The Unreleased J6 Capitol Surveillance Tapes: As Expected Tapes CONFIRM Sham J6 Committee LIED.

[BillsFanNC]

16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Based on what?
 

Donald Trump did not move to have National Guard troops at the capital for January 6 that did not happen

 

You really believe that he’s sitting there, losing his ***** because he’s about ready to get kicked out of office and you think that he’s gonna go through the extra step of protecting the institution of voting

 

Come on man

 

The documents prove it you friggin moron.

 

This is how the NG process works for anything e.g. natural disasters. 

 

Local authorities must first request the NG.

 

The POTUS/DOD then authorizes it and troops are deployed

 

This IS THE LAW.

 

The Trump DOD informally reached out to the DC local authorities and said hey are you going to request troops for J6? It sounds like things might get dicey.

 

These attempts by DOD were rejected. It's in WRITING.

 

If the DC local authorities made the request and Trump didn't authorize it then you'd have a point.

 

But you dont have a point because that's not what happened. 

 

This is why there's no discussion to be had with you morons. You live under a green sky completely out of touch with reality.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[Wacka]

Shakespeare was right.

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

The documents prove it you friggin moron.

 

This is how the NG process works for anything e.g. natural disasters. 

 

Local authorities must first request the NG.

 

The POTUS/DOD then authorizes it and troops are deployed

 

This IS THE LAW.

 

The Trump DOD informally reached out to the DC local authorities and said hey are you going to request troops for J6? It sounds like things might get dicey.

 

These attempts by DOD were rejected. It's in WRITING.

 

If the DC local authorities made the request and Trump didn't authorize it then you'd have a point.

 

But you dont have a point because that's not what happened. 

 

This is why there's no discussion to be had with you morons. You live under a green sky completely out of touch with reality.

 

 

 

 

https://nypost.com/2022/07/27/trump-did-not-order-troops-before-capitol-riot-christoper-miller/amp/
 

 

[BillsFanNC]

9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/27/trump-did-not-order-troops-before-capitol-riot-christoper-miller/amp/
 

 

 

You are an unequivocal moron.

 

There was no order from Trump because...

 

THE POTUS HAS NO AUTHORITY TO UNILATERALLY MOBILIZE THE NATIONAL GUARD ON HIS OWN. 

 

But since you want to take the word of former secretary of defense  Miller, laundered and cherry picked by the J6 committee, here he is in his own unedited words.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/chris-miller-donald-trump-deploy-jan-6-troops-capitol-riot-contradiction-testimony-1728207

 

A clip of Miller on Sean Hannity's show has also gone viral showing him say that he testified under oath that Trump authorized 20,000 troops. It is not clear on what date Miller was on Hannity's show, however.

 

While on the show, former Defense Department official Kash Patel said: "Mr. Trump unequivocally authorized up to 20,000 National Guardsmen and women for us to utilize.

 

Hannity asked: "Let me be very clear. Both of you said this under oath, under the threat of perjury, to the committee?

 

 

Miller replied: "Absolutely Sean and to be clear, Kash brought it up best. The meeting was one of the most serious kinds of heavy meetings I have been in.

"It was about a foreign threat that was directed towards the United States. Obviously, we can't talk to you about that for fear of ending up in jail.

He continued: "The president, as we are leaving, says one more thing and we all sat back down and we discussed what was going on on January 6.

 

"The president was doing exactly what I expect the Commander in Chief to do, he was looking at the broad threats against the United States and he brought this up on his own, we did not bring it up."

Edited August 3, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[BillsFanNC]

Fanone isn't a crisis actor  How dare Julie Kelly make such an outrageous accusation!

 

Note how even the CNN talking head thinks this is totally ridiculous. 

 

 

@Kemp

 

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Fanone isn't a crisis actor  How dare Julie Kelly make such an outrageous accusation!

 

Note how even the CNN talking head thinks this is totally ridiculous. 

 

 

@Kemp

 

 

Is anyone from the DOJ going to investigate that guy for an obvious threat against life of the former President? I’m guessing not. Because, it’s Trump. 

