New "ironclad" Stadium deal reached

[BillsfaninSB]

4 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

There were already secure when the oilman bought it. At least that is what he promised. We didn't need to pay for a new stadium for him

 

 

Does everyone realize NYS is not building the Bills a stadium and just handing it over to Terry for free?  The Bills will pay rent and NYS will recoup.

 

NYS/Erie is similar to a commercial developer.   The developer gets the project entitled, designed and built.  The future tenant(s)  will pay rent under a lease agreement.  Developer makes a profit.  Sometimes massive.  Tenant will hopefully make a profit as well. 
 

Not sure how there is this perception that the Pegulas are getting a free stadium. 
 

I would rather see tax dollars go to a tangible asset like a stadium that will eventually pay for itself versus all the other garbage a municipality wastes money on on a regular basis. 
 

Edited April 5, 2023 by BillsfaninSB

[mrags]

11 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

First I will ask is how many of you have gone to any other stadiums in any of the big 4 leagues in the US? If you look around at a lot of the newer stadiums they all have major amenities. Examples are bars/restaurants and in a few stadiums I have visited they had an area for families to enjoy.  I get it that most of you on this board are hardcores and are there for the game. The thing is a lot of the casual fans want those things. For them the stadium and what's in it is the draw. The game no longer is much of one as most can watch it at home for free. 

I agree with some of this 100%. We’re at a point of watching the game can and is watched at home for much much cheaper and with the advancements in TV and broadcasting, you aren’t losing quality. Personally I get much more out of a game watching it on tv. Easier to follow. 
 

but at the stadium you don’t get the experience. The excitement. But with the cost of tickets nowadays, I feel that you really need to get every single possibility out of making the experience for as many as possible. 
 

Where I’ve always said, the days of chugging beers in the parking lots and flying through flaming tables is going to be over. Because of the cost involved you aren’t going to get young kids getting smashed before games anymore. You are going to get businesses, corporate dollars, and family getaways to away games and home games alike. 

[eball]

15 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

First I will ask is how many of you have gone to any other stadiums in any of the big 4 leagues in the US? If you look around at a lot of the newer stadiums they all have major amenities. Examples are bars/restaurants and in a few stadiums I have visited they had an area for families to enjoy.  I get it that most of you on this board are hardcores and are there for the game. The thing is a lot of the casual fans want those things. For them the stadium and what's in it is the draw. The game no longer is much of one as most can watch it at home for free. 

 

I'll beg to differ.  The time is loooooooong past for "if they had built it downtown" takes.  Move on, folks.

 

[Punching Bag]

On 3/29/2023 at 1:05 PM, Einstein said:

 

I think I remember reading that UB doesn't want to drive a half hour to play their "home" games.

When I went to school there they had no issue with students needing to go other campus needing to be on bus for almost a half hour so IMO it would fit right in.

3 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

 

I would rather see tax dollars go to a tangible asset like a stadium that will eventually pay for itself versus all the other garbage a municipality wastes money on on a regular basis. 
 

 

No stadium pays for itself.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Limeaid
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[mrags]

3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Again you’re hammering away at this bar/restaurants and family zone gripe. We’re over 3 years away from the thing opening. They haven’t stuck one shovel in the ground yet. And yet you keep insisting and assuming this place won’t have these things. Nothing like that has been announced yet. Can you not wait and see? 
 

Yes I’ve been to other NFL/MLB/NHL/NBA venues all over the place.

I think the thought is similar to what @SoCal Deekjust mentioned. It’s pointless to even try and incorporate those things in a stadium in OP. It will have no impact other than 10-12 times a year. New bars and restaurants are all the sudden going to be popping up in OP because of the stadium. Vs the stadium being built in an area where a stadium doesn’t currently exist. 
 

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I highly doubt that ‘other various amenities’ will ever be a draw in remote Orchard Park. I’ve said from the very beginning, if the stadium remains in OP then the design should include the very best tailgating support that the project can provide. Now THAT would make this stadium unique! 

