Alphadawg7 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: EB is going to be learning on the job, even more than Dorsey at this point. If you wanna say last year, I agree that's not crazy. I could see going with EB > Dorsey when neither had been a real OC. Once we hired Dorsey last year, he was going to get 2-3 years as OC unless he had a Nate Hackett level implosion. I think I am a bit more negative on his first year report card is the issue. I do get he will get more time, and I am not pissed or anything about it. Definitely not nearly as upset about Dorsey as I am that Frazier is back. But, I am concerned on the number of things he needs to improve on all coming together this year. I thought he struggled quite a bit with situational awareness, use of personnel, play calling (especially in the redzone), creativity, and overall scheme. Everything we did the last 2/3rds of the season felt like a struggle on offense, there was no cohesiveness. It felt more like the greatness of Allen willed this offense to make points, with a lot of improvisation being the key out there. So I just hope he surprises and makes a big leap forward this year. Hearing Lee Smith talk about it gives me some optimism, but still a big concern until we see it on the field. Edited February 21, 2023 by Alphadawg7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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C.Biscuit97 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, H2o said: Yes, if he fails in Washington as a stand alone coordinator then the sports media will make excuses as to why. It's what they do. Not sure about the coordinator hiring situation you mentioned because I have never kept track. If I were Arizona, and had my choice, I would have hired one of the two Cincy coordinators. That's on them. I wouldn't have made that hire. It’s funny that no one brought up the co coordinator stuff when all the McVay guys get hired. Or all the Pats defense is coaches. all you hear is black coaches aren’t getting jobs because they aren’t OCs. Well you have a 2 time Super Bowl OC not getting a job. And the character stuff holding you back in the nfl is hilarious. How about Andy Reid’s kids? The coke sniffing o line coach? Our own Kromer? Vrabel has a few arrests too. but he just must interview really bad. I’d love for him to be awesome in Washington (though that probably won’t be the situation I would have picked) and then watch him get passed over again for daddy’s boys like Nate Hackett or Shurmur. 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: He got benched in KC. Sure there’s no agenda there from Saint LeSean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, wppete said: The way things are going I wouldn’t at all be surprised is Ron Rivera “steps down” for “personal reasons” and Bieniemy gets handed the HC job. Should be interesting to see, very plausible for this to happen. It is plausible, Rivera has had serious health issues and been around a long time, nice way for him to gracefully retire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s funny that no one brought up the co coordinator stuff when all the McVay guys get hired. Or all the Pats defense is coaches. Oh yeah ur so right dude. No one every talks about how Pats coordinators blow and are overrated because BB is the real mastermind. You truly have a finger on the pulse of the NFL media. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, FireChans said: Oh yeah ur so right dude. No one every talks about how Pats coordinators blow and are overrated because BB is the real mastermind. You truly have a finger on the pulse of the NFL media. Your incel energy is high today buddy. Touch some grass and relax and no OC has gotten talked down as a coaching candidate for working for an offensive head coach like EB. Qb coaches for McVay become head coaches with less scrutiny than EB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Oh yeah ur so right dude. No one every talks about how Pats coordinators blow and are overrated because BB is the real mastermind. You truly have a finger on the pulse of the NFL media. The Pats coaching tree joke, That is ALL you hear about down in Houston after the Bill O Brien fiasco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: The Pats coaching tree joke, That is ALL you hear about down in Houston after the Bill O Brien fiasco. O’Brien was a pretty good head coach. Awful GM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I think I am a bit more negative on his first year report card is the issue. I do get he will get more time, and I am not pissed or anything about it. Definitely not nearly as upset about Dorsey as I am that Frazier is back. But, I am concerned on the number of things he needs to improve on all coming together this year. I thought he struggled quite a bit with situational awareness, use of personnel, play calling (especially in the redzone), creativity, and overall scheme. Everything we did the last 2/3rds of the season felt like a struggle on offense, there was no cohesiveness. It felt more like the greatness of Allen willed this offense to make points, with a lot of improvisation being the key out there. So I just hope he surprises and makes a big leap forward this year. Hearing Lee Smith talk about it gives me some optimism, but still a big concern until we see it on the field. The offense was labored the entire second half. It looked like every drive was a chore to get through. I 100% agree. I actually think Dorsey really struggled with changing things up, more than anything else. The NFL is a league where teams catch-up. We were unreal the first few weeks of the season, and as teams starting to figure us out a bit better, we never pivoted at all. That's one thing Dabs would do a lot of. He would do the jet motion a lot, then shelve it, then bring it back. Set concepts or combos up in September, bring them back but change them in December. If you watch Bills offense from 2021 from like week 3 compared to week 16, there's a ton of variability. If you watch the 2022 offense, it gets simpler and obviously, worse. