether a "great guy" is actually doing his job, ... aka getting the job done.  What, everyone that fails at their job is a douche bag or something?  Plenty of nice people simply can't cut the Weber's.   This notion that someone can post this and expect absolutely no critical comments is ludicrous.  Yet, ... 

 

Anyway, I generally agree with you, just altering the perspective slightly for purposes of discussion.     

 

I agree BTW, McD seems like a great guy, but I do have issues with some of his positions and how he's treated a few people, Salgado being one of 'em, in the interests of covering up reality.  There are also plenty of sources claiming that he's a control-freak.  That wouldn't seem to be so "great guy-ish" to me.  So this notion that he's a great guy isn't limitless, it's also not why he was hired.  If this same great guy had the track record of Chan Gailey, another great guy, would people be saying that he should be sticking around?  LOL  

 

 

[Dopey]

11 hours ago, McBean said:

Nice guy? I don’t give a crap.

 

Good father? Screw you go home and play with your kids.

 

If you want to be the head coach of the Josh Allen led Buffalo Bills, go win a Super Bowl for the first time in franchise history. If you can’t do that, get the f out of here.

Richard Head, is that you? I’m here to stay, unless a tough guy like you thinks you can move me out. My door is always open. 
Sincerely, 

Your coach, Sean McDermott. 
P.S. Josh wants his jockstrap back. You’ve sniffed it enough. 

[McBean]

28 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Richard Head, is that you? I’m here to stay, unless a tough guy like you thinks you can move me out. My door is always open. 
Sincerely, 

Your coach, Sean McDermott. 
P.S. Josh wants his jockstrap back. You’ve sniffed it enough. 

Lmaoooooooo.

 

You have to be a family member of McClappy’s.

 

Na, I don’t sniff anybody’s jock. We have the most talented QB in the nfl held back by the mediocre head coach. Fact is Josh has bailed your boy Sean out more times than I can count. 
 

But hey, I’ll be here after another year goes by without a Bills title under McClap. I’ll bump this up come January 2024 and so on. Just hang tight Dope!

[Punching Bag]

54 minutes ago, Dopey said:

You’re assuming he’s not living alone with a case of genesee beer as his true love. 

 

I am assuming he lives alone with a case of empty Genesee beer bottles as his true love.

Personally I could never finish one.

[Einstein]

Absolutely. 

Best (character) coach in the league. 

[folz]

20 hours ago, Airseven said:

So what. This isn’t personal. You don’t know him. It’s about being a football coach. He should be judged in the context of wins and losses.

 

15 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

No disputing he’s a decent person and an outstanding motivator and leader. Important attributes for a HC. The problem is this is a bottom line business and it’s results that defines success. If you have your franchise QB and a good roster, get to a SB in 6 years or a new voice is necessary.

 

14 hours ago, McBean said:

Nice guy? I don’t give a crap.

 

Good father? Screw you go home and play with your kids.

 

If you want to be the head coach of the Josh Allen led Buffalo Bills, go win a Super Bowl for the first time in franchise history. If you can’t do that, get the f out of here.

 

13 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Who cares.    Beat the Bengals and don’t choke away a lead with 13 secs left vs the Chiefs 

 

Focus all that nice guy energy into not choking away games.  
 

He should sign his paycheck over to Josh Allen for saving his ass on repeat 

 

 

Sean McDermott has a .639 winning percentage as a head coach in the NFL. That is currently good for 21st ALL-TIME (out of 196 head coaches per Pro Football Reference---link below). He is just behind Andy Reid (.641) and just ahead of Mike Tomlin (.636) and Sean Payton (.631). He's only six spots behind Belichick (.662). There are only 3 active coaches with a higher winning percentage than Sean: LaFleur, Belichick, and Reid (and LaFleur has coached 33 fewer games than McDermott).

 

Yes, McDermott's sample size is still on the lower end obviously, but there are 8 head coaches ahead of him on the list that coached fewer games than Sean. And there are coaches that some McDermott detractors would probably want over him that compare pretty evenly:

Sean McDermott 62-35 (.639)

Sean McVay 60-38 (.612)

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

 

And don't tell me it's all Josh Allen, unless you are willing to then acknowledge that Belichick is all Brady, Reid is all Mahomes, Walsh was all Montana, etc. Not many (if any) coaches win consistently without a top QB.

 

And yes, Sean is a good guy/great leader...and that matters to me. As a fan, I like to root for good people. But regardless of that, it just seems crazy to me that people would want to move on from such a winning coach because of one playoff mistake (KC game)---as if no other coach (even Super Bowl winning coaches) have ever made a mistake in a big game---and because he couldn't muster his team this year (that had been so beaten down over and over physically and emotionally) to beat the Bengals. 

 

Be careful what you wish for fellas.

 

 

[PBF81]

48 minutes ago, folz said:

Be careful what you wish for fellas.

