Max Fischer Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 McDermott. He met ridiculously high expectations, only three losses by eight points, overcame numerous internal and external challenges and still favored to win the SB. Daboll and a few others are worthy but McDermott is most deserving. On 1/18/2023 at 12:37 AM, That's No Moon said: Shanahan is on his 3rd QB and the team is better now than they were in September. Shanahan deserves high praise and has an outstanding system, but overcoming QB injuries might have more to say about Garrapollo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, bobobonators said: All good points Thanks, and I don't blame your poll choices, those are the ones most talked about. I actually think its a shame that both McD and Pete Carroll are not getting more COY love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) Daboll was the lock until Brock Purdy came along. To storm into the playoffs as a SB favorite with your 3rd string QB is an all-time great accomplishment. I don't know if anyone can stop SF right now. Daboll's story of turning around a ***** team and taking NYG to the playoffs for the first time in 6 years with the exact same talent they had last year when they went 4-13 is awesome, but Shanahan is writing a story that will get him to the HoF this season. McD isn't even on the board for me. The bills were supposed to roll this year, and instead they mostly limped through. Props for showing heart and winning tough games, but they made most of it look way harder than they should have. Maybe they'll have enough gas in the tank to still win it all, but they were a much more impressive looking team in each of the past two years than they were this year from my perspective. Edited January 19, 2023 by BullBuchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Thanks, and I don't blame your poll choices, those are the ones most talked about. I actually think its a shame that both McD and Pete Carroll are not getting more COY love. If Seattle doesn't go 3-5 over their last 8, he probably gets more credit. As it stands I think he's in the argument for 3rd behind Daboll. NYG's cupboard was bare, and the Seahawks still had a lot of talent outside QB, including a possible OROY. Edited January 19, 2023 by BullBuchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 I picked Campbell but only because I enjoy that lions squad he’s got. I think shanahan wins (deservedly so) and Daboll gets within striking distance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Daboll was the lock until Brock Purdy came along. To storm into the playoffs as a SB favorite with your 3rd string QB is an all-time great accomplishment. I don't know if anyone can stop SF right now. Daboll's story of turning around a ***** team and taking NYG to the playoffs for the first time in 6 years with the exact same talent they had last year when they went 4-13 is awesome, but Shanahan is writing a story that will get him to the HoF this season. McD isn't even on the board for me. The bills were supposed to roll this year, and instead they mostly limped through. Props for showing heart and winning tough games, but they made most of it look way harder than they should have. Maybe they'll have enough gas in the tank to still win it all, but they were a much more impressive looking team in each of the past two years than they were this year from my perspective. I don't think it's even a question though that San Fran has much more talent on their roster than the G-men do. Daboll has clearly done more with less IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: I don't think it's even a question though that San Fran has much more talent on their roster than the G-men do. Daboll has clearly done more with less IMO. Daboll still has a 1st round Qb and #2 overall RB. Shanny did it with Mr irrelevant. QB is everything in the NFL and Kyle Shanahan changed the rules. He'll win with whatever dude is sleeping on your couch. Edited January 19, 2023 by BullBuchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Daboll still has a 1st round Qb and #2 overall RB. Shanny did it with Mr irrelevant. QB is everything in the NFL and Kyle Shanahan changed the rules. He'll win with whatever dude is sleeping on your couch. Daniel Jones? LOL There was talk the dude might not even make it through a few games at the beginning of the year. Dude has 3200 yds and 15 TDs and you're making it sound like he's Josh Allen. Claiming Shanahan is coach of the year because of Purdy is like saying Belichick was coach of the year because the GM caught lightning in a bottle drafting Brady. Just between McCaffrey, Samuel, and Kittle, that's more talent than the Giants' entire offensive side of the ball. I'm not even going to mention the defensive side of the ball because it's not even close. The Giants also play in the most competitive division in football, while the NFC West is largely a joke. Edited January 20, 2023 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Daniel Jones? LOL There was talk the dude might not even make it through a few games at the beginning of the year. Dude has 3200 yds and 15 TDs and you're making it sound like he's Josh Allen. Claiming Shanahan is coach of the year because of Purdy is like saying Belichick was coach of the year because the GM caught lightning in a bottle drafting Brady. Just between McCaffrey, Samuel, and Kittle, that's more talent than the Giants' entire offensive side of the ball. I'm not even going to mention the defensive side of the ball because it's not even close. Nah that's all a really big mischaracterization of what happened. There was talk Daniel Jones wouldn't make it through, because he previously wasn't any good, and now he's turned it around. If the talent wasn't there, he wouldn't have been the 1st QB off the baord. Daboll got that out of him and that's to be commended, but he started with good raw materials. As for Brock Purdy, it's yet to be determined if he's Tom Brady or Nick Mullens. You make it sound like winning games with your #1, #2, and #3 int he NFL isn't a miraculous feat. This isn't Bama. Most NFL teams don't have 1 legitimate talent, yet Shanahan throughout his career has put together great offenses and big seasons despite never having a great QB. I think doing it with a rookie #3 this year cements that legacy that he can win with just about anyone. Obviously they have more talent, but they also have the results to match. The giants mostly puttered through the regular season winning close games. The 49ers on the other hand dismantled team the way the Bills did last year. I think that's more impressive. It's one thing to win, but it's another entirely to roll. The 49ers had the same talent level the last 2 years and didn't roll like this. Daboll may win it, and that's ok. He did an AMAZING job. Shanahan was just better. Edited January 20, 2023 by BullBuchanan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Nah that's all a really big mischaracterization of what