This is likely the best possibility at this point. I just think that with the price point of the PSLs and Likely doubling or more of season tix sales, I think a big portion of what makes things special at the Ralph will be gone. Not going to completely get rid of it. But I think it will be phased out dramatically. 
 

fyi, just spoke with my seas tix rep 2 days ago. He said there’s currently a 7k person waiting list for season tix. Between that and the 10k less seats the new stadium will hold, there’s going to be a lot of pricing out. JMO. 

5 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I'll beg to differ.  The time is loooooooong past for "if they had built it downtown" takes.  Move on, folks.

 

Not wrong. But again, it’s a message board for people to express their opinions about it. 

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

I think the thought is similar to what @SoCal Deekjust mentioned. It’s pointless to even try and incorporate those things in a stadium in OP. It will have no impact other than 10-12 times a year. New bars and restaurants are all the sudden going to be popping up in OP because of the stadium. Vs the stadium being built in an area where a stadium doesn’t currently exist. 
 

This is likely the best possibility at this point. I just think that with the price point of the PSLs and Likely doubling or more of season tix sales, I think a big portion of what makes things special at the Ralph will be gone. Not going to completely get rid of it. But I think it will be phased out dramatically. 
 

fyi, just spoke with my seas tix rep 2 days ago. He said there’s currently a 7k person waiting list for season tix. Between that and the 10k less seats the new stadium will hold, there’s going to be a lot of pricing out. JMO. 

I am not talking about secondary development in the vicinity around the stadium. I’m talking about on-site amenities like the ones he’s complaining about. Things that don’t have to be open year round to survive. Family zone-type areas? A staffed bar or restaurant? I see no reason why they could not incorporate these things into the place. And I have not read that these things have been ruled out. 

No, I don’t think the new stadium is going to catalyze all sorts of new commercial development around it in Orchard Park. Nor do I care in the slightest. I go to watch the game. I tailgate, I bring my food. 

[Gregg]

14 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

First I will ask is how many of you have gone to any other stadiums in any of the big 4 leagues in the US? If you look around at a lot of the newer stadiums they all have major amenities. Examples are bars/restaurants and in a few stadiums I have visited they had an area for families to enjoy.  I get it that most of you on this board are hardcores and are there for the game. The thing is a lot of the casual fans want those things. For them the stadium and what's in it is the draw. The game no longer is much of one as most can watch it at home for free. 

 

I live in NJ, and I will say the best things about MetLife are as follows:

 

Wider concourses to walk around in compared to Giants Stadium.

 

 

Many more bathrooms and there are more urinals/toilets in the bathrooms than at Giants Stadium. You can get in and out of the bathrooms very quickly including at halftime when everyone goes to them.

 

 

4 Giant screens inside the stadium that covers the red zone channel. So, coverage of all the out-of-town games is great. Jets fans obviously pay more attention to the Bills, Dolphins, and Pats games.

 

 

As for the restaurants/bars/stores. I don't think to many people use them considering how many people are in the stadium. You can buy piss water oops I mean Bud Light, Coors Light for the very "reasonable" price of $22 a bottle. Jets/Giants crowds are like Bills crowds. It a tailgating atmosphere. Most aren't going to pay the prices they are charging for food, drinks, and merchandise in the team store.

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

I am not talking about secondary development in the vicinity around the stadium. I’m talking about on-site amenities like the ones he’s complaining about. Things that don’t have to be open year round to survive. Family zone-type areas? A staffed bar or restaurant? I see no reason why they could not incorporate these things into the place. And I have not read that these things have been ruled out. 

No, I don’t think the new stadium is going to catalyze all sorts of new commercial development around it in Orchard Park. Nor do I care in the slightest. I go to watch the game. I tailgate, I bring my food. 

I think there’s likely a perfect middle ground for that. Doesn’t need to have areas or restaurants/bars all over the place. But something available. Currently in the stadium now the only real option for something like that is in the clubs. Other than that a few vending possibilities really don’t count imo. I guess it would be nice to see a bar or rest attached just for some people to be able to go ahead of game time that don’t have a desire to tailgate.  And actually it would benefit the Bills as far as from a monetary standpoint as people would be spending money on their overpriced drinks and food instead of making and bringing their own at a tailgate. I’m not saying to would greatly affect tailgate options. But it would benefit the Bills. 
 