 

Super Bowl Win/Championship or Bust!!  

 

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by PBF81

[benderbender]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

Super Bowl Win/Championship or Bust!!  

 

 

[zow2]

McDermott is a great guy for sure.  He may get canned from Buffalo, eventually, if they don't get to or win a SB.  But it would be a real kick in the nuts if he went to another team and got them a ring.  He's a good coach, but more importantly, he runs a solid program.  he would be in demand.

[SoCal Deek]

7 hours ago, benderbender said:

I cannot tell you how many times we’ve tossed that line around over the years. Absolutely classic!  😂

[Eastport bills]

8 hours ago, folz said:

 

 

 

 

 

Sean McDermott has a .639 winning percentage as a head coach in the NFL. That is currently good for 21st ALL-TIME (out of 196 head coaches per Pro Football Reference---link below). He is just behind Andy Reid (.641) and just ahead of Mike Tomlin (.636) and Sean Payton (.631). He's only six spots behind Belichick (.662). There are only 3 active coaches with a higher winning percentage than Sean: LaFleur, Belichick, and Reid (and LaFleur has coached 33 fewer games than McDermott).

 

Yes, McDermott's sample size is still on the lower end obviously, but there are 8 head coaches ahead of him on the list that coached fewer games than Sean. And there are coaches that some McDermott detractors would probably want over him that compare pretty evenly:

Sean McDermott 62-35 (.639)

Sean McVay 60-38 (.612)

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

 

And don't tell me it's all Josh Allen, unless you are willing to then acknowledge that Belichick is all Brady, Reid is all Mahomes, Walsh was all Montana, etc. Not many (if any) coaches win consistently without a top QB.

 

And yes, Sean is a good guy/great leader...and that matters to me. As a fan, I like to root for good people. But regardless of that, it just seems crazy to me that people would want to move on from such a winning coach because of one playoff mistake (KC game)---as if no other coach (even Super Bowl winning coaches) have ever made a mistake in a big game---and because he couldn't muster his team this year (that had been so beaten down over and over physically and emotionally) to beat the Bengals. 

 

Be careful what you wish for fellas.

 

 

Reid was also acknowledged as a good coach who couldn’t get over the hump and was replaced. I understand many fans are connected to Sean because he  made us a team that was a legitimate contender to win a SB. The question you have to ask yourself is once you have reached the level of being a top team, how long do you give a coach to reach the last game. Long suffering fans are driven to go further. Besides the soul crushing choke of “13 seconds “, Sean’s teams have regressed on offense and have been limited to letting Josh find a way with pedestrian O-lines and running attacks. His defense has underachieved in the playoffs. You like rooting for a high character leader like Sean but remember this a bottom line business for coaches. When your team is a contender they must find a way or after 7 or 8 years get another voice. Reid, Jimmy Johnson, Landry, Shanahan, Gibbs all got fired after winning.

 

[folz]

3 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

Reid was also acknowledged as a good coach who couldn’t get over the hump and was replaced. I understand many fans are connected to Sean because he  made us a team that was a legitimate contender to win a SB. The question you have to ask yourself is once you have reached the level of being a top team, how long do you give a coach to reach the last game. Long suffering fans are driven to go further. Besides the soul crushing choke of “13 seconds “, Sean’s teams have regressed on offense and have been limited to letting Josh find a way with pedestrian O-lines and running attacks. His defense has underachieved in the playoffs. You like rooting for a high character leader like Sean but remember this a bottom line business for coaches. When your team is a contender they must find a way or after 7 or 8 years get another voice. Reid, Jimmy Johnson, Landry, Shanahan, Gibbs all got fired after winning.

 

 

I just think that there is a greater chance that if we made a change we end up with something worse. Why drop a winning coach for a very BIG maybe. I mean, where are all these magical coaches who can just step in and win a Super Bowl right away?

 

There are currently 9 Super Bowl winning coaches active in the league: Reid, Bellichick, McVay, Pederson, Carroll, Harbaugh, McCarthy, Payton, and Tomlin. I don't see any of them leaving their current positions any time soon, unless it is for retirement. Maybe Pederson or McCarthy if things don't go well in Jax and Dallas, but that's it.

The only other Super Bowl winning coach out there that isn't well retired is Gary Kubiak.

 

How confident are you that Kubiak, Pederson, or McCarthy even could automatically win a Super Bowl here, even if they were available? And anyone else is in the same boat as McDermott (never won a SB). So, people can believe another coach (say a young, upcoming assistant) has that killer instinct to win a Super Bowl (that apparently they believe McDermott does not have), but there is no proof to that fact. Plus there would be growing pains with that candidate as he learns to be a HC. I guess I just feel, as the old saying goes, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

 

And I'm speaking about now...sure if after two more years the team is imploding or going backwards, then it might be time to move on. But if McD still has us as a SB contenders, reaching championship games, then I say stick with it till we win one.