[Tommy Callahan]

8 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Fanone isn't a crisis actor  How dare Julie Kelly make such an outrageous accusation!

 

Note how even the CNN talking head thinks this is totally ridiculous. 

 

 

@Kemp

 

 

Dude couldn't even read the script without mumbling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

You are an unequivocal moron.

 

There was no order from Trump because...

 

THE POTUS HAS NO AUTHORITY TO UNILATERALLY MOBILIZE THE NATIONAL GUARD ON HIS OWN. 

 

But since you want to take the word of former secretary of defense  Miller, laundered and cherry picked by the J6 committee, here he is in his own unedited words.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/chris-miller-donald-trump-deploy-jan-6-troops-capitol-riot-contradiction-testimony-1728207

 

A clip of Miller on Sean Hannity's show has also gone viral showing him say that he testified under oath that Trump authorized 20,000 troops. It is not clear on what date Miller was on Hannity's show, however.

 

While on the show, former Defense Department official Kash Patel said: "Mr. Trump unequivocally authorized up to 20,000 National Guardsmen and women for us to utilize.

 

Hannity asked: "Let me be very clear. Both of you said this under oath, under the threat of perjury, to the committee?

 

 

Miller replied: "Absolutely Sean and to be clear, Kash brought it up best. The meeting was one of the most serious kinds of heavy meetings I have been in.

"It was about a foreign threat that was directed towards the United States. Obviously, we can't talk to you about that for fear of ending up in jail.

He continued: "The president, as we are leaving, says one more thing and we all sat back down and we discussed what was going on on January 6.

 

"The president was doing exactly what I expect the Commander in Chief to do, he was looking at the broad threats against the United States and he brought this up on his own, we did not bring it up."

This has already been explained you gerbil there’s a difference between going in front of a committee and going under oath where you could literally go to jail and going on the Sean Hannity show and saying something different where you don’t get held to any account there have been Republicans that I’ve laughed about the fact that they went on TV and lied so forgive me if I don’t take anything that goes on the Sean Hannity show and give two ***** about it

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

This has already been explained you gerbil there’s a difference between going in front of a committee and going under oath where you could literally go to jail and going on the Sean Hannity show and saying something different where you don’t get held to any account there have been Republicans that I’ve laughed about the fact that they went on TV and lied so forgive me if I don’t take anything that goes on the Sean Hannity show and give two ***** about it

Do you ever listen to yourself? At all? It’s your position that our Capital sits wide open to an attack by a mob (even at a time when BOTH houses of Congress are there assembled) but for somebody up the street making a phone call? For all of our sakes we sure as heck better hope not! 

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

This has already been explained you gerbil there’s a difference between going in front of a committee and going under oath where you could literally go to jail and going on the Sean Hannity show and saying something different where you don’t get held to any account there have been Republicans that I’ve laughed about the fact that they went on TV and lied so forgive me if I don’t take anything that goes on the Sean Hannity show and give two ***** about it

Being under oath isn't a prerequisite for telling the truth nor does being under oath inhibit a witness from lying under certain circumstances.  Public statements can be used to help or hinder a case or situation.  

 

The main problem is there was no mobilization of troops so whether or not it was discussed is irrelevant.  It leaves you with a charge of conspiracy to commit an illegal act of mobilizing national guard troop without committing the act itself.  It's BS.

 

Hypothetically if somebody said to another person, "how about you and I go down to the local bank and rob the place?"  And the other party responds "no" then there is no robbery.  So do you want to charge everyone that discusses something that might be illegal in some interpretation of the law, where no action is taken, with a conspiracy charge under which they can be prosecuted?  No, that's why in real life legal situations you see conspiracy charges only as an additional supplemental charge of an indictment for the actual commission of a crime.  Unless they've got an axe to grind against the suspect they're trying to nail on anything no matter how flimsy the case.

[BillsFanNC]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

This has already been explained you gerbil there’s a difference between going in front of a committee and going under oath where you could literally go to jail and going on the Sean Hannity show and saying something different where you don’t get held to any account there have been Republicans that I’ve laughed about the fact that they went on TV and lied so forgive me if I don’t take anything that goes on the Sean Hannity show and give two ***** about it

 

I expect they will raid Kash Patel's house any day now for lying under oath then.