I would add that I doubt it would happen though. Of course it’s possible it could. I just feel like it would have been noted at some point by now by someone. Hell, someone found it in the contract about “transportation hub” which we have no idea what that could mean. I would think a comment about a bar or restaurant being available would have been documented and probably talked about by the Bills org leading up to this. My money would be on the doubt that it’ll happen. 
 

but like @SoCal Deek mentioned. Just let it play out and maybe we’ll all be pleasantly surprised. 

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

I am not talking about secondary development in the vicinity around the stadium. I’m talking about on-site amenities like the ones he’s complaining about. Things that don’t have to be open year round to survive. Family zone-type areas? A staffed bar or restaurant? I see no reason why they could not incorporate these things into the place. And I have not read that these things have been ruled out. 

No, I don’t think the new stadium is going to catalyze all sorts of new commercial development around it in Orchard Park. Nor do I care in the slightest. I go to watch the game. I tailgate, I bring my food. 

Exactly! So why not create the best tailgating experience in the nation with plenty of restrooms, electrical hookups, solar carports, performance stages, and parking lot based beverage/concession stands. This is WNY, not Southern California. If fans are going to cough up extra cash for the seats themselves, why not make the before game experience truly extraordinary at a price that your regular Bills fans can afford?

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

I think there’s likely a perfect middle ground for that. Doesn’t need to have areas or restaurants/bars all over the place. But something available. Currently in the stadium now the only real option for something like that is in the clubs. Other than that a few vending possibilities really don’t count imo. I guess it would be nice to see a bar or rest attached just for some people to be able to go ahead of game time that don’t have a desire to tailgate.  And actually it would benefit the Bills as far as from a monetary standpoint as people would be spending money on their overpriced drinks and food instead of making and bringing their own at a tailgate. I’m not saying to would greatly affect tailgate options. But it would benefit the Bills. 
 

I would add that I doubt it would happen though. Of course it’s possible it could. I just feel like it would have been noted at some point by now by someone. Hell, someone found it in the contract about “transportation hub” which we have no idea what that could mean. I would think a comment about a bar or restaurant being available would have been documented and probably talked about by the Bills org leading up to this. My money would be on the doubt that it’ll happen. 
 

but like @SoCal Deek mentioned. Just let it play out and maybe we’ll all be pleasantly surprised. 

The transpo hub was part of the agreement between the team and county. That deal’s done. Any on-site eatery/bar/restaurant would (most likely) be a partnership between the team and private vendors. Those deals are not done. So apples and oranges there.

[mrags]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Exactly! So why not create the best tailgating experience in the nation with plenty of restrooms, electrical hookups, solar carports, performance stages, and parking lot based beverage/concession stands. This is WNY, not Southern California. If fans are going to cough up extra cash for the seats themselves, why not make the before game experience truly extraordinary at a price that your regular Bills fans can afford?

Think that’s a great idea. I’m just worried that none of that will change as far as outside the stadium options. 
 

personally I think they should remove the 300s and 200s from the current stadium now after all is said and done. Create an awning type roof over the field and create an indoor/outdoor zone right on the field of the old stadium. Blast some heat in there in the winter for a place for people to stay warm. Have multiple vendors inside maybe a few bar areas. 
 

In Baltimore where the tailgating is extremely limited they have multiple large tented areas that are like the “official colors light zone” where you could throw in TVs to watch other games, create bar spaces. And people would gladly spend money for that experience. Not everyone wants to jump through flaming tables in the parking lots. Some of us are adults now. 

3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

The transpo hub was part of the agreement between the team and county. That deal’s done. Any on-site eatery/bar/restaurant would (most likely) be a partnership between the team and private vendors. Those deals are not done. So apples and oranges there.

