🇨🇳🇷🇴🇺🇦 Biden's Corruption: $20M+ bribes. All the evidence that isn't evidence.

[aristocrat]

https://x.com/katiescarlet2/status/1690828521214500864?s=46&t=WfwBbfFkRiZZWCMxTdpkOw

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

With this, I'd say you aspire to willful ignorance.

No, I try to find the actual facts. 
 

To believe that this was actually Joe Biden doing it on behalf of his son, you have to ignore that he was doing it on orders from the President, that our allies were all in support and that even the GOP witness said that Shokin was good for Burisma. 

“Archer’s congressional testimony mostly supported this claim. He claimed that he was told by others in Burisma’s D.C. office “that the firing of Shokin was bad for Burisma because he was under control.”

 

So what’s more likely:

 

1. Hunter and Joe Biden tricked the entire western world into supporting firing Shokin so they could make money and then everybody decided to lie about it afterwards because… reasons?; or:

 

2. Occam’s Razor: Biden acted to enact US policy at the behest of the President and our allies. 

 

[BillStime]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, well, except that...

 

Are you having this conversation, AGAIN?

 

Do you want your A$$ handed to you, AGAIN?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

On 8/7/2023 at 9:48 PM, BillStime said:

 

Wow, this weird. The EU wanted the same guy gone, too?

 

EU hails sacking of Ukraine’s prosecutor Viktor Shokin – The Irish Times

 

In what appeared to be his last act before dismissal, Mr Shokin sacked his deputy, Davit Sakvarelidze, who had repeatedly called for his boss to be fired.

 

Now why would Shokin's own deputy call for his boss to be fired?

 

***

 

Whoa, what's this?

 

Stop the appointment of Shokin

 

“The nomination of Shokin is a shock” – shouted the participants of the manifestation in front of the Ukrainian Embassy in Warsaw. Ukrainians, Kazakhs and Warsaw residents gathered in front of the building and protested against the most recent changes in the Prosecutor General’s Office in Ukraine and the nomination of Victor Shokin to head the prosecutor’s office.

 

WAIT A MINUTE "DOC" - BIDEN GOT ALL THESE UKRANIANS TO PROTEST THE NOMINATION OF SHOKIN?

 

***

 

Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden

DOC - OTHERS PUSHED FOR THIS GUY TO BE REMOVED BEFORE BIDEN GOT INVOLVED?

 

***

 

Once again, if ANY OF THIS WAS REMOTELY TRUE - Trump's DOJ would have acted.

 

Long live the psyops you pathetic simps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/7/2023 at 9:53 PM, BillStime said:

 

 

WAIT - THERE IS MORE @Doc - lmao

 

KYIV POST: Demonstrators protest Shokin’s firing of anti-corruption prosecutors

 

They protested against Shokin’s decision to fire subordinates of reformist Deputy Prosecutor General Davit Sakvarelidze working on corruption cases against prosecutors.

 

I'm just shocked that BASEMENT BIDEN coordinated all of this!!!

 

 

 

On 8/7/2023 at 10:07 PM, BillStime said:

 

Now, @Doc - should Trump go after the IMF, too?

 

IMF warning sparks Ukraine pledge on corruption and reform

Lagarde threat to suspend $40bn aid package elicits swift response from Kiev

 

 

***

 

Hey @Doc - did Biden collude with the European Council on Foreign Relations, too?

 

No reforms, no aid for Ukraine

 

***

 

 

 

 

 

 

Never forget:

 

 

No f'n wonder the Trump DOJ did jack ***** about this PSYOP.

 

 

 

@Doc - psyop'n with the best of them...

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

Ahhh, you see Margot, they can't do any of that...

 

 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Ahhh, you see Margot, they can't do any of that...

 

 

 

Now do these two: 

 

 

Or even Rudy Guliani's son who worked at the WH

 

 

C'mon Karen - you can do it precious.

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

Why do all you cons pretend to be someone you're not.  Are you embarrassed to be linked to MAGA's?  I know I would be.

Huh? When did liberals fall in lockstep with the government deep state? 

[TSOL]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Huh? When did liberals fall in lockstep with the government deep state? 

 

 

'16 broke them, they don't know their a$$ea from a hole in the ground anymore. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

No, I try to find the actual facts. 
 

To believe that this was actually Joe Biden doing it on behalf of his son, you have to ignore that he was doing it on orders from the President, that our allies were all in support and that even the GOP witness said that Shokin was good for Burisma. 

“Archer’s congressional testimony mostly supported this claim. He claimed that he was told by others in Burisma’s D.C. office “that the firing of Shokin was bad for Burisma because he was under control.”

 

So what’s more likely:

 

1. Hunter and Joe Biden tricked the entire western world into supporting firing Shokin so they could make money and then everybody decided to lie about it afterwards because… reasons?; or:

 

2. Occam’s Razor: Biden acted to enact US policy at the behest of the President and our allies.

 

1.  Good point.  I'm sure that it would have been harder to trick the entire Western world into supporting firing Shokin than, say, invading a country because they had WMDs, right?

