Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 This guy is such an attention starved putz he will literally put lives on the line, slowing down much needed aid to a nation being threatened with total destruction. Quote (CNN)In a rare showing of public unity, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Republican Leader Mitch McConnell took to the Senate floor to press for quick passage of a $40 billion aid bill for Ukraine but were blocked by GOP Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky who is demanding changes to the legislation. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/politics/rand-paul-blocks-ukraine-aid/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 That Rand Paul sure is a far right nut case. How dare he ask for oversight on spending $40 billion! I mean that might prevent the Big Guy getting his 10% 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 How does All I requested is an amendment to be included in the final bill that allows for the Inspector General to oversee how funds are spent. square with Passing this bill brings the total we’ve sent to Ukraine to nearly $54 billion over the course of two months. It’s threatening our own national security, and it’s frankly a slap in the face to millions of taxpayers who are struggling to buy gas, groceries, and find baby formula. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: That Rand Paul sure is a far right nut case. How dare he ask for oversight on spending $40 billion! I mean that might prevent the Big Guy getting his 10% Hard not to get the impression part of the agenda of a new MGAG congress would be to reverse our foreign policy of containing the dictators and begin the process started under Trump to trying and divide the free nations. DR scum is all in for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Hard not to get the impression part of the agenda of a new MGAG congress would be to reverse our foreign policy of containing the dictators and begin the process started under Trump to trying and divide the free nations. DR scum is all in for that That’s our foreign policy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Quote You've chosen to ignore content by 716er. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. Options I'm certain that both of these posts address in detail why that it's a bad idea to request oversight on spending $40 billion of taxpayer dollars. They also probably say nothing about Trump either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I expected this hand waiving to be about him blocking the aid because Ukraine is not our problem, but even the CNN article said Quote The change Paul is seeking would create a special inspector general to oversee how the Ukraine military aid is spent. Members from both parties broadly agree with that notion, but forcing a change to the bill at this stage would be very time consuming and would slow getting the needed aid to Ukraine. it’s very time consuming to make sure someone is accountable for the spending? WTF is wrong with these people? Why isn’t that a hard requirement of any new spending bill???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I support fiscal responsibility and due diligence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: That’s our foreign policy? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 54 minutes ago, 716er said: How does All I requested is an amendment to be included in the final bill that allows for the Inspector General to oversee how funds are spent. square with Passing this bill brings the total we’ve sent to Ukraine to nearly $54 billion over the course of two months. It’s threatening our own national security, and it’s frankly a slap in the face to millions of taxpayers who are struggling to buy gas, groceries, and find baby formula. ? Giving weapons of war to a country that has had many issues with corruption while not having oversight is a threat to national security. People are pissed off because we keep spending money like drunken sailors while inflation is going wild. People are pissed because the government is bending over backwards to help Ukraine, but are slow as hell to address the formula shortage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I expected this hand waiving to be about him blocking the aid because Ukraine is not our problem, but even the CNN article said it’s very time consuming to make sure someone is accountable for the spending? WTF is wrong with these people? Why isn’t that a hard requirement of any new spending bill???? If it wasn';t that it would just be another excuse. His reasoning is just a fig leaf. Too bad he doesn't have cancer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 But Rand Paul Bad! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: But Rand Paul Bad! As with all things Ukraine the standard 10% for "the big guy"? The rest to the bottom lines of Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Textron, Boeing, etc., with a slice going to Senate campaign coffers. Edited May 13, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 The left is incapable of understanding basic economic principals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said: The left is incapable of understanding basic economic principals. 🤣 17 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: As with all things Ukraine the standard 10% for "the big guy"? The rest to the bottom lines of Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Textron, Boeing, etc., with a slice going to Senate campaign coffers. So happy we have those corporations! They are really excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 🤣 So happy we have those corporations! They are really excellent Developing more efficient and effective ways of killing people. And all for only $800B a year. So yes, very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 These people are not ridiculously hypocritical, even by politician standards. No they aren't at all. Sincerely, The Ministry of Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 This status quo stuff needs to end, we either get fully involved or we get out. The chances of Ukraine winning without intervention is very small and at that point our weapons get turned against us. Sending $40 billion without oversight is the most political answer to what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 Putin and his murderous buddies doing high fives to their buddy Rand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Putin and his murderous buddies doing high fives to their buddy Rand You seem to be salivating at the thought of keeping that war going. Maybe Putin and you ain't so different, with your murderous fantasy's. You seem to be good with paying for weapons that are gonna be killing a whole lot of people. As long as you aren't pulling the trigger though, you're good, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, TSOL said: You seem to be salivating at the thought of keeping that war going. Maybe Putin and you ain't so different, with your murderous fantasy's. You seem to be good with paying for weapons that are gonna be killing a whole lot of people. As long as you aren't pulling the trigger though, you're good, right? Yup, I'm in favor of allowing a nation to defend themselves, guilty as charged. You very much seem to want the Ukrainians murdered. Horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup, I'm in favor of allowing a nation to defend themselves, guilty as charged. You very much seem to want the Ukrainians murdered. Horrible I'm happy you're fine with the current situation where a homicidal maniac and an old guy with a mind a couple cans short of a 6 pack are playing chicken and pointing 1,000s of nuclear warheads at each other while using the people and country of Ukraine as a punching bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup, I'm in favor of allowing a nation to defend themselves, guilty as charged. You very much seem to want the Ukrainians