I guess we will see. I just think it would have been commented by someone already at this point if they thought that was something they would do. 

[NC-billsfan!]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Exactly! So why not create the best tailgating experience in the nation with plenty of restrooms, electrical hookups, solar carports, performance stages, and parking lot based beverage/concession stands. This is WNY, not Southern California. If fans are going to cough up extra cash for the seats themselves, why not make the before game experience truly extraordinary at a price that your regular Bills fans can afford?

I’m all for improving the tailgate experience. I think there is a problem with your proposal. Liability.  Not positive, but if they acknowledge it, participate in it, they then become liable. Any lawyers here that might expand on this thought?

[SoCal Deek]

9 minutes ago, NC-billsfan! said:

I’m all for improving the tailgate experience. I think there is a problem with your proposal. Liability.  Not positive, but if they acknowledge it, participate in it, they then become liable. Any lawyers here that might expand on this thought?

Every stadium everywhere has tailgating. Think of it more like a big public park. Providing bathrooms and electricity doesn’t increase the state’s or team’s liability. It may actually decrease it. But how great would it be to go out there and have a bunch of local bands performing on well designed stages throughout the grounds? The bands get exposure and gain a following and the cost to the Team would be virtually nothing. At Cowboy stadium they have a main stage in a plaza just outside the large glass end of the stadium. It’s a blast! 

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Every stadium everywhere has tailgating. Think of it more like a big public park. Providing bathrooms and electricity doesn’t increase the state’s or team’s liability. It may actually decrease it. But how great would it be to go out there and have a bunch of local bands performing on well designed stages throughout the grounds? The bands get exposure and gain a following and the cost to the Team would be virtually nothing. At Cowboy stadium they have a main stage in a plaza just outside the large glass end of the stadium. It’s a blast! 

100% agree. On Populous’ site page for the stadium, they speak of this “Family circle” open area (the area with the large bison sculpture.) I’m assuming they have plans to utilize that space.

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Every stadium everywhere has tailgating. Think of it more like a big public park. Providing bathrooms and electricity doesn’t increase the state’s or team’s liability. It may actually decrease it. But how great would it be to go out there and have a bunch of local bands performing on well designed stages throughout the grounds? The bands get exposure and gain a following and the cost to the Team would be virtually nothing. At Cowboy stadium they have a main stage in a plaza just outside the large glass end of the stadium. It’s a blast! 

Was thinking something like this as well. Maybe not like something I’d expect out of Nashville. But something. Again, the liability wouldn’t be anymore than why it is already by offering booze in the stadium. 

 

[SoCal Deek]

14 minutes ago, mrags said:

Was thinking something like this as well. Maybe not like something I’d expect out of Nashville. But something. Again, the liability wouldn’t be anymore than why it is already by offering booze in the stadium. 

 

And then include super large format TV screens at even more sub-stages so people can hang around afterwards and watch the late games while the parking lots are clearing out. (Or the occasional early game from London.)

[mrags]

13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

And then include super large format TV screens at even more sub-stages so people can hang around afterwards and watch the late games while the parking lots are clearing out. (Or the occasional early game from London.)

All things I’d like to see. And hope to see. I just fear we won’t. I really feel like it’s going to be more of the same 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

All things I’d like to see. And hope to see. I just fear we won’t. I really feel like it’s going to be more of the same 

Think of it more like a Disneyland devoted to football. An all day experience in which the game is more like the headline event on the main stage. Before Disney created the ‘theme’ park all anyone knew was a bunch of carnival rides set in asphalt. But, what if you could create a similar themed experience centered on the Buffalo Bills and the NFL? Fans would come from everywhere just to be part of it. Super cool! 

[mrags]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Think of it more like a Disneyland devoted to football. An all day experience in which the game is more like the headline event on the main stage. Before Disney created the ‘theme’ park all anyone knew was a bunch of carnival rides set in asphalt. But, what if you could create a similar themed experience centered on the Buffalo Bills and the NFL? Fans would come from everywhere just to be part of it. Super cool! 

