Jump to content

Is there any circumstances you would move on from McDermott after 2022?


Under what circumstance whout you move on from McDermott after 2022  

357 members have voted

  1. 1. Under what circumstance whout you move on from McDermott after 2022

    • Nothing. He's my head coach and still want him here no matter what happens in 2022
      265
    • Anything short of a SB appearance and/or championship
      10
    • Losing season/miss playoffs and injuries are not a main factor in this
      57
    • Losing to KC in the playoffs for a 3rd straight year
      25


Recommended Posts

7 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

IMO, it is an extremely simplistic version of dynamic. And I respect Gunner's opinions more than I respect anyone's on this board. 

 

If McDermott and Beane have a power struggle, then it's Beane who likely goes. That I believe. So in that respect, he does "serve at McD's pleasure" in a way.

 

But to think McDermott micromanages and makes the call on every move Beane makes is complete BS, IMO.  I know Gunner didn't say that, but others have intimated that Beane's decisions are dictated by McD.  That's not the case. McD let's Beane do his job. Beane knows what McD wants and needs and goes from there. He obviously takes input from the coaching staff. 

 

Yea I agree with this. I don't mean McDermott micromanages and makes every decision. They trust each other, they empower each other. But of the two of them the one with the most power in the organisation is Sean. I really struggle to forsee any scenario in which Sean would go and Brandon would stay. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Or ruin him. When you have a good thing going you don't make a bet you can do better. Besides, if as you say Josh will make anyone look good, just stay with what you have.

Like I said. It depends.

 

If they have disappointing playoff outs the next couple years and follow that up with a losing season, your not being realistic if you don’t think McDs job may be in question. 
 

Things change in the NFL pretty damn quick… not sure why fans have a hard time grasping that. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because this is McDermott's show. He is the boss. Beane serves at his pleasure. 

 

I think Terry and Kim Pegula would have something to say about that. Besides GM's and HC's aren't joined at the hip. For example Adam Gase was the one who helped Joe Douglas get the Jets GM job similar to McDermott playing a role to get Beane here. Douglas is still the Jets GM. What happened to Adam Gase?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

I think Terry and Kim Pegula would have something to say about that. Besides GM's and HC's aren't joined at the hip. For example Adam Gase was the one who helped Joe Douglas get the Jets GM job similar to McDermott playing a role to get Beane here. Douglas is still the Jets GM. What happened to Adam Gase?

 

This example is nothing like the Jets example. They were a dysfunctional mess whereas this is a totally aligned and functional organisation. I still can't conceive any scenario where Beane remains and McDermott goes. McDermott is very much Pegula's guy. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This example is nothing like the Jets example. They were a dysfunctional mess whereas this is a totally aligned and functional organisation. I still can't conceive any scenario where Beane remains and McDermott goes. McDermott is very much Pegula's guy. 

 

For the record I think both will be here a long time. But if McDermott were to get fired that doesn't mean Beane goes as well. Same if Beane were to get canned and McDermott stays.

  • Disagree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

For the record I think both will be here a long time. But if McDermott were to get fired that doesn't mean Beane goes as well. Same if Beane were to get canned and McDermott stays.

 

I can see a route to the second (though narrow), can't see a route to the first. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Like I said. It depends.

 

If they have disappointing playoff outs the next couple years and follow that up with a losing season, your not being realistic if you don’t think McDs job may be in question. 
 

Things change in the NFL pretty damn quick… not sure why fans have a hard time grasping that. 

As a Bills fan, you should know why.  Very good to great coaches don’t grow on trees. If you don’t have one, you usually end up with a new HC every 1-2 years and spin your wheels for a decade+.
 

Otherwise, I agree with your take.  He’s not untouchable until he wins a Super Bowl.  If we don’t make the Super Bowl over the course of the next 2 seasons, it might be time to find someone that can get us there.  We can’t waste 17.
 

If he wins one this I’d give him and Beane another 5 years.  

  • Agree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Nothing’s impossible but it’s as close to impossible as it gets to make such a massive screwup like that again.  Frazier and Daboll called all the plays last year I believe.

Didn’t it take Bill Cowher more than a decade or something to win one?