murdered. Horrible I want peace, I want the 40 billion to go towards peace, not destruction. Negotiations, talking, maybe a good lunch to sit down and talk things over with. Not missiles! And bombs, and killer drones Jeez what kind of animal are you to support such a thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, TSOL said: I want peace, I want the 40 billion to go towards peace, not destruction. Negotiations, talking, maybe a good lunch to sit down and talk things over with. Not missiles! And bombs, and killer drones Jeez what kind of animal are you to support such a thing So just let the murderous Putin win. Great idea...if you are an ####### a hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: So just let the murderous Putin win. Great idea...if you are an ####### You can't deny my point, I know you see my reasoning no matter how much you try to deflect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 33 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup, I'm in favor of allowing a nation to defend themselves, guilty as charged. You very much seem to want the Ukrainians murdered. Horrible 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Trump had rapport with Putin, Trump would be in contact and maybe even negotiations with Putin. Biden had not even made any attempt at all to negotiate this situation, Biden administration is perpetuating this war and escalating it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, TSOL said: You can't deny my point, I know you see my reasoning no matter how much you try to deflect Your reasoning is that we just give up and let Putin win. Screw that. 1 minute ago, TSOL said: Trump had rapport with Putin, Trump would be in contact and maybe even negotiations with Putin. Biden had not even made any attempt at all to negotiate this situation, Biden administration is perpetuating this war and escalating it. HA HA HA!! Trump would be sending Putin weapons if he could 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Well, we are sending it. You lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Your reasoning is that we just give up and let Putin win. Screw that. HA HA HA!! Trump would be sending Putin weapons if he could Well, we are sending it. You lose Two things can be true. You can support supplying Ukraine and at the same time want proof exactly where all this coin is going. You don't have to be one or the other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Your reasoning is that we just give up and let Putin win. Screw that. HA HA HA!! Trump would be sending Putin weapons if he could Well, we are sending it. You lose I know it's hard for you to understand how real men operate. Friends close, enemy's closer biotch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, TSOL said: I know it's hard for you to understand how real men operate. Friends close, enemy's closer biotch Real men? Who? You? 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Two things can be true. You can support supplying Ukraine and at the same time want proof exactly where all this coin is going. You don't have to be one or the other. Emergency situation here, send the money, we already know it's being used to kill Ivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Real men? Who? You? Emergency situation here, send the money, we already know it's being used to kill Ivan Russia is already getting their asses handed to them anyways , this bill is just a marketplace for the industrial military complex to unload some of last year's hardware. But sure get your panties all in a wad over not going another 40 bil in debt there Karen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Real men? Who? You? Emergency situation here, send the money, we already know it's being used to kill Ivan So then they should have no problem with the oversight right? If it's all on the up and up(which in wartime it never is) there is no problem. You ever know anyone who served in iraq or afhganistan and talk about the pallets of cash being delivered and wonder what the hell it's all for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 Good, peace through strength, not MAGA imposed weakness Quote Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoygu and his US counterpart Lloyd Austin have spoken for the first time since 18 February - before Russia invaded Ukraine. According to a statement issued by the Pentagon, Austin urged an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine and used the call to emphasise the importance of maintaining lines of communication. On Wednesday, Austin held talks with UK Defence Minister Ben Wallace. In a statement, Wallace said the two leaders pledged "to continue to work with unity and resolve to provide Ukraine with what it needs to defend itself against Russia’s unprovoked invasion". https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61404062 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I expected this hand waiving to be about him blocking the aid because Ukraine is not our problem, but even the CNN article said it’s very time consuming to make sure someone is accountable for the spending? WTF is wrong with these people? Why isn’t that a hard requirement of any new spending bill???? There was a way to have a vote on that specific change without slowing it down, he chose to slow it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: There was a way to have a vote on that specific change without slowing it down, he chose to slow it down. No. Schumer and McConnell were not having "another way" Sen. Paul did what he could to bring the flaws of this bill to the taxpayers attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, B-Man said: No. Schumer and McConnell were not having "another way" Sen. Paul did what he could to bring the flaws of this bill to the taxpayers attention https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/05/13/rand-paul-ukraine-aid-mcconnell-russia/9762529002/ Quote They were willing to let senators vote separately on Paul's proposed amendment, which would have needed 60 votes to pass, rather than add it directly into the aid package before senators vote to approve it. That wasn't good enough for Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 We’re honestly having a debate about whether it makes fiscal sense to borrow $40 BILLION from China to fight a proxy war in Ukraine? Can’t someone just call up China and ask THEM to buy the missiles? It’d save the mark up and interest payments. Unbelievable stupidity! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Rand sure knows how to virtue signal. Or maybe he's raising awareness? I can't decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: We’re honestly having a debate about whether it makes fiscal sense to borrow $40 BILLION from China to fight a proxy war in Ukraine? Can’t someone just call up China and ask THEM to buy the missiles? It’d save the mark up and interest payments. Unbelievable stupidity! Opposing war is unpatriotic. This message brought to you by the defense industry. 2 hours ago, B-Man said: No. Schumer and McConnell were not having "another way" Sen. Paul did what he could to bring the flaws of this bill to the taxpayers attention Schummer and McConnell put on a good show of pretending there's some discourse or difference between the leadership of the two parties but their unwavering duty to any and all wars and massive spending reveals they all answer to the same powers. As I see more and more of these senseless wars over my lifetime I've come around to the conclusion that just because the leaders of my country have a gripe with the leaders of some other country doesn't mean me and people like me in these other countries need to kill each other. I've got no gripe with anybody. I expect they feel the same. How about this. Maybe let the leaders kill each other and leave the rest of us out of it? And save the $40 billion! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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