 

 

Trump authorized it.

 

The local officals never made the request.

 

You are a lost cause.

 

https://archive.org/details/january-6th-committee-witness-testimony-20211209-kashyap-pramod-patel/page/42/mode/1up?q=Guard

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Unforgiven]

My gut tells me the election was rigged, just based on the fact that those four 

states in sync closed the vote counting down early.

[BillsFanNC]

8 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

I expect they will raid Kash Patel's house any day now for lying under oath then.

 

 

Trump authorized it.

 

The local officals never made the request.

 

You are a lost cause.

 

https://archive.org/details/january-6th-committee-witness-testimony-20211209-kashyap-pramod-patel/page/42/mode/1up?q=Guard

 

 

 

 

No comment @John from Riverside?

[John from Riverside]

Trump never authorized it
 

And why would he?  That would kill his riot before it starts

 

For chrissake, he was taking down barriers, so that armed cultists could be in his rally

1 hour ago, Unforgiven said:

My gut tells me the election was rigged, just based on the fact that those four 

states in sync closed the vote counting down early.

Forget the fact that countless court cases say different a lot of them in front of trump appointed judges

 

Forget the fact that countless recounts say different

 

Forget the fact that Republicans are in charge of the states and question

[BillsFanNC]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Trump never authorized it
 

And why would he?  That would kill his riot before it starts

 

For chrissake, he was taking down barriers, so that armed cultists could be in his rally

Forget the fact that countless court cases say different a lot of them in front of trump appointed judges

 

Forget the fact that countless recounts say different

 

Forget the fact that Republicans are in charge of the states and question

 

Are you daft?

 

The testimony UNDER OATH THAT YOU DEMANDED....

 

Says that Trump DID authorize it.

 

It's in the friggin testimony under oath that you hold dear.

 

Dude seek help immediately. 

 

Until then. ***** off.

[BillsFanNC]

Fanone isn't a crisis actor!

 

Bodycam video hidden by J6 committee suggests otherwise. 

 

@Kemp

 

 

[B-Man]

 

Capitol Hill Police Chief ?. . . . . . . . . . . what would he have to do with it ?

 

 

Tucker’s Hidden FOX News Interview – Former Capitol Hill Police Chief Calls Jan 6 “a Cover-Up”

– They Were Hiding Intelligence

by Jim Hoft

 

Earlier today The National Pulse released exclusive footage of Tucker Carlson’s final interview before he was fired from FOX News.

 

Carlson spoke with former Capitol Hill Police Chief Steven Sund about the events on January 6, 2021. During their discussion Sund called January 6 a “cover-up” by top government officials for their actions that day. Sund says Nancy Pelosi and General Mark Milley had information to suggest problems on Capitol Hill yet refused to share the information and refused to call in the National Guard before January 6th and during the early rioting that day.

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/tuckers-hidden-fox-news-interview-former-capitol-hill/

 

 

 

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[BillsFanNC]

 

[BillsFanNC]

17 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

My gut tells me the election was rigged, just based on the fact that those four 

states in sync closed the vote counting down early.

 

What do you mean?  That happens all the time.  This also happened in the very same election, and the first in US history, where more votes were counted by mail than in person.

 

Even when the dude they kneel before, the God of Science, Fauci, said himself there was no reason to not have in person voting.

 

Strange how that worked out, isn't it?

 

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

What do you mean?  That happens all the time.  This also happened in the very same election, and the first in US history, where more votes were counted by mail than in person.

 

Even when the dude they kneel before, the God of Science, Fauci, said himself there was no reason to not have in person voting.

 

Strange how that worked out, isn't it?

 

Wow - more people voted by mail during a global pandemic?

 

[Tommy Callahan]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

What do you mean?  That happens all the time.  This also happened in the very same election, and the first in US history, where more votes were counted by mail than in person.

 

Even when the dude they kneel before, the God of Science, Fauci, said himself there was no reason to not have in person voting.

 

Strange how that worked out, isn't it?

 

since it worked, there will be a constant push for more mail voting, ballot harvesting going forward.