 

I think he may also be on that list, but again the point is that it's a very small list of teams/coaches that have accomplished this which is why it's not necessarily a good omen for McDermott.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

56 minutes ago, NewEra said:

As a Bills fan, you should know why.  Very good to great coaches don’t grow on trees. If you don’t have one, you usually end up with a new HC every 1-2 years and spin your wheels for a decade+.
 

Otherwise, I agree with your take.  He’s not untouchable until he wins a Super Bowl.  If we don’t make the Super Bowl over the course of the next 2 seasons, it might be time to find someone that can get us there.  We can’t waste 17.
 

If he wins one this I’d give him and Beane another 5 years.  

Yes… the people thinking he’s untouchable are completely out of touch with how this league works. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Quote

Nothing. He's my head coach and still want him here no matter what happens in 2022

Glad to see that is by far, the fans choice. It's time to stop knee-jerk firing people. Follow the Steelers model and have the same head coach for 15 years and counting.

 

Fantasy team owners forget it's a two-step process. It's always fun for them to fire someone. But if you fire him, then step 2: who you gonna hire who will be an improvement? I see no one out there who can be an improvement over McDermott.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If he was better than 90% of the coaches in the league he'd have a SB ring by now considering there is more than 10% of them currently coaching that have at least one.

 

Nobody is debating that he's not a good coach including myself. The question is whether or not he's good enough to take this team to the next level or just another modern day Marty Schotenheimer.

 

Also history is not on McDermott's side in terms of the history of coaches in this league that have won a SB after more than 5 seasons with a team. Ironically his mentor and nemesis Andy Reid is one of the few that have done this but it took landing a generational talent like Mahomes to finally do it.

This is just dumb.  He’s been a HC as long as McVay, who just won his first SB.  Prior to last season, would McVay have been considered outside of the top 10%?  But it took his GM trading picks at the deadline to get Von Miller to get that SB.  If Beane would have made that trade for Miller, McD probably would’ve won instead.  

 

Took Belichick 7 years.  
Took Landry 12 years 

Took Noll 6 years 

Andy Reid 21 years

Dungy 11 years 

Cowher 14 years 

Vermeil 10 years

 

 

 

 


 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 5/16/2022 at 8:34 PM, todd said:

Yeah, fire the best coach since Marv. Great idea! Total coaching staff overhaul that follows would be awesome! What the hell, why not just fire him now? Get a head start on it! 
 

Wasn’t there a similar crusade every week or two during the season? 

 

 

Individuals are often awesome. Groups of people are typically stupid.

 

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, boater said:

Glad to see that is by far, the fans choice. It's time to stop knee-jerk firing people. Follow the Steelers model and have the same head coach for 15 years and counting.

 

Fantasy team owners forget it's a two-step process. It's always fun for them to fire someone. But if you fire him, then step 2: who you gonna hire who will be an improvement? I see no one out there who can be an improvement over McDermott.

 

The steelers model is based on their current head coach getting his team to 3 SB's and winning 2 of them. He's also never had a losing season there which is absurd when you think about it.

 

So yah if McDermott can come close to matching Tomlin's record and accolades in this league why would you even think about firing him?

 

But the crux of the matter and premise of this thread is based on McDermott's current status (3-4 in the playoffs including 4 road losses) and lack of SB appearances/wins and how much longer the Pegulas can be patient if he fails to deliver again this year.

  • Disagree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I can see a route to the second (though narrow), can't see a route to the first. 

Of course you can. And imo it will happen if the Bills haven't won a Super Bowl by the time they need to start negotiating Allen's next contract.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Of course you can. And imo it will happen if the Bills haven't won a Super Bowl by the time they need to start negotiating Allen's next contract.

 

I agree if that happens McDermott is out. But Beane will be gone with him.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

As of right now, no..

 

This question probably reads to most as "If the Bills don't, at least, make the Super Bowl, would you consider moving on from McDermott?"

 

Of course, if the season goes off the rails, sure.. but we saw today, not one absence from a team event to be there for the community and honor those killed... McDermott is a leader of men, and I'm confident he leads us to Super Bowl win(s).  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hopefully he's treated like Mike Tomlin. I believe 15 yrs, 9 playoff appearances, 1 SB title, and not one losing season. After the 💩 show we've produced over the decades, I'll take it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...