Biden, A Good American President, Pilfers Classified Docs

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

They are different because of intent. Prosecutors can show intent in the Trump case, but it’s not clear yet that they can with Biden.

 

That is obviously subject to change as the investigation continues but from what we know at this stage, that is the difference. 

Your commitment to the cause is admirable, that should be acknowledged.  Only a true believer can see multiple issues over a 7 year period and stick to the script.   Documents in the office.  Documents in the house.  Documents in the garage.  Documents, documents everywhere, and still who can say if he intended to possess anything? 

Could be staffers who thought they were hiding Easter Eggs on the old timer.  
 

#staytuned 
 

 

[ChiGoose]

9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Your commitment to the cause is admirable, that should be acknowledged.  Only a true believer can see multiple issues over a 7 year period and stick to the script.   Documents in the office.  Documents in the house.  Documents in the garage.  Documents, documents everywhere, and still who can say if he intended to possess anything? 

Could be staffers who thought they were hiding Easter Eggs on the old timer.  
 

#staytuned 
 

 

Your commitment to jumping to conclusions not supported by the facts (or even logic) is admirable, that should be acknowledged. 
 

But, at this stage, we don’t know that the documents were discovered earlier and ignored. You seem to be assuming that Biden was using these documents for years and then suddenly decided he wanted to be in trouble and come clean. 

Maybe that’s the case and Biden secretly has a fetish for punishment, but it seems fairly unlikely to me. Why would he notify anyone if this was intentional? In that scenario, he’s been getting away with it for years, why stop now?

 

Seems more likely they were put places they shouldn’t have but weren’t discovered until recently.

 

If Biden intentionally took the documents, he should be charged when he leaves office. But to say at this stage that is definitely what happened is making assumptions not supported by the public facts. 

 

[JDHillFan]

20 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Your commitment to jumping to conclusions not supported by the facts (or even logic) is admirable, that should be acknowledged. 
 

But, at this stage, we don’t know that the documents were discovered earlier and ignored. You seem to be assuming that Biden was using these documents for years and then suddenly decided he wanted to be in trouble and come clean. 

Maybe that’s the case and Biden secretly has a fetish for punishment, but it seems fairly unlikely to me. Why would he notify anyone if this was intentional? In that scenario, he’s been getting away with it for years, why stop now?

 

Seems more likely they were put places they shouldn’t have but weren’t discovered until recently.

 

If Biden intentionally took the documents, he should be charged when he leaves office. But to say at this stage that is definitely what happened is making assumptions not supported by the public facts. 

 

Don’t forget about the boxes! Everything was in a box and not even someone as sharp as you knows what they have in boxes. 

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Don’t forget about the boxes! Everything was in a box and not even someone as sharp as you knows what they have in boxes. 

Just trying to illustrate that it’s possible to be in the same room as an object without knowing it’s there. But you do you, buddy. 

[JDHillFan]

9 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Has everyone forgotten the existence of boxes? Like, do you think he had a document marked classified sitting on the passenger seat of his vette? Or does he have X-ray vision and can automatically detect that there’s a classified document in any room?

And you do you, pal. 

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

And you do you, pal. 

Thanks! I’ll continue to stick to the facts and avoid jumping to conclusions instead of the simplest explanations. I know that makes me fairly unique here but at least it provides a break from the tin foil hats. 

[BillsFanNC]

@ChiGoose hero, Meathead.

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

ABC "news" going full chigoose.

 

These are all just mistakes! And don't you worry because we will fix them.

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

The first docs were found in November, in a think tank that opened in 2018. Staffer. Biden in 2018.  Neither were allowed to have or transfer them to that location.  

 

And was not immediately turned in. we just read about them this week.

 

 

13 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

ABC "news" going full chigoose.

 

These are all just mistakes! And don't you worry because we will fix them.

 

 

More like thats where Goose got its latest whataboutism narrative from.

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Your commitment to jumping to conclusions not supported by the facts (or even logic) is admirable, that should be acknowledged. 
 

But, at this stage, we don’t know that the documents were discovered earlier and ignored. You seem to be assuming that Biden was using these documents for years and then suddenly decided he wanted to be in trouble and come clean. 

Maybe that’s the case and Biden secretly has a fetish for punishment, but it seems fairly unlikely to me. Why would he notify anyone if this was intentional? In that scenario, he’s been getting away with it for years, why stop now?

 

Seems more likely they were put places they shouldn’t have but weren’t discovered until recently.