 

 

[BillStime]

17 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

My gut tells me the election was rigged, just based on the fact that those four 

states in sync closed the vote counting down early.

Can you provide a source for this? I must have missed this…

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

Wait so the media, DOJ, FBI and J6 committee all tried to craft a narrative around J6 that turned out to be mostly exaggerated and fake?

 

No way!

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

24 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Wait so the media, DOJ, FBI and J6 committee all tried to craft a narrative around J6 that turned out to be mostly exaggerated and fake?

 

No way!

 

 

 

The Capitol Police were gonna zip tie all of the insurrectionists but decided against it when they all finished taking selfies, got bored, and went home. 

[Doc]

53 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The Capitol Police were gonna zip tie all of the insurrectionists but decided against it when they all finished taking selfies, got bored, and went home. 

 

Or maybe they were for bundling wires/cables so people wouldn't trip over them when the CP were escorting them around the building?

[BillsFanNC]

Great question Chief Sund!

 

I wonder why the J6 committee never asked it?

 

So if the Department of Defense, which makes up nine of the eighteen Intelligence Community (IC) agencies, had such damn concerning intelligence regarding violence against lawmakers and my officers on Capitol Hill on January 6, why  didn’t they implement a Duty to Warn as required by the Director of National Intelligence’s Intelligence Community Directive 191. J6 COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED

 

 

 

[Doc]

10 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

Great question Chief Sund!

 

I wonder why the J6 committee never asked it?

 

So if the Department of Defense, which makes up nine of the eighteen Intelligence Community (IC) agencies, had such damn concerning intelligence regarding violence against lawmakers and my officers on Capitol Hill on January 6, why  didn’t they implement a Duty to Warn as required by the Director of National Intelligence’s Intelligence Community Directive 191. J6 COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED

 

 

 

 

Sund better watch out.  He might get a bullet to the back of the head while jogging at night in a botched robbery attempt.

[BillsFanNC]

Now that you're listening, let’s go over the facts:

Excerpts from my book, Courage Under Fire...
p. 280-281: “Later on the fourth, during an interagency conference call, Miller and General Milley both raised their growing concerns about violence. Specifically, they were concerned about the demonstration permits that had been issued at the US Capitol. According to Miller’s testimony, their concern about the permitted groups at the Capitol was so great that both Miller and Milley inquired about the ability to revoke the permits. They must have known that was an overreach, but the mere fact they were discussing the possibility of revoking permits for First Amendment activities on Capitol grounds should give everyone pause. During the call, General Milley also suggested locking down the city to control the violence that he believed to be coming. For the highest-ranking military officer in the country to recommend locking down the nation’s capital in order to control violence, they must have had some pretty damned concerning information!”

[All_Pro_Bills]

10 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

Great question Chief Sund!

 

I wonder why the J6 committee never asked it?

 

So if the Department of Defense, which makes up nine of the eighteen Intelligence Community (IC) agencies, had such damn concerning intelligence regarding violence against lawmakers and my officers on Capitol Hill on January 6, why  didn’t they implement a Duty to Warn as required by the Director of National Intelligence’s Intelligence Community Directive 191. J6 COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED

 

 

 

This is a topic the J6 committee avoided like the plague.  Because they didn't want the answer.  They allowed violence to happen in order to create the pretext for instituting a series of actions and hearings to highlight the dangers of MAGA extremists to the nation.  Look how much political mileage they've gotten.  Hearing, arrests, trials.  None of which would have been generated by not allowing it to happen by deploying more security that day.  I'd call it the American Reichstag fire.  

Edited August 5, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

They allowed it to happen in order to create the pretext for instituting a series of actions and hearings to highlight the dangers of MAGA extremists to the nation.  Look how much political mileage they've gotten.  Hearing, arrests, trials.  None of which would have been generated by not allowing it to happen by deploying more security that day.  I'd call it the American Reichstag fire.  

 

One could have argued that no one could have predicted what would happen that day, but Sund lays that theory to waste.  So all efforts to stand-down security that day lends credence to the belief that they wanted something to happen, but not necessarily breaking-into the Capitol. 

