BREAKING: SCOTUS to overturn Roe?

[BillStime]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Keep digging "bro".  You're making some solid arguments here today. (sarcasm)

 

Yea, bro - you're KILLING it.

 

Why would WE only REGULATE a uterus?

 

What's a woman?

 

A THING FOR YOU TO CONTROL.

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Yea, bro - you're KILLING it.

 

Why would WE only REGULATE a uterus?

 

What's a woman?

 

A THING FOR YOU TO CONTROL.

 

 

 

Fascinating utter lack of logic...as is to be expected.

[BillStime]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Fascinating utter lack of logic...as is to be expected.

 

No, it is not. You're dodging.

 

Why would we ONLY regulate a WOMENs body?

 

Tell us oh mighty one... tell us!

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

No, it is not. You're dodging.

 

Why would we ONLY regulate a WOMENs body?

 

Tell us oh mighty one... tell us!

 

Because NOBODY is talking about a woman's body but you and your friends on the Left.  Can you guess which body we ARE talking about?  See if you can.  Think for a second.  You can do it.  I know you can! 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Because NOBODY is talking about a woman's body but you and your friends on the Left.  Can you guess which body we ARE talking about?  See if you can.  Think for a second.  You can do it.  I know you can! 

 

OH, is that how you compartmentalize it?  Men have ZERO responsibility for that THING inside her BODY? 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

OH, is that how you compartmentalize it?  Men have ZERO responsibility for that THING inside her BODY? 

Now what? You realize that same point can be used as an ANTI-abortion argument. For example, should a woman have complete control over whether a man's baby is destroyed? 

 

Don't hurt yourself with all this high-level moral philosophy stuff.  Your sweet spot is anti-Trump memes. 

 

Bye Bye

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Now what? You realize that same point can be used as an ANTI-abortion argument. For example, should a woman have complete control over whether a man's baby is destroyed? 

 

Don't hurt yourself with all this high-level moral philosophy stuff.  Your sweet spot is anti-Trump memes. 

 

Bye Bye

 

Oh, did it get too HOT in the KITCHEN for you precious?

 

Amazing you couldn't address why it only makes sense to manage a UTERUS and not SPERM.

 

Typical... can never deal with issues at the SOURCE.

 

Run away big guy...

 

[TH3]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

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You know who gets abortions? People you know….people you are close to….you just don’t know about it. How many shotgun weddings have you been to in the last 40 years? You know ….people you know….not many huh? What everyone perfected birth control and pulling out?

 

All these red states…filled with the pious…..you know what’s gonna happen when their daughter…girlfriend…whomever gets unexpectedly pregnant? They are not going show up at high school and carry to term….show up at the adoption agency with a halo…..Nope….they are gonna disappear for a weekend to go visit their cousin/aunt/friend….in a blue state…and they will hope nobody knows….and they will rationalize that they made a mistake and are special

Edited May 4, 2022 by TH3

[L Ron Burgundy]

I bet when Matt Gaetz knocks up one of his underage hookers he'll be changing his abortion stance real quick. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

You know who gets abortions? People you know….people you are close to….you just don’t know about it. How many shotgun weddings have you been to in the last 40 years? You know ….people you know….not many huh? What everyone perfected birth control and pulling out?

 

All these red states…filled with the pious…..you know what’s gonna happen when their daughter…girlfriend…whomever gets unexpectedly pregnant? They are not going show up at high school and carry to term….show up at the adoption agency with a halo…..Nope….they are gonna disappear for a weekend to go visit their cousin/aunt/friend….in a blue state…and they will hope nobody knows….and they will rationalize that they made a mistake and are special

All excellent points.  So go ahead and make that argument at the State House wherever you live. 