I agree and it’s what is needed going forward imo. Like it was brought up in the thread before it can’t just be the game and tailgating. It’s got to be a whole day of experience. Drunks 20 somethings aren’t bringing anything to the table as far as what the Bills, the NFL, or the town/city/state is looking for.
They want families spending weeks worth of savings to come to town on a road trip to games. Spending money on organization parking, drinks, food, and memorabilia to go with everyone in the family on their way out.
Showing up a few hours before game time, chugging beers in the lot, puking in your bleacher end zone seat, and getting into an accident on the way home isn’t doing anything for the Bills, the NFL, or the town. 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

I agree and it’s what is needed going forward imo. Like it was brought up in the thread before it can’t just be the game and tailgating. It’s got to be a whole day of experience. Drunks 20 somethings aren’t bringing anything to the table as far as what the Bills, the NFL, or the town/city/state is looking for.
They want families spending weeks worth of savings to come to town on a road trip to games. Spending money on organization parking, drinks, food, and memorabilia to go with everyone in the family on their way out.
Showing up a few hours before game time, chugging beers in the lot, puking in your bleacher end zone seat, and getting into an accident on the way home isn’t doing anything for the Bills, the NFL, or the town. 

First , Any family that comes to Buffalo to see a Bills game has plenty of options

 

There are tons of restaurants and nightlife and nicer things downtown… Sheas district is beautiful…. There are tons of really nice mom and pop restaurants

 

People are parking in the RV lot a week before the game

 

There’s not a better city the day of a game than buffalo … And I’ve been to 13 stadiums

[Augie]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

I'll beg to differ.  The time is loooooooong past for "if they had built it downtown" takes.  Move on, folks.

 

 

I have always said as long as the Bills remain in WNY I’ll be content. I’m good. Having said that, my first preference was a downtown stadium strictly for selfish reasons. I fly into town for games, usually by myself. Taking one person in a rental car or finding a ride to the stadium is less than ideal. To be able to walk from the downtown hotel to the stadium, as I’ve done in other cities, is awesome! I’m sure I’m not alone in that feeling. 

 

BUT, that will NOT be the case so I’m not wasting any mental energy on the topic. If anybody is obsessed with not getting exactly what they wanted, I suggest they look up the Serenity Prayer. It ain’t happening, so let it go. 

[mrags]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

First , Any family that comes to Buffalo to see a Bills game has plenty of options

 

There are tons of restaurants and nightlife and nicer things downtown… Sheas district is beautiful…. There are tons of really nice mom and pop restaurants

 

People are parking in the RV lot a week before the game

 

There’s not a better city the day of a game than buffalo … And I’ve been to 13 stadiums

That’s my point. There aren’t any options really on game day. Leading up to the game. Or after the game. Unless you want to tailgate. Which is fine. But it’s not for everyone. And for the price of tickets, I just feel like people want more. 
 

the RV lot a few days before the game is one thing but let’s be real. A few hundred people aren’t moving the needle. If they were, places like Big Tree, Danny’s, and Prohibition would be doing much better than they are. 
 

I’ve been to a lot of stadiums as well. And I’m not going to debate the downtown thing any further. Of course there would be much more to do there. But I’ve been to some cities/stadiums that are much more fun than going to a tailgate in some muddy lot in OP 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, mrags said:

That’s my point. There aren’t any options really on game day. Leading up to the game. Or after the game. Unless you want to tailgate. Which is fine. But it’s not for everyone. And for the price of tickets, I just feel like people want more. 
 

the RV lot a few days before the game is one thing but let’s be real. A few hundred people aren’t moving the needle. If they were, places like Big Tree, Danny’s, and Prohibition would be doing much better than they are. 
 