 

If Biden intentionally took the documents, he should be charged when he leaves office. But to say at this stage that is definitely what happened is making assumptions not supported by the public facts. 

 

Slow down with the naughty talk, Chi.  It’s unprofessional and offensive to some people. 
 

I understand your angle, I really do.  You take what is known—which is next to nothing—backfill a narrative based on your preferred outcome, and suggest others should jump to the same speculative conclusion that you do.   
 

What we know, at best, is the following:

 

• Biden had material (classified, top secret, whatever falls into that category) in his possession that appears to be in violate the law;
• The material was in a minimum of four separate areas, including a garage;
• Biden’s legal team has made statements that may or may not be true about how/when/where the documents were found;
• Biden has made comments on such behavior as it relates to a former president, and certainly seems to think possessing such material is extremely reckless and dangerous. He seems to feel that standard does not apply to him;
• Biden has had experience in the proper handling of classified material for nearly 50 years, and based on reports, began violating the law as early as 2013.  
• We have no idea where the material was stored, how often it was moved, who may have had access to it, and likely never will;
• The Biden WH has not been transparent about this entire incident, including  revealing the news when the classified  material is reported to have been discovered in early November;
   

Look, this material may well have been planted by a staffer as some have suggested.   This may be more disinformation planted by Russians, or maybe the French.  
 

What I will say is taking the self-serving narrative offered by his handlers—all of whim may have violated the law—as “fact” is just plumb silly.
 

At a minimum, relying on this team to tell the truth after extraordinarily reckless behavior seems unreasonable.  

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

@ChiGoose hero, Meathead.

 

 

 

If you really want to go down a rabbit hole. Research how he found the phoenix clan?  while the phoenix clan was part of a Cult tied with human trafficking.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Once again, all of this is very easily cleared up if a security clearance congressional representative from each party would simply be given 30 minutes to together look at the documents in a conference room. If these documents are about unrelated topics of no obvious importance than this is a non issue and BOTH Presidents should get a stern slap on the wrist (and everyone else in Washington should get a two hour mandatory seminar). However…if the documents are ‘something else’ then let the debate and allegations ensue. 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Once again, all of this is very easily cleared up if a security clearance congressional representative from each party would simply be given 30 minutes to together look at the documents in a conference room. If these documents are about unrelated topics of no obvious importance than this is a non issue and BOTH Presidents should get a stern slap on the wrist (and everyone else in Washington should get a two hour mandatory seminar). However…if the documents are ‘something else’ then let the debate and allegations ensue. 

In a sane world, thats probably fact.

 

in DC. since its classified, they cant say what it is. and it would probably become a football.  and each sides teams would never trust the reps from the other side.

 

But your statement is what normies and adults would  do.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

34 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

In a sane world, thats probably fact.

 

in DC. since its classified, they cant say what it is. and it would probably become a football.  and each sides teams would never trust the reps from the other side.

 

But your statement is what normies and adults would  do.

 

 

If our government isn’t ‘sane’ then honestly, what the heck are we doing anymore.

[BillsFanNC]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

If our government isn’t ‘sane’ then honestly, what the heck are we doing anymore.

 

Exactly. 

 

I know what we shouldn't be doing. Business as usual and pretending as though the leftist communists who have overtaken our institutions and government can be dealt with in good faith.

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Exactly. 

 

I know what we shouldn't be doing. Business as usual and pretending as though the leftist communists who have overtaken our institutions and government can be dealt with in good faith.

I'll agree, but only somewhat. While I agree that the State and Local education sectors have been taken over by far left nut jobs (teacher's union, etc.). The executive and middle management level within the Federal Government are really just interested in growing the size of their various departments, staff, power, etc. If that means they need to lean Left for now, they'll do so. As they see it, anyone who threatens to shine a light on the waste, and resulting corruption, must be eliminated.

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Once again, all of this is very easily cleared up if a security clearance congressional representative from each party would simply be given 30 minutes to together look at the documents in a conference room. If these documents are about unrelated topics of no obvious importance than this is a non issue and BOTH Presidents should get a stern slap on the wrist (and everyone else in Washington should get a two hour mandatory seminar). However…if the documents are ‘something else’ then let the debate and allegations ensue. 

We can’t trust them.  They can’t trust us. 
 

The problem is at times we are them and they are us.  
 

PS Always remember in virtually every movie, when the zombie apocalypse hits, it seems the good guy with good ideas about fairness and righteousness is always chomped on first. 