[B-Man]

 

INFORMATION:

 

 

https://ahca.myflorida.com/MCHQ/Central_Services/Training_Support/archives/docs/ITOP_GestationReason/ReasonGestation_2015.pdf

[Big Blitz]

Easy for her

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Easy for her

 

 

She’s so desperate to have an abortion that she’s going to refrain from having sex for the right to have one? 😂😂😂

[B-Man]

They're your new rules. . . . . . . . . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't forget:

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Good Riddance to Roe v. Wade and Its Culture of Coercion
By Laura Hollis

 

As pretty much everyone knows by now unless they're living on a deserted island with no Wi-Fi, someone within the U.S. Supreme Court breached professional protocol and leaked a copy of a draft opinion. The draft, written by Justice Samuel Alito, purports to show a 5-4 majority of the Court ready to overrule the 1973 case of Roe v. Wade and declare that there is no federal constitutional right to an abortion.

 

Clearly, the leaker is looking to foment outrage and create public pressure on one or more of the five justices to change their votes. Right on cue -- and with pre-printed signs -- the rage mobs are gathering in front of the Supreme Court and elsewhere around the country. One such protest in California turned violent, and across the social mediaverse, there are calls for "revolution." Americans are bracing for riots like those we saw in the summer of 2020 after George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis.

 

This is despicable and hypocritical (remember all the posturing about "saving our democracy" and "respect for our institutions"?), but typical. Also typical is the manipulation of data to control the media narrative. One such tidbit is the constant refrain that "70% of Americans do not want Roe overturned." That part is true. But conveniently left out is the rest of the poll, showing that 65% of Americans also think abortion should be illegal in most or all cases in the second trimester, and that fully 80% think abortion should be illegal in the third trimester.

 

The abortion industry as it exists under Roe is grossly out of touch with Americans' views.

 

There are many reasons why Roe needs to go, not least saving the lives of unborn children. But overturning Roe should also remediate the coercion that has crept into our lives since abortion was declared to be a constitutional right.

 

By definition, "rights" create corresponding obligations, some mandatory and some prohibitory. If I have a "right" to walk down the street, then you have an obligation to let me do so. If I have a "right" to clean water, then you have an obligation not to pollute it.

 

Few rights are absolute, however. The American legal system tends to balance rights, especially when they potentially conflict.

 

The abortion lobby refuses to accept these limits.

 

https://townhall.com/columnists/laurahollis/2022/05/05/good-riddance-to-roe-v-wade-and-its-culture-of-coercion-n2606789

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 Use birth control . If that fails ..

 

2 Take a plan B 

 

problem solved in 99% of cases.  
 
Letting States ( the people) decide is not a huge deal folks. 

[TH3]

20 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

All excellent points.  So go ahead and make that argument at the State House wherever you live. 

So SCOTUS ….we’ll the GOP stuffed SCOTUS…says that the Feds have no say…either way….why not 

“return the decision” to the state house… let the locals decide. Why not do one better and just let the woman herself decide? I mean that’s Alito’s reasoning …..correct?

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

1 Use birth control . If that fails ..

 

2 Take a plan B 

 

problem solved in 99% of cases.  
 
Letting States ( the people) decide is not a huge deal folks. 

Plan B is going to be illegal in those red states Einstein …You literally just made the liberals point.

Edited May 5, 2022 by TH3

[B-Man]

53 minutes ago, TH3 said:

 

Plan B is going to be illegal in those red states Einstein …You literally just made the liberals point.

 

 

So,

 

the liberal's point is, it has to be available in all 50 states or it's not fair.

 

😂

[LeviF]

I'm not sure it's been impressed how serious the leaking of a SCOTUS draft opinion is. It's one of the worst possible things that can happen in our government, and that statement would only be slightly mitigated if it turned out to be the work of a hacker rather than a source inside the Court itself. 

[Tiberius]

16 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

So,

 

the liberal's point is, it has to be available in all 50 states or it's not fair.

 

😂

Choice of the individual? Why do you think the states are more important than the person? 

[All_Pro_Bills]

On 5/4/2022 at 7:53 PM, SoCal Deek said:

All excellent points.  So go ahead and make that argument at the State House wherever you live. 

And that is why I don't understand all the fuss.  If SCOTUS either overrules or modifies Roe v. Wade then Congress and State legislatures have the power and ability to pass legislation that can be signed by the President or Governors.  And if anybody's got a gripe against a specific State then there's your lesson in democracy in action that lots of posters are pontificating about.  