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: O’Brien was a pretty good head coach. Awful GM. O'Brien was not a pretty good HC, he was mediocre at best as HC, he was an epically bad GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Your incel energy is high today buddy. Touch some grass and relax and no OC has gotten talked down as a coaching candidate for working for an offensive head coach like EB. Qb coaches for McVay become head coaches with less scrutiny than EB. McVay was blocking KOC from taking other OC jobs. https://www.therams.com/news/mcvay-kevin-oconnell-has-huge-say-huge-influence-on-how-we-want-to-operate Andy Reid has been campaigning for this dude to get off his staff. Maybe that's a difference. Who knows. Maybe the NFL just loves guys like Matt Patricia and Joe Judge like you said. Held in the highest regard among the media. lmao. Edited February 21, 2023 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: McVay was blocking KOC from taking other OC jobs. https://www.therams.com/news/mcvay-kevin-oconnell-has-huge-say-huge-influence-on-how-we-want-to-operate Andy Reid has been campaigning for this dude to get off his staff. Maybe that's a difference. Who knows. Maybe the NFL just loves guys like Matt Patricia and Joe Judge like you said. Held in the highest regard among the media. lmao. LMAO!!! or maybe Reid wants the guy to get a job because he deserves one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: LMAO!!! or maybe Reid wants the guy to get a job because he deserves one. Reid blocked Matt Nagy from taking an OC job. Oh and he let Nagy call plays in KC. But no, everyone hates EB despite Joe Mixon playing in the NFL or something, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I think he is going to fail as a HC / OC in Washington. He was handed the keys to a Lambo in KC. The best offensive head coach to work under who still basically calls the plays and sets them up, and he has had the best QB and TE in the game. Elite TE are the toughest offensive player to defend against Bienemi has none of that in Wsh. I expect him to not do great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 My take on EB is it is a combination of all that is talked about. The historical off field stuff is real. I have heard from people I trust that his first go round on the interview circuit after the 1st Superbowl win he was REALLY unprepared, even though he is supposed to have improved that stuff sticks. He has not called plays. But also, he is black. It is the combination of all of it. If he succeeds in Washington I think it happens for him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 He was partly available for the Chiefs do not need compensation picks and some may have been wary of making a move benefiting them. Now if he is successful for a year or two Washington can get one. I wonder if there are any limits on number of comp picks which can be given for one person hired and rehired and rehired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 18 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, shady is such a great character guy. Totally respect what he says and he probably is not bitter at all after not playing more in KC. this stuff could be fairly true but what an awful source. It’s like asking Kyrie his opinion of the Brooklyn nets. I mean for years you told us how terrible Andy Reid was. Haven’t heard that take from you in a while. 😉 Yeah, even if he was a figurehead OC (like Matt Nagy who got a head coaching job), he still would have a ton of awesome concepts from Reid. And for crappy as Nagy is, he made MT passable for a year. LOL i've come around. It's not like it was a national secret Reid struggled on big game day calling. Mahomes is just what he needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I think it says a lot that the Chiefs did not try to match the contract offer or the title he got from the Commanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 On 2/14/2023 at 2:02 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: Seems the Chefs are stealing our plays! https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/chiefs-coach-super-bowl-stolen-play/ Man I miss watching this style of Bills play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: I think it says a lot that the Chiefs did not try to match the contract offer or the title he got from the Commanders. It confirmed what everyone knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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