I’ve been to a lot of stadiums as well. And I’m not going to debate the downtown thing any further. Of course there would be much more to do there. But I’ve been to some cities/stadiums that are much more fun than going to a tailgate in some muddy lot in OP 

What people don’t understand is that Orchard Park is rural

 

That’s why it was the perfect choice For a football stadium

 

Because that’s all that was getting built

 

They don’t want to turn Orchard Park into Cheektowaga… The residents of Orchard Park want to keep it a town of 3000 people… That’s why they moved to Orchard Park

 

Which makes it perfect for an escape… It’s the perfect place for a stadium that could turn into a city once a week… Eight times a year

 

That’s literally golden

Edited April 5, 2023 by Buffalo716

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

What people don’t understand is that Orchard Park is rural

 

That’s why it was the perfect choice For a football stadium

 

Because that’s all that was getting built

 

They don’t want to turn Orchard Park into Cheektowaga… The residents of Orchard Park want to keep it a town of 5000 people

 

Which makes it perfect for an escape… It’s the perfect place for a stadium that could turn into a city once a week… Eight times a year

 

That’s literally golden

Not to everyone. Again. That’s perfectly fine now. But in the future as tech becomes better. As your home TV is as clear as being there in person. And at the cost of not spending 600+ on pair of tickets. You need to find ways to keep people coming to the stadium. Just the game isn’t going to cut it anymore. It works now because you can get tickets for less than $100 a game. But in the future it’s not going to be the case. The plan can’t just be to build and new stadium and charge 2-3x as much and expect people to sell it out. We have a hard enough time selling out games now when the weather gets crumby. And we currently have a 7k person wait list for season tix. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

I agree and it’s what is needed going forward imo. Like it was brought up in the thread before it can’t just be the game and tailgating. It’s got to be a whole day of experience. Drunks 20 somethings aren’t bringing anything to the table as far as what the Bills, the NFL, or the town/city/state is looking for.
They want families spending weeks worth of savings to come to town on a road trip to games. Spending money on organization parking, drinks, food, and memorabilia to go with everyone in the family on their way out.
Showing up a few hours before game time, chugging beers in the lot, puking in your bleacher end zone seat, and getting into an accident on the way home isn’t doing anything for the Bills, the NFL, or the town. 

I’m not sure if I follow your logic here. Won’t the new stadium ticket prices and associated costs tend to weed out the twenty something crowd? So assuming that it does, I’m advocating for a football centric experience for those that will actually still be attending. Now mind you, I don’t see this as a fur coat and pearl necklace crowd, but more of a WNY sports crowd. It would be a ton of fun, building on the existing traditions, and be completely unique to the NFL. But… it wouldn’t be upscale restaurants and stores that’d be closed the other 355 days of the year. 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by SoCal Deek

[Huh? What?]

I like the possible transit options.... Aging myself... my Dad and I took the bus to War Memorial for games and would go back to the restaurant on the bus line, to only take the bus to the Sabres' games... Okay, it was only one trip only for each game in '72 and it was a communion present, but my parents did it all the time as they had seasons for both teams through the restaurant.... But back then tailgating wasn't a big thing. I think those who may take the transit option are not going to be tailgaters....  they may be older, who probably will occupy mid price seats... My Bills experience through 50+ years of fandom is as follows

1... childhood... Dad brings me to a game

2. Bills' tickets in high school... Great game fun to watch

3. College... I know people working the concessions... buy a cup throw the cup back... free beer... Game... what game?... Dad is here? (The Dufek Years)

4. Inherit seasons... bringing a date we meet up others tailgating.... must leave at 8 AM to fully embrace the atmosphere... (snickering that girlfriend couldn't pee like us guys and her lines to pee in the stadium....)

5. Still have tix... but we meet in a bar before the game and leave at 12:15....

6. Same as #5... but we leave at the end of the 3rd quarter to avoid traffic and go to bar...

7. We just go to the bar for the game

8. Why go to bar, it's on TV...

9. clipping coupons... yelling... those damn kids today...

My point is as we get older, we may appreciate letting the others drive us to a game, if we can afford it and Thor will be our next president... (okay I've gone to far...Hah!!!)

Thanks for letting me post... Cheers to all of you...