 

Plus all the moral and ethical posturing with various scenarios is just avoiding stating what I think is obvious.  And that is..

 

If somebody is advocating for abortion without any limitations or conditions then what they're really saying is they totally support the women's unconditional right to decide and they place no value on the life or potential life of the child.  That's really it.

 

And conversely, if they advocating "right to life" and no abortion without exception or condition they value the life of the child and prioritize this life above all personal, medical, or otherwise concerns or desires of the woman.  That's really it. 

 

I expect, somewhere in the middle is the answer and the position of most women, and dare I suggest men too.

[BillStime]

13 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

If somebody is advocating for abortion without any limitations or conditions then what they're really saying is they totally support the women's unconditional right to decide and they place no value on the life or potential life of the child.  That's really it.

 

Now do guns.

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Now do guns.

 

 

Let's do one thing at a time here stay on topic.  Am I right or am I wrong?

[LeviF]

24 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Let's do one thing at a time here stay on topic.  Am I right or am I wrong?

 

"Now do guns."

 

No you. The right to own firearms is enshrined explicitly in our Constitution. If you want the same for abortion get the ball rolling on an amendment.

The two issues have literally no legal commonality.

[BillStime]

15 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Let's do one thing at a time here stay on topic.  Am I right or am I wrong?

The religious right and the cult want you to believe this but VERY few people are advocating for late term abortions unless there are severe fetal abnormalities or the health of the mother is at risk.

 

Keep fringing! 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

HYPOCRISY 

 

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

"Now do guns."

 

No you. The right to own firearms is enshrined explicitly in our Constitution. If you want the same for abortion get the ball rolling on an amendment.

The two issues have literally no legal commonality.

I couldn’t find AR-15 in the Constitution… could you?

 

I couldn’t even find the word Stop Sign in the Constitution but I’m sure you abide by them - aniright?

[Tiberius]

 

Quote

 

Republicans in the Louisiana House advanced a bill Wednesday that would classify abortion as homicide and allow prosecutors to criminally charge patients, with supporters citing a draft opinion leaked this week showing the Supreme Court ready to overturn Roe v. Wade.

The legislation, which passed through a committee on a 7-to-2 vote, goes one step further than other antiabortion bans that have gained momentum in recent years, which focus on punishing abortion providers and others who help facilitate the procedure. Experts say the bill could also restrict in vitro fertilization and emergency contraception because it would grant constitutional rights to a person “from the moment of fertilization.”

 

Will the fetus testify at trial? 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/louisiana-republicans-advance-bill-that-would-charge-abortion-as-homicide/ar-AAWX97G

[LeviF]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

Will the fetus testify at trial? 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/louisiana-republicans-advance-bill-that-would-charge-abortion-as-homicide/ar-AAWX97G

 

In your experience, do homicide victims typically testify at trial?

 

20 minutes ago, BillStime said:

I couldn’t find AR-15 in the Constitution… could you?

 

I couldn’t even find the word Stop Sign in the Constitution but I’m sure you abide by them - aniright?

 

Yes, I could.

 

And yes, I do. Because my state has passed a law mandating that I stop at them, as is their right under the 10th Amendment since, as you say, stop signs aren't in the Constitution.

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, LeviF said:

 

In your experience, do homicide victims typically testify at trial?

 

 

Yes, I could.

 

And yes, I do. Because my state has passed a law mandating that I stop at them, as is their right under the 10th Amendment since, as you say, stop signs aren't in the Constitution.

 

Can you point out explicitly where it says AR-15?

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Pro-Life Women Are Here - in Numbers Too Big to Ignore

 

 

Her remarks stood out to me and got me to thinking about the way this debate is almost always framed. It’s women versus men/the patriarchy. Or women, the oppressed minority, standing up and fighting/roaring back. I’ve lost track of the number of “Hear me roar!”-type posts I saw from women in the pro-choice/pro-abortion camp after this decision.

 

The premise outright ignores the millions of women who are pro-life, who welcome the overturning of Roe and Casey, and who support legislation restricting — if not outright banning — abortion in their states. I did a quick look-see on the stats.