 

2.  Policy?  What policy?  Was Burisma investigated, seeing as how it was more likely after Shokin was fired?  Was anyone prosecuted for corruption after Shokin was fired considering he was hindering it?  Was Shokin prosecuted for corruption after he was fired considering Joke had to extort Ukraine to get him fired for not prosecuting people who still weren't prosecuted after he was fired? 

 

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll willfully ignore all these questions.

Edited August 14, 2023 by Doc

[ChiGoose]

35 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

1.  Good point.  I'm sure that it would have been harder to trick the entire Western world into supporting firing Shokin than, say, invading a country because they had WMDs, right?

 

2.  Policy?  What policy?  Was Burisma investigated, seeing as how it was more likely after Shokin was fired?  Was anyone prosecuted for corruption after Shokin was fired considering he was hindering it?  Was Shokin prosecuted for corruption after he was fired considering Joke had to extort Ukraine to get him fired for not prosecuting people who still weren't prosecuted after he was fired? 

 

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll willfully ignore all these questions.

1. Whataboutism. You’re just ignoring evidence because it’s inconvenient and throwing out strawman arguments because the facts don’t fit your narrative. 
 

2. As a former Soviet Republic, Ukraine had a serious problem with corruption. The policy of the United States and its allies was that aid should be conditioned on combating corruption. Since Shokin was corrupt (per the GOP witness), they wanted him gone before they would render more aid. That being said, they did not (to my knowledge) have a Time Machine that would allow them to know that firing Shokin would solve all corruption in Ukraine. What they knew was that the top prosecutor was not interested in fighting corruption so they wanted him gone. Your argument is equivalent of saying that Doug Marrone wasn’t fired for incompetence because Rex Ryan ended up sucking. 

If your argument requires people being able to see the future or travel through time, it might not be a good argument. Maybe try to look at the facts as they were known at the time that action was being taken. 

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

1. Whataboutism. You’re just ignoring evidence because it’s inconvenient and throwing out strawman arguments because the facts don’t fit your narrative. 
 

2. As a former Soviet Republic, Ukraine had a serious problem with corruption. The policy of the United States and its allies was that aid should be conditioned on combating corruption. Since Shokin was corrupt (per the GOP witness), they wanted him gone before they would render more aid. That being said, they did not (to my knowledge) have a Time Machine that would allow them to know that firing Shokin would solve all corruption in Ukraine. What they knew was that the top prosecutor was not interested in fighting corruption so they wanted him gone. Your argument is equivalent of saying that Doug Marrone wasn’t fired for incompetence because Rex Ryan ended up sucking. 

If your argument requires people being able to see the future or travel through time, it might not be a good argument. Maybe try to look at the facts as they were known at the time that action was being taken. 

 

1.  Call it what you want.  You made a statement that the Western world couldn't possibly have been tricked into doing something.  I provided you with an example where countries were tricked into committing billions of dollars and thousands of lives versus merely firing one man...

 

2.  They didn't need a time machine: they just needed to follow-through with their so-called policy.  They didn't hence it appears for all the world that he was fired for investigating Burisma, where Joke's son sat on the board, for no reason other than to buy influence...like getting a prosecutor fired.

[SoCal Deek]

50 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

1. Whataboutism. You’re just ignoring evidence because it’s inconvenient and throwing out strawman arguments because the facts don’t fit your narrative. 
 

2. As a former Soviet Republic, Ukraine had a serious problem with corruption. The policy of the United States and its allies was that aid should be conditioned on combating corruption. Since Shokin was corrupt (per the GOP witness), they wanted him gone before they would render more aid. That being said, they did not (to my knowledge) have a Time Machine that would allow them to know that firing Shokin would solve all corruption in Ukraine. What they knew was that the top prosecutor was not interested in fighting corruption so they wanted him gone. Your argument is equivalent of saying that Doug Marrone wasn’t fired for incompetence because Rex Ryan ended up sucking. 

If your argument requires people being able to see the future or travel through time, it might not be a good argument. Maybe try to look at the facts as they were known at the time that action was being taken. 

You have to be kidding, right? I mean seriously! You honestly believe that firing some ridiculous attorney in Ukraine is worth ONE BILLION DOLLARS to the United States of America? Honestly? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Huh? When did liberals fall in lockstep with the government deep state? 

When the appropriate price point was reached.  

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

When the appropriate price point was reached.  

Nobody can possibly want universal healthcare this bad! 

[ChiGoose]

45 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You have to be kidding, right? I mean seriously! You honestly believe that firing some ridiculous attorney in Ukraine is worth ONE BILLION DOLLARS to the United States of America? Honestly? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

And what do you believe? That Joe Biden conned Obama and the entire western world and Hunter’s business partner?

 

There’s an entire other thread here with people complaining about corruption in Ukraine and you’re incredulous that the US would condition aid on combating corruption?

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

And what do you believe? That Joe Biden conned Obama and the entire western world and Hunter’s business partner?

 

There’s an entire other thread here with people complaining about corruption in Ukraine and you’re incredulous that the US would condition aid on combating corruption?