 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by Huh? What?
new wording

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not sure if I follow your logic here. Won’t the new stadium ticket prices and associated costs tend to weed out the twenty something crowd? So assuming that it does, I’m advocating for a football centric experience for those that will actually still be attending. Now mind you, I don’t see this as a fur coat and pearl necklace crowd, but more of a WNY sports crowd. It would be a ton of fun, building on the existing traditions, and be completely unique to the NFL. But… it wouldn’t be upscale restaurants and stores that’d be closed the other 355 days of the year. 

 

 

Yes I do believe the price increases as well as the wait list will weed out many of the drunken stupidness that currently happens in the lots now. 
 

im just stating what the Bills org, NFL, and town wants out of this. A complete cleanup of the area and what happens on game day. Not all of it will be gone. But I feel like a good amount will. But if your going to do that, you need more things for business patrons, and families will enjoy at the games. 
 

like was said, just tailgating in muddy lots isn’t going to cut it. Like what you said, stages set up with performers, music, etc. 

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

it made sense in the 1970s to have a stadium in Orchard Park

 

in the 2020s/30s people want to visit city centers and enjoy all the nightlife

 

Thats why nobody else is doing this anymore. Imagine the Browns building a stadium in Geneva/Conneaut… or Pittsburgh Steelers in Meadville! ..and taxpayers dropping a BILLION on it… 

 

yeah, no LOL. They built their stadiums right freakin downtown obviously cause they aren’t stupid

 

Really cause the Bears are about to move to Arlington Heights Imao
 

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

No public funding. 

Chicago is a world-class city with billions and billions of dollars of revenue

 

The fact anybody compares any other teams in the league to Buffalo shows how Little they think critically

 

There’s not one fortune 500 company in Buffalo… 

Not one

 

Hence we need public funding

It’s a simple as this Mr. troll… Do you want the bills or no?

 

If you do you should be ecstatic they will be here for your childrens children 

 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Kiva]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Chicago is a world-class city with billions and billions of dollars of revenue

 

The fact anybody compares any other teams in the league to Buffalo shows how Little they think critically

 

There’s not one fortune 500 company in Buffalo… 

Not one

 

Hence we need public funding

It’s a simple as this Mr. troll… Do you want the bills or no?

 

If you do you should be ecstatic they will be here for your childrens children 

 

 

 

Why wasn’t there a vote on public funding? Here in SD, we voted down a public funding measure for the chargers and they bolted. SD is in much better financial shape than Buffalo.     

If Buffalo cannot build an appropriate stadium (dome) in an appropriate location (city) take the public funding off the table until it can be voted on.  As a voter, The billionaire owner should pay 100%

 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by Kiva

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Kiva said:

Why wasn’t there a vote on public funding? Here in SD, we voted down a public funding measure for the chargers and they bolted. SD is in much better financial shape than Buffalo.     

If Buffalo cannot build an appropriate stadium (dome) in an appropriate location (city) take the public funding off the table until it can be voted on.  As a voter, The billionaire owner should pay 100%

 

 

Ralph Wilson did not own Ralph Wilson stadium

 

A precedent was set

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, Kiva said:

Why wasn’t there a vote on public funding? Here in SD, we voted down a public funding measure for the chargers and they bolted. SD is in much better financial shape than Buffalo.     

If Buffalo cannot build an appropriate stadium (dome) in an appropriate location (city) take the public funding off the table until it can be voted on.  As a voter, The billionaire owner should pay 100%

 

 

So your complaint is with the Governor then? 

[Kiva]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Ralph Wilson did not own Ralph Wilson stadium

 

A precedent was set

Precedent has no merit.  Public opinion is what matters.  The answer is obvious, they avoided a vote because they knew it would be a No and decided to force the issue.  We need to start over on this project and be sure this has public backing. If no dome, it would fail.  If not in the city of Buffalo, it would fail.  It’s a giant waste of tax dollars in the wrong part of the state. 

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

So your complaint is with the Governor then? 

Without getting political, she was a fill in at the time, an unelected governor. She has special interests in the area, it doesn’t surprise me she tried to fool the public to get this deal passed. Investigation should be done before any ground is broke.  