[Doc]

21 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

The issue is intent. If it is truly accidental, it's unlikely to be prosecuted. One way of avoiding the intent issue is that if you discover the documents, you immediately contact the authorities and hand them over. Here are some cases where people didn't do that:

• United States v. Gonzalez, 16 M.J. 428 (1983)
  • Defendant inadvertently took two classified documents when visiting a friend in Alaska. He discovered them when he arrived, put them in a desk drawer to retrieve them later but forgot. The documents were later discovered by someone else who turned them over to the government.
• United States v. Kendra Kingsbury
  • FBI agent took classified documents and stored them in her home, knowing this violated the law
• United States v. Ahmedelhadi Yassin Serageldin
  • Contractor took documents home, altered the classification markings and lied when confronted about it
• United States v. Harold T. Martin III
  • Contractor took classified documents knowing that he was not allowed to do so

In the first one, the guy is probably not indicted if he drops everything and returns the documents immediately when he discovers the problem. He doesn't, and then suffers the consequences.

 

And like I said from the beginning, Trump won't be indicted because they can't prove intent.  And Joke won't be indicted either.  They'll both get a stern talking to and that will be the end of that.

[BillsFanNC]

 

 

[BillStime]

It’s so nice to see the cult come around and see the importance of handling classified documents.

 

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

It’s so nice to see the cult come around and see the importance of handling classified documents.

 

 

Whoever the "cult" is, perhaps they were moved to serious personal reflection after hearing Biden sermonize about his life long serious approach to such matters just months before they were discovered in every property he owns. 

[Tenhigh]

On 1/16/2023 at 10:01 AM, redtail hawk said:

not chaste but decent.  he f'd up here and it will appropriately cost him.  trump's indecent and leading others into indecency.  he f's up all the time, often purposefully and it only occasionally costs him.  I get it.  life's not fair.  but I don't cheer for cheaters.

Trump is a POS human being.  But remember, Biden is the guy who dropped out of his first presidential race in disgrace after being caught for plagiarism and lying about his academic record. He not only lied about his civil rights activism but is on record being racist af. He used his dead son for political gain, for Pete's sake.  Degree of scumbag? Sure, Trump wins that, but not by as much as you think. 

Edited January 18, 2023 by Tenhigh

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, sherpa said:

 

Whoever the "cult" is, perhaps they were moved to serious personal reflection after hearing Biden sermonize about his life long serious approach to such matters just months before they were discovered in every property he owns. 

It’s so nice to see the *cult* come around and acknowledge the importance of handling classified documents.

 

 

[Tenhigh]

Just now, BillStime said:

It’s so nice to see the *cult* come around and acknowledge the importance of handling classified documents.

 

 

How that could possibly happen? How one-- anyone could be that irresponsible. And I thought what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods? By that I mean names of people who helped or th-- et cetera. And it just-- totally irresponsible.

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Tenhigh said:

How that could possibly happen? How one-- anyone could be that irresponsible. And I thought what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods? By that I mean names of people who helped or th-- et cetera. And it just-- totally irresponsible.

So why did Trump steal over 300 pieces of classified docs?

 

And refuse to return them and play hard to get?

 

He was asked nicely several times to cooperate and chose not to…

 

Now do Biden 

[sherpa]

10 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Now do Biden 

 

Don't have to "do Biden."

Biden is not only done, he's being done by his own party as they abandon ship.

 

Glad to see both he and Trump gone, if it works out that way.

[B-Man]

 

 

The word has gone out. 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

55 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Don't have to "do Biden."

Biden is not only done, he's being done by his own party as they abandon ship.

 

Glad to see both he and Trump gone, if it works out that way.

Wait - you can’t provide any details about Biden? You had to deflect and PROJECT?

 

Red wave was phenomenal, eh?

 

F’n idiots w no balls whatsoever

[BillStime]

54 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

The word has gone out. 

 

 

 

 

 

BiDeN dOcUmEnT sCaNdAL

 

How do you post this with a straight face?

 

lolz

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

Sounds legit. Everything done "by the book" Susan Rice style.

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

9 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

Don't have to "do Biden."

Biden is not only done, he's being done by his own party as they abandon ship.

 

Glad to see both he and Trump gone, if it works out that way.

2024 Desantis vs H Jefferies is gonna be lit.

[BillsFanNC]

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

11 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

The interesting part about this to me is that for all the bureaucracy and multiple layers of government designed to ensure ordinary citizens are doing the right thing, the decision to let an extraordinarily reckless individual and his extraordinarily reckless team self-manage this review is normalized. 
 