 

If you take Belichick out of the equation (as he is an anomaly), and add up the tenure of the other 8 Super Bowl winning coaches divided by the number of Super Bowls won by them, then you get a Super Bowl win every 12.77 years of their careers. Even coaches who won it all don't do it every 5-6 years.

 

Reid: 2 SBs in 24 years as HC

Tomlin: 1 SB in 16 years as HC

Carroll: 1 SB in 17 years as HC

McCarthy: 1 SB in 16 years as HC

Harbaugh: 1 SB in 15 years as HC

Payton: 1 SB in 15 years as HC

McVay: 1 SB in 6 years as HC

Pederson: 1 SB in 6 years as HC

 

And I know, people will say, yeah, but McDermott has Josh Allen. But, Payton had Drew Brees; Tomlin had Rothlisberger; Reid had McNabb and Mahomes, Carroll had Wilson, etc. Heck, Aaron Rodgers is a sure fire 1st ballot HOF QB and only has 1 SB in an 18-year career; Drew Brees (future HOFer) had 1 SB win in a 20-year career; even Peyton Manning (one of the best to ever do it) only won 2 in 18 years.

 

It's just not as easy as some make it out to be to win a Super Bowl. I just think we have as good a chance with McDermott as we would with anyone else. And I rarely hear McDermott's detractors put forward a name that they think could come in and automatically be better than Sean.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

Good for him.

Coffee is for closers.

[Eastport bills]

1 hour ago, folz said:

 

I just think that there is a greater chance that if we made a change we end up with something worse. Why drop a winning coach for a very BIG maybe. I mean, where are all these magical coaches who can just step in and win a Super Bowl right away?

 

There are currently 9 Super Bowl winning coaches active in the league: Reid, Bellichick, McVay, Pederson, Carroll, Harbaugh, McCarthy, Payton, and Tomlin. I don't see any of them leaving their current positions any time soon, unless it is for retirement. Maybe Pederson or McCarthy if things don't go well in Jax and Dallas, but that's it.

The only other Super Bowl winning coach out there that isn't well retired is Gary Kubiak.

 

How confident are you that Kubiak, Pederson, or McCarthy even could automatically win a Super Bowl here, even if they were available? And anyone else is in the same boat as McDermott (never won a SB). So, people can believe another coach (say a young, upcoming assistant) has that killer instinct to win a Super Bowl (that apparently they believe McDermott does not have), but there is no proof to that fact. Plus there would be growing pains with that candidate as he learns to be a HC. I guess I just feel, as the old saying goes, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

 

And I'm speaking about now...sure if after two more years the team is imploding or going backwards, then it might be time to move on. But if McD still has us as a SB contenders, reaching championship games, then I say stick with it till we win one.

 

If you take Belichick out of the equation (as he is an anomaly), and add up the tenure of the other 8 Super Bowl winning coaches divided by the number of Super Bowls won by them, then you get a Super Bowl win every 12.77 years of their careers. Even coaches who won it all don't do it every 5-6 years.

 

Reid: 2 SBs in 24 years as HC

Tomlin: 1 SB in 16 years as HC

Carroll: 1 SB in 17 years as HC

McCarthy: 1 SB in 16 years as HC

Harbaugh: 1 SB in 15 years as HC

Payton: 1 SB in 15 years as HC

McVay: 1 SB in 6 years as HC

Pederson: 1 SB in 6 years as HC

 

And I know, people will say, yeah, but McDermott has Josh Allen. But, Payton had Drew Brees; Tomlin had Rothlisberger; Reid had McNabb and Mahomes, Carroll had Wilson, etc. Heck, Aaron Rodgers is a sure fire 1st ballot HOF QB and only has 1 SB in an 18-year career; Drew Brees (future HOFer) had 1 SB win in a 20-year career; even Peyton Manning (one of the best to ever do it) only won 2 in 18 years.

 

It's just not as easy as some make it out to be to win a Super Bowl. I just think we have as good a chance with McDermott as we would with anyone else. And I rarely hear McDermott's detractors put forward a name that they think could come in and automatically be better than Sean.

 

 

My opinion is based on watching Sean’s game day decision making. and the fact that he’s unable to impact the offense because he’s reluctant to clash with his OCs. Case in point, our offense was predictable and never developed a running game with Josh being their leading rusher. Our O-line was just OK. The short passing game which dominated early, turned into big vertical passing game with a receiving corp that underachieved.The defense, Sean’s wheelhouse, got pushed around by Cinn. and were  underwhelming against Miami. Sean himself admitted he wants a defense that is more physically dominant. This is after he assembled a defense that is more about speed. We need an HC that can add something to our offensive production ala Reid, McVay, Payton or Shanahan.  If our defense put their stamp on playoff games that would be another story. Offensive minded HCs are the new poster boys for SBs. We should be proactive during Josh’s prime.