[BillsFanNC]

I don't think allowed is the right word here.

 

Facilitated or encouraged is better.

 

You've got the guy cutting down the restricted area fencing.

 

Has yet to be captured.

 

You've got the guy on the scaffolding yammering on a megaphone imploring people to move forward and eventually to go inside and fill the Capitol.  

 

Has yet to be captured.

 

You've got doors left unlocked, some that can only be unlocked from the inside.

 

No answers as to why.

[BillsFanNC]

Another day. More lies exposed.

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

@John from Riverside

 

Wrong again. Shocker.

 

On January 6, even while we’re under attack, I was restricted by federal law (2 U.S. Code § 1970 Assistance by Executive departments and agencies) from bringing in federal assistance, to include the National Guard, without FIRST obtaining approval from the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms.  (Irving was the House SAA. Stenger was the Senate SAA)

Courage Under Fire p. 137: “Between 12:58 and when I finally receive approval for the National Guard at 2:09, I have made thirty-two calls to coordinate response support for my officers, including at least eleven calls to the sergeants at arms regarding my request for the National Guard.”

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

@John from Riverside

 

Wrong again. Shocker.

 

On January 6, even while we’re under attack, I was restricted by federal law (2 U.S. Code § 1970 Assistance by Executive departments and agencies) from bringing in federal assistance, to include the National Guard, without FIRST obtaining approval from the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms.  (Irving was the House SAA. Stenger was the Senate SAA)

Courage Under Fire p. 137: “Between 12:58 and when I finally receive approval for the National Guard at 2:09, I have made thirty-two calls to coordinate response support for my officers, including at least eleven calls to the sergeants at arms regarding my request for the National Guard.”

 

 

Whether true or not this is a textbook example of just how constipated our system of overlapping checks and balances can become. The Capitol building is clearly under attack and yet those charged with protecting and responding have to make dozens of phone calls. Unbelievable! 

[BillsFanNC]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Whether true or not this is a textbook example of just how constipated our system of overlapping checks and balances can become. The Capitol building is clearly under attack and yet those charged with protecting and responding have to make dozens of phone calls. Unbelievable! 

 

Keep in mind this was only the requests denied while the Capitol was under attack on J6. Multiple requests for NG presence, already pre-approved for up to 20k troops by Trump, in the days before J6 were also denied.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Keep in mind this was only the requests denied while the Capitol was under attack on J6. Multiple requests for NG presence, already pre-approved for up to 20k troops by Trump, in the days before J6 were also denied.

 

 

I’m aware. My comment still stands. The real story behind J6 was not the protest that went too far. What ALL Americans should be upset about was the utterly abysmal failure of law enforcement to restore order. But…as usual, nobody is even looking into the failure. 

[BillsFanNC]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

I’m aware. My comment still stands. The real story behind J6 was not the protest that went too far. What ALL Americans should be upset about was the utterly abysmal failure of law enforcement to restore order. But…as usual, nobody is even looking into the failure. 

 

If you watch the interview with Sund and all the firsts, anomalies and non sharing of key intelligence reports that he talks about, I think it's really hard to characterize it as a law enforcement failure, but instead as a complete set up.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

If you watch the interview with Sund and all the firsts, anomalies and non sharing of key intelligence reports that he talks about, I think it's really hard to characterize it as a law enforcement failure, but instead as a complete set up.

Whichever it was….THAT is the real story of the day. And again nobody is even looking into it. So it makes you wonder how much danger any of these elected officials really felt they were in. If law enforcement never came when a mob was attacking YOUR office do you think your after the fact response would be “oh well, I’m sure they’ll do better next time”. Probably not. 

[BillsFanNC]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Whichever it was….THAT is the real story of the day. And again nobody is even looking into it. So it makes you wonder how much danger any of these elected officials really felt they were in. If law enforcement never came when a mob was attacking YOUR office do you think your after the fact response would be “oh well, I’m sure they’ll do better next time”. Probably not. 

 

 

What do you mean? The J6 committee looked into it, right? We've been told their only goal was getting to the truth...

 

And to @SoCal Deek point..