 

 

 

 

That’s a lot of women. But somehow, their voices, their support for life, are utterly discounted in this conversation. It’s as if they — we — don’t exist. But we do. In every state. In some states, we’re in the minority, and that means even if our voices are heard/acknowledged, they’re not enough to get laws restricting abortion enacted. Just as in some states, we’re in the majority, and those women who oppose such legislation won’t get their way. That’s representative democracy in action — and in either case, women have a voice — a vibrant, healthy voice — in it. 

 

https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2022/05/06/roar-this-pro-life-women-are-here-in-numbers-too-big-to-ignore-n560375

[LeviF]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

Can you point out explicitly where it says AR-15?

 

 

 

Ah, see, now we're playing the motte and bailey again. Nice try, but this is not what I said.

[BillStime]

Just now, LeviF said:

 

Ah, see, now we're playing the motte and bailey again. Nice try, but this is not what I said.

 

But ya did:

 

4 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Yes, I could.

 

 

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

But ya did:

 

 

 

 

Hm, but see, I responded to a different question. You don't get to change the question and maintain that I have the same answer, or even that the new answer would be relevant to the initial question.

[BillStime]

On 5/6/2022 at 11:07 AM, LeviF said:

 

Hm, but see, I responded to a different question. You don't get to change the question and maintain that I have the same answer, or even that the new answer would be relevant to the initial question.

 

BILLSTIME:  I couldn’t find AR-15 in the Constitution… could you?

 

LEVIF: Yes, I could.

 

Edited May 26, 2022 by BillStime

[LeviF]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

BILLSTIME:  I couldn’t find AR-15 in the Constitution… could you?

 

LEVIF: Yes, I could.

 

foh

 

 

And I can.  And again, that's a different question than asking for the location of an "explicit" quotation, isn't it?

 

Now is you done or is you finished?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

On 5/4/2022 at 11:32 AM, Tiberius said:

Murdered? LOL, She was assaulting the capital 

Assaulting…the capital?  Beyond the  obvious “Huh??”…
 

It seems extreme, the death part, if that’s really your take.  
 

On the other hand, some kids were vandalizing the local Friendly’s not long ago and shooting them would probably be an effective deterrent. 

 

 

[BillStime]

Just now, LeviF said:

 

And I can.  And again, that's a different question than asking for the location of an "explicit" quotation, isn't it?

 

Now is you done or is you finished?

 

So, where in the Constitution is the word AR-15?

 

Your argument is that abortion is not in the Constitution yet neither is AR-15.

 

Keep spinning... this is fun.

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

10 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Pro-Life Women Are Here - in Numbers Too Big to Ignore

 

 

Her remarks stood out to me and got me to thinking about the way this debate is almost always framed. It’s women versus men/the patriarchy. Or women, the oppressed minority, standing up and fighting/roaring back. I’ve lost track of the number of “Hear me roar!”-type posts I saw from women in the pro-choice/pro-abortion camp after this decision.

 

The premise outright ignores the millions of women who are pro-life, who welcome the overturning of Roe and Casey, and who support legislation restricting — if not outright banning — abortion in their states. I did a quick look-see on the stats.

 

 

 

 

That’s a lot of women. But somehow, their voices, their support for life, are utterly discounted in this conversation. It’s as if they — we — don’t exist. But we do. In every state. In some states, we’re in the minority, and that means even if our voices are heard/acknowledged, they’re not enough to get laws restricting abortion enacted. Just as in some states, we’re in the majority, and those women who oppose such legislation won’t get their way. That’s representative democracy in action — and in either case, women have a voice — a vibrant, healthy voice — in it. 

 

https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2022/05/06/roar-this-pro-life-women-are-here-in-numbers-too-big-to-ignore-n560375

@Tiberius has declared that he will speak for all

women, especially those confused on what they think. 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Assaulting…the capital?  Beyond the  obvious “Huh??”…
 

It seems extreme, the death part, if that’s really your take.  
 

On the other hand, some kids were vandalizing the local Friendly’s not long ago and shooting them would probably be an effective deterrent. 

 

 

 

Well, Conald wanted to shoot AMERICAN protestors outside the White House... so, I wouldn't put it past the Cult.