The deal goes like this:

Politically connected individual completely disregards law;

Politically connected individual engages in a pattern of similar activity over at least a 5+ year period of time;

Politically connected individual acts in an extraordinarily reckless manner during the entire time said law is being violated;

Politicized DOJ decides the best course of action is to allow the politically connected individual and his extraordinarily reckless team to self-report on potentially illegal action. 

 

Sadly, @ChiGoose was right here.  All these establishment types need is the right people in office, at the right time, to reveal that indeed, some people are above the law.  
 

 

[SoCal Deek]

24 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The interesting part about this to me is that for all the bureaucracy and multiple layers of government designed to ensure ordinary citizens are doing the right thing, the decision to let an extraordinarily reckless individual and his extraordinarily reckless team self-manage this review is normalized. 
 

The deal goes like this:

Politically connected individual completely disregards law;

Politically connected individual engages in a pattern of similar activity over at least a 5+ year period of time;

Politically connected individual acts in an extraordinarily reckless manner during the entire time said law is being violated;

Politicized DOJ decides the best course of action is to allow the politically connected individual and his extraordinarily reckless team to self-report on potentially illegal action. 

 

Sadly, @ChiGoose was right here.  All these establishment types need is the right people in office, at the right time, to reveal that indeed, some people are above the law.  
 

 

This isn’t complicated and it isn’t Right against Left. We now have an unelected bureaucracy running the country. They don’t care how much corruption is going on up the street at the Capitol or the White House. They have one collective goal and that’s to keep their ridiculous jobs, grow the size of their staff, and retire securely. A few of these bureaucrats are agenda driven nut cases, but the majority are happiest when the public’s attention is anywhere but on their meaningless jobs. Biden, Clinton, and Fauci are no threat to these folks. They skate through Washington from administration to administration. But as soon as an elected official starts asking too many questions…they have to go! 

[BillsFanNC]

30 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The interesting part about this to me is that for all the bureaucracy and multiple layers of government designed to ensure ordinary citizens are doing the right thing, the decision to let an extraordinarily reckless individual and his extraordinarily reckless team self-manage this review is normalized. 
 

The deal goes like this:

Politically connected individual completely disregards law;

Politically connected individual engages in a pattern of similar activity over at least a 5+ year period of time;

Politically connected individual acts in an extraordinarily reckless manner during the entire time said law is being violated;

Politicized DOJ decides the best course of action is to allow the politically connected individual and his extraordinarily reckless team to self-report on potentially illegal action. 

 

Sadly, @ChiGoose was right here.  All these establishment types need is the right people in office, at the right time, to reveal that indeed, some people are above the law.  
 

 

 

But they were very quickly able to determine intent in this case. Like immediately. So this all makes sense.

 

 

 

[Irv]

10 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

The word has gone out. 

 

 

 

 

 

Totally incompetent.  What a mess.  

[B-Man]

 

"The impressively weak effort to ‘whatabout’ Biden’s classified documents" (WaPo).

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/17/biden-trump-classified-documents/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tenhigh]

12 hours ago, BillStime said:

So why did Trump steal over 300 pieces of classified docs?

 

And refuse to return them and play hard to get?

 

He was asked nicely several times to cooperate and chose not to…

 

Now do Biden 

Trump is a spiteful POS. You realize my quote was exactly what Biden said about Trump docs, right?  Uncle Joe normalized plagiarism for me.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Tenhigh

[Joe Ferguson forever]

11 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Trump is a spiteful POS. You realize my quote was exactly what Biden said about Trump docs, right?  Uncle Joe normalized plagiarism for me.

plagiarising Neil Kinnock was stupid and done a long time ago.  No one but biden was hurt.  It pales in comparison to lying 1000's of times while in office, including about the most deadly pandemic in our lifetime.  I doubt kinnock was that upset especially compared to critically ill people who initially had no idea what was making them sick.  On the other hand, his friends were happy to buy stock in zoom.  No comparison in character between biden and trump.

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

plagiarising Neil Kinnock was stupid and done a long time ago.  No one but biden was hurt.  It pales in comparison to lying 1000's of times while in office, including about the most deadly pandemic in our lifetime.  I doubt kinnock was that upset especially compared to critically ill people who initially had no idea what was making them sick.  On the other hand, his friends were happy to buy stock in zoom.  No comparison in character between biden and trump.

You have got to be kidding….right?