[Buffalo Super Fan]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Exactly! So why not create the best tailgating experience in the nation with plenty of restrooms, electrical hookups, solar carports, performance stages, and parking lot based beverage/concession stands. This is WNY, not Southern California. If fans are going to cough up extra cash for the seats themselves, why not make the before game experience truly extraordinary at a price that your regular Bills fans can afford?

But that doesn’t put money into the Buffalo Bills or the other NFL teams pockets. I think tailgating is going to be redefined by the Buffalo Bills to inside the Bills Jerry Jones world stadium gates with the Bills, NFL getting fans money. Also don’t discount the 6% surcharge the Bills have the right to use to there choosing at some point on sales of tickets, food and merchandise it was in the Watson Buffalo News Article. If Bills fans can’t see the way this is going I don’t know really anything more I can say. See I guess my point is why cut corners on the new Bills stadium because the Bills fan is paying going NFL rate either way. The Ralph Wilson Highmark Stadium, parking lots tailgate Buffalo Bills are over after 2025 enjoy the next couple of years. I think some Bills fans thought mistaking so time will tell great Orchard Park location, across the street nothing will change to the Bills tailgating experience is a huge assumption in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Kiva said:

Precedent has no merit.  Public opinion is what matters.  The answer is obvious, they avoided a vote because they knew it would be a No and decided to force the issue.  We need to start over on this project and be sure this has public backing. If no dome, it would fail.  If not in the city of Buffalo, it would fail.  It’s a giant waste of tax dollars in the wrong part of the state. 

Without getting political, she was a fill in at the time, an unelected governor. She has special interests in the area, it doesn’t surprise me she tried to fool the public to get this deal passed. Investigation should be done before any ground is broke.  

That’s your opinion 

 

There are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people in Western New York who are willing to have a slight increase in taxes for the Buffalo Bills

 

I don’t know if you know how taxes work but most of the state money is coming down state from New York City billionaires and millionaires

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Kiva said:

 

Without getting political, she was a fill in at the time, an unelected governor. She has special interests in the area, it doesn’t surprise me she tried to fool the public to get this deal passed. Investigation should be done before any ground is broke.  

I’m not trying to be political. At least not in the traditional Left v Right sense. It’s apparent that the State wanted to invest in this project.  No? 

[Kiva]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That’s your opinion 

 

There are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people in Western New York who are willing to have a slight increase in taxes for the Buffalo Bills

 

I don’t know if you know how taxes work but most of the state money is coming down state from New York City billionaires and millionaires

Not nearly enough money is coming from downstate to sustain. I left wny because taxes and are just way too high and the stagnant economy. I’m in Cali now and with my 1.8 million dollar assessment, I’d be paying  $54k/ year in property taxes, 37k more than I’m paying here. With no representation. 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Kiva said:

Not nearly enough money is coming from downstate to sustain. I left wny because taxes and are just way too high and the stagnant economy. I’m in Cali now and with my 1.8 million dollar assessment, I’d be paying  $54k/ year in property taxes, 37k more than I’m paying here. With no representation. 

Every single person in office in Western New York the people voted for

 

And it’s clear the state wants the bills to stay

 

And how much do you think local western NY taxes are going up?

 

Because I can guarantee you it’s much less than what you’re thinking

Edited April 5, 2023 by Buffalo716

[WyoAZBillfan]

42 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Chicago is a world-class city with billions and billions of dollars of revenue

 

The fact anybody compares any other teams in the league to Buffalo shows how Little they think critically

 

There’s not one fortune 500 company in Buffalo… 

Not one

 

Hence we need public funding

It’s a simple as this Mr. troll… Do you want the bills or no?

 

If you do you should be ecstatic they will be here for your childrens children 

 

 

 

Lost me at Chicago is a world class city….I know there’s more to the statement but..

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Lost me at Chicago is a world class city….I know there’s more to the statement but..

Like every huge city it has problems but it’s 100% a world class city 

 

From arts and entertainment to food and athletics or architecture it’s world class