Ya Digg? Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 16 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: Edmunds has had a fine season, but when we were getting gashed by the Dolphins, I felt it was exhibit A of why he shouldn’t get a substantial $14M/yr+ contract after this season. Allocate that money to the offense, specifically OL, and let Bernard or a rookie compete with AJK for the position opposite Milano. Sure the defense won’t be as strong, but seeing as how they never really shut down a top offense, it’s better to get Josh the help he needs to sustain a high level of play. For a team up against the salary cap, tough decisions will be made… I’m all for getting Josh more help, but holy crap the thought of Bernard or Klein starting the entire season scares me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 16 hours ago, Governor said: We understand his role. The problem is that he doesn’t make the play when the ball or ball carrier enters his area of the field. He makes plenty of splash plays. He splashes into the pile right after the tackle is made..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 People say he doesn’t lay the lumber on running backs but I imagine running into him would be like running into a light pole. I forget who said it but the said they had never been hit so hard before. Just sayin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Edmunds is still only 24 years old. Poyer is 31. That answers which one is more likely to be back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 17 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: If you did it based on play this season then it would be: 1. Poyer 2. Oliver 3. Edmunds But I think they are going to put more weight on the position and their perceived importance to the defensive scheme so probably: 1. Oliver 2. Edmunds 3. Poyer (probably not able to retain) Edmunds disappears in games and despite his gigantic size he seems to be easily blocked out of plays and isn't a big hitter. He doesn't make the "splash plays" that a star LB should be making. He plays the Kuechly position, he should be gobbling up stats but Milano is far and away the star of the LB's. I think they will sign him and hope that he keeps improving and you can't coach size and he is able to get in the way of a lot of passes without doing much but standing there So I take it you weren’t paying attention to what was going on whenever Edmonds was out 34 minutes ago, nosejob said: He makes plenty of splash plays. He splashes into the pile right after the tackle is made..... Glasses should be required for watching games 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 People keep saying we have to create a lot of cap space for Edmunds. He's making 12.7MM this year on his 5th year option. Sign him to a 4 yr deal and spread the signing bonus, and he actually could help the cap in 2023. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 17 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: Edmunds has had a fine season, but when we were getting gashed by the Dolphins, I felt it was exhibit A of why he shouldn’t get a substantial $14M/yr+ contract after this season. Allocate that money to the offense, specifically OL, and let Bernard or a rookie compete with AJK for the position opposite Milano. Sure the defense won’t be as strong, but seeing as how they never really shut down a top offense, it’s better to get Josh the help he needs to sustain a high level of play. For a team up against the salary cap, tough decisions will be made… It’s taken me a few years to get here but I’m on the “Sign TE” side now. My eyeball tells me that the Bills don’t GAF if you can run on them, because our O can outscore any run game. We schematically seem to sell out on the pass and essentially hope they “waste a down” by running. We get gashed by the run occasionally but we rarely get gashed through the air and TE is the key to that. I’ll admit, I don’t like the approach. VERY frustrating to watch us stay in Nickel as the opponent methodically marches down the field. The thing is, the opponent drive often stalls as it’s difficult to string that many positive plays in a row. I don’t think there are many (any?) other LBs in the NFL that ALLOWS us to run the D we currently run successfully. Like I said, this is all eyeball, but the games w/out TE really helped me see this perspective. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 18 hours ago, Sharky7337 said: I was all for signing these defensive core players, but after watching games, does it even really matter? I feel like you cannot stop the good offenses much anyways. I think I'd rather spend the money on offense. Spending the money doesn’t guarantee a good player, even more so if that player will fit in the scheme. Drafting and developing is very important, and the team should instead put a priority on offensive positions moving forward in the draft. As hard as defense can be these days, the Bills have s good one, and we all see the major drop off when Edmonds is out. To me, he is the number 1 resign based on age, position, play. He’s stepped up huge this year, and for most of the board him being, “young” and developing has been running joke, yet here we are, he has taking a major step forward. At this point, there is no reason to doubt that he won’t continue to make strides in his overall play. He’s definitely playing with a lot more confidence this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Tanoros said: Spending the money doesn’t guarantee a good player, even more so if that player will fit in the scheme. Drafting and developing is very important, and the team should instead put a priority on offensive positions moving forward in the draft. As hard as defense can be these days, the Bills have s good one, and we all see the major drop off when Edmonds is out. To me, he is the number 1 resign based on age, position, play. He’s stepped up huge this year, and for most of the board him being, “young” and developing has been running joke, yet here we are, he has taking a major step forward. At this point, there is no reason to doubt that he won’t continue to make strides in his overall play. He’s definitely playing with a lot more confidence this year. My issue is when the majority of players we draft and develop don't produce at their draft level until their last year before free agency if at all. The obvious two exceptions being tre white, Edmunds(arguably), milano. Oliver, epenesa, Basham, Phillips (harrison), Rousseau, Hamlin, Joquan, elam, the linebacker we took this year Some of these are arguable and or