happened. There was talk Daniel Jones wouldn't make it through, because he previously wasn't any good, and now he's turned it around. If the talent wasn't there, he wouldn't have been the 1st QB off the baord. Daboll got that out of him and that's to be commended, but he started with good raw materials. As for Brock Purdy, it's yet to be determined if he's Tom Brady or Nick Mullens. You make it sound like winning games with your #1, #2, and #3 int he NFL isn't a miraculous feat. This isn't Bama. Most NFL teams don't have 1 legitimate talent, yet Shanahan throughout his career has put together great offenses and big seasons despite never having a great QB. I think doing it with a rookie #3 this year cements that legacy that he can win with just about anyone. Obviously they have more talent, but they also have the results to match. The giants mostly puttered through the regular season winning close games. The 49ers on the other hand dismantled team the way the Bills did last year. I think that's more impressive. It's one thing to win, but it's another entirely to roll. The 49ers had the same talent level the last 2 years and didn't roll like this. Daboll may win it, and that's ok. He did an AMAZING job. Shanahan was just better. The Giants also play in the most competitive division in football, where the NFC West is pretty trash. I'm not losing sleep over it either way, but it just looks to me like Daboll got them where they are with less to work with, while playing better competition overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Terrible thread on a Bills board. To not name the HC of the team this board is centered around is silly. McD overcame more than any other coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Terrible thread on a Bills board. To not name the HC of the team this board is centered around is silly. McD overcame more than any other coach. Kinda hard to give McD coach of the year when the Bills were betting favorites to win the SB coming into the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 No McD? I voted Dabs but I almost voted Pederson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Billz4ever said: Kinda hard to give McD coach of the year when the Bills were betting favorites to win the SB coming into the season. Couldn’t disagree more. What this team has gone through this year is unprecedented. There isn’t a better leader of men in the NFL than McDermott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 6:59 AM, PetermansRedemption said: My rankings would be 1.Daboll 2.Peterson 3.Campbell 4. Tomlin Tomlin? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, MJS said: Tomlin? Why? I think Tomlin did a heck of a job as usual. They finished the season with a winning record. TJ Watt, who for my money is the best defensive player in the game, missed 7 games. Steelers were 8-2 in games he played in this year. They were in a transition year with a rookie QB and still managed a winning season while missing their best player for a large chunk of the season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Nah that's all a really big mischaracterization of what happened. There was talk Daniel Jones wouldn't make it through, because he previously wasn't any good, and now he's turned it around. If the talent wasn't there, he wouldn't have been the 1st QB off the baord. Daboll got that out of him and that's to be commended, but he started with good raw materials. As for Brock Purdy, it's yet to be determined if he's Tom Brady or Nick Mullens. You make it sound like winning games with your #1, #2, and #3 int he NFL isn't a miraculous feat. This isn't Bama. Most NFL teams don't have 1 legitimate talent, yet Shanahan throughout his career has put together great offenses and big seasons despite never having a great QB. I think doing it with a rookie #3 this year cements that legacy that he can win with just about anyone. Obviously they have more talent, but they also have the results to match. The giants mostly puttered through the regular season winning close games. The 49ers on the other hand dismantled team the way the Bills did last year. I think that's more impressive. It's one thing to win, but it's another entirely to roll. The 49ers had the same talent level the last 2 years and didn't roll like this. Daboll may win it, and that's ok. He did an AMAZING job. Shanahan was just better. I struggled between Shanahan and Daboll. I think most will. I think something can be made of the NFCW weakness this season when compared to NFCE. The Chiefs played the 49ers in SF, and obliterated them. Look at the 49ers schedule this season. It had to be among the easiest in the nfl Bears - joke Hawks - above avg Broncos - joke Rams - joke Panthers - joke Falcons - joke Chiefs - really good Rams - joke Chargers - above avg Cardinals - joke Saints - below avg Dolphins - good Bucs - avg Hawks - above avg Commanders - avg Raiders - joke Cardinals - joke At least 9 games vs horrible teams. Props to them for handling business though. The Chiefs game might be indicative of their slightly inflated W/L record. Look up the Giants schedule - it’s not even close how much harder it was. Edited January 20, 2023 by bobobonators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 28 minutes ago, bobobonators said: I struggled between Shanahan and Daboll. I think most will. I think something can be made of the NFCW weakness this season when compared to NFCE. The Chiefs played the 49ers in SF, and obliterated them. Look at the 49ers schedule this season. It had to be among the easiest in the nfl Bears - joke Hawks - above avg Broncos - joke Rams - joke Panthers - joke Falcons - joke Chiefs - really good Rams - joke Chargers - above avg Cardinals - joke Saints - below avg Dolphins - good Bucs - avg Hawks - above avg Commanders - avg Raiders - joke Cardinals - joke At least 9 games vs horrible teams. Props to them for handling business though. The Chiefs game might be indicative of their slightly inflated W/L record. Look up the Giants schedule - it’s not even close how much harder it was. You're way off on the strength of a lot of these teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 4 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Terrible thread on a Bills board. To not name the HC of the team this board is centered around is silly. McD overcame more than any other coach. Some fans just have the self hating thing going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 10:18 AM, BucketList said: I also voted for Daboll but will comment that the team he inherited had lots of talent. They were very poorly coached and managed by the previous staff (Judge and company). I think Daboll is a QB whisperer and knows how use talent properly. He also gets big time credit for hiring Kafka from KC as his OC and Wink Martindale as his DC. Isiah hodgins who our staff didn't think even deserved a roster spot is his wr1 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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