having decent seasons, but if we are not getting the production except for one year and getting average to below average play while they "develop" it starts to look like a bad formula. By the time they become an asset they leave for money. Oliver is being on the list due to his draft position more so then his play, but every year he's supposed to become this big impact guy, flashes like once or twice, but then never seems to be consistent Edited January 1, 2023 by Sharky7337 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 36 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said: It’s taken me a few years to get here but I’m on the “Sign TE” side now. My eyeball tells me that the Bills don’t GAF if you can run on them, because our O can outscore any run game. We schematically seem to sell out on the pass and essentially hope they “waste a down” by running. We get gashed by the run occasionally but we rarely get gashed through the air and TE is the key to that. I’ll admit, I don’t like the approach. VERY frustrating to watch us stay in Nickel as the opponent methodically marches down the field. The thing is, the opponent drive often stalls as it’s difficult to string that many positive plays in a row. I don’t think there are many (any?) other LBs in the NFL that ALLOWS us to run the D we currently run successfully. Like I said, this is all eyeball, but the games w/out TE really helped me see this perspective. Don’t feel bad. Beane still hasn’t decided whether to pay Edmunds or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 19 hours ago, Governor said: We understand his role. The problem is that he doesn’t make the play when the ball or ball carrier enters his area of the field. He has, by far, the lowest missed tackle rate on the team. He's been outstanding this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 45 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: My issue is when the majority of players we draft and develop don't produce at their draft level until their last year before free agency if at all. The obvious two exceptions being tre white, Edmunds(arguably), milano. Oliver, epenesa, Basham, Phillips (harrison), Rousseau, Hamlin, Joquan, elam, the linebacker we took this year Some of these are arguable and or having decent seasons, but if we are not getting the production except for one year and getting average to below average play while they "develop" it starts to look like a bad formula. By the time they become an asset they leave for money. Oliver is being on the list due to his draft position more so then his play, but every year he's supposed to become this big impact guy, flashes like once or twice, but then never seems to be consistent What in your mind would constitute playing up to their draft selection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 41 minutes ago, FireChans said: Don’t feel bad. Beane still hasn’t decided whether to pay Edmunds or not. Oh, interesting! What other top secret inside information did Beane tell you in your last conversation with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, MPT said: Oh, interesting! What other top secret inside information did Beane tell you in your last conversation with him? It's not top secret info that Edmunds is playing on his fifth year option and unsigned for next year. Tre White was extended in September of year 4. Josh was extended August of year 4. Tremaine was left twisting in the wind in year 5 like Stephon GIlmore (who also was not re-signed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Not to nitpick but I think run stop rate (used by Football Outsiders, but not sure when they compile/update it) is a better stat. Yes Edmunds doesn’t miss too many tackles. But too often he gets run over while making a tackle and the result is a first down. It’s happened much less this year but he’s just so tall, he gets out-leveraged. But again this is nitpicking. He’s been the most consistent player on defense this year other than Poyer, no question. He’s having a very good season. One game-changing play would sure be nice to get from him in the playoffs. He’s beyond due at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 I believe Edmunds will be priority #1 for re-signing. At the risk of repeating myself: he will complete 5 NFL seasons before turning 25. Reminder: Stetson Bennett is a 25 year old college boy. Edmunds has consistently improved, and his peak years - in a position that highly values experience - are ahead of him, and McD relies heavily on a MLB covering a lot of territory. He may not make the flashy plays, but he allows other playmakers like Poyer and Milano the freedom to do that. Lock him up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 49 minutes ago, FireChans said: It's not top secret info that Edmunds is playing on his fifth year option and unsigned for next year. Tre White was extended in September of year 4. Josh was extended August of year 4. Tremaine was left twisting in the wind in year 5 like Stephon GIlmore (who also was not re-signed) You can't compare a franchise QB to a LB no matter who the LB is. They also had a lot more resources to spare when Tre was signed. I'm not saying Beane is definitely going to sign him, but that's my point. Nobody outside the Bills front office knows what their plans are, and a few opinions from forum posters who don't recognize Edmunds' value certainly aren't evidence of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, MPT said: You can't compare a franchise QB to a LB no matter who the LB is. They also had a lot more resources to spare when Tre was signed. I'm not saying Beane is definitely going to sign him, but that's my point. Nobody outside the Bills front office knows what their plans are, and a few opinions from forum posters who don't recognize Edmunds' value certainly aren't evidence of anything. Evidence of him not being signed is evidence of him not being signed. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: Evidence of him not being signed is evidence of him not being signed. Lol Strawman argument and moving the goal posts all in one sentence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 21 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Top of the list to be signed to a long term extension next year imo. Over Ed Oliver Beane definitely has a lot to consider this off season & if he can find replacements cheaper in the draft Edmunds can demand top money for his position it should be interesting to say the least !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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