Nice try. The US didn’t….Joe Biden did, for some really odd reason. He said so himself. How many knots are you guys going to tie yourselves into to justify this nonsense. Is universal healthcare that important to you? 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

@Doc - psyop'n with the best of them...

 

 

they don't care.  truth is the enemy to these fools.  They're either trolls or in need of lobotomies.

[TSOL]

You guys on the left are too easy to trick. It's like elementary school level.

 

That's why the country is in the mess it's in. Too many stupid gullible people. 

 

 

Free your minds for crissake

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Nice try. The US didn’t….Joe Biden did, for some really odd reason. He said so himself. How many knots are you guys going to tie yourselves into to justify this nonsense. Is universal healthcare that important to you? 

This flies in the face of facts and reality. Biden was the VP. He was acting on the authority of the President. Basically every reputable source rejects your position. Logic rejects your position. I have no idea why you bring up universal healthcare except maybe as a distraction because your position is based on feelings instead of facts. 
 

The whole theory requires not only that Joe Biden is so devious and cunning that he went against US policy but somehow then got Obama and all our allies to pretend that was the plan all along and then, instead of keeping quiet about his corruption, he literally goes on stage and brags about it. It makes absolutely no sense unless you start with the conclusion you want and ignore everything that contradicts it, no matter how overwhelming. 
 

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.  It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.  Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

 

***
 

Republicans asked Archer if he was aware that Shokin was investigating Burisma, and Archer said he had actually heard from associates in Washington, D.C., that “Shokin was under control” from Burisma’s persective and that whoever might replace him would be a bigger threat to the company.  “I was spun a narrative that Shokin was good for Burisma,” Archer said.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

50 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

This flies in the face of facts and reality. Biden was the VP. He was acting on the authority of the President. Basically every reputable source rejects your position. Logic rejects your position. I have no idea why you bring up universal healthcare except maybe as a distraction because your position is based on feelings instead of facts. 
 

The whole theory requires not only that Joe Biden is so devious and cunning that he went against US policy but somehow then got Obama and all our allies to pretend that was the plan all along and then, instead of keeping quiet about his corruption, he literally goes on stage and brags about it. It makes absolutely no sense unless you start with the conclusion you want and ignore everything that contradicts it, no matter how overwhelming. 
 

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.  It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.  Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

 

***
 

Republicans asked Archer if he was aware that Shokin was investigating Burisma, and Archer said he had actually heard from associates in Washington, D.C., that “Shokin was under control” from Burisma’s persective and that whoever might replace him would be a bigger threat to the company.  “I was spun a narrative that Shokin was good for Burisma,” Archer said.

 

 

Lots and lots of words there Goose. So you mean to tell everyone that Adam Schiff impeached Trump for merely asking about corruption that WASN’T happening? Do you even listen to yourself at all? Unbelievable! 😂😂😂😂

[ChiGoose]

22 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Lots and lots of words there Goose. So you mean to tell everyone that Adam Schiff impeached Trump for merely asking about corruption that WASN’T happening? Do you even listen to yourself at all? Unbelievable! 😂😂😂😂

What the hell are you even talking about? Universal Healthcare? Adam Schiff? Complaining about having to read? 

 

Are you starting to recognize that your position is so bad that you are just throwing out random crap to distract from the facts? 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Nice try. The US didn’t….Joe Biden did, for some really odd reason. He said so himself. How many knots are you guys going to tie yourselves into to justify this nonsense. Is universal healthcare that important to you? 

As an aside yes I consider universal healthcare very important being able to see a doctor should be a right, not just for those that have money
 

The thing is Biden is a centrist Democrat and he’s not going to go all in on universal healthcare, but I would applaud to him if he did

[Kemp]

10 hours ago, Doc said:

 

So what?  They'll just "Russian collusion" it and "phone call" impeach him.

 

Doc has confirmed that there is zero proof about Joe taking bribes.

 

Doc and Deek know the truth, but are too ashamed to admit it.

[Wacka]

Denial is mot just a river in Africa.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Nobody can possibly want universal healthcare this bad! 

Seems more likely the allure of student debt forgiveness moved the needle, coupled with the shifting of the tax burden away from the base, to higher income Americans.  Universal health care isn’t the sexy beast it was a few years ago. 
 

There are lots of people who’ll stay in bed on Election Day thinking their vote doesn’t matter, or based on apathy in general.  However, dangle $10,000+, per couple, no questions asked, people will get up for that.  

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Seems more likely the allure of student debt forgiveness moved the needle, coupled with the shifting of the tax burden away from the base, to higher income Americans.  Universal health care isn’t the sexy beast it was a few years ago. 
 

There are lots of people who’ll stay in bed on Election Day thinking their vote doesn’t matter, or based on apathy in general.  However, dangle $10,000+, per couple, no questions asked, people will get up for that.  

I’m of course only half serious when I mention universal healthcare but as I’ve discovered the modern Left has literally no sense of humor whatsoever. But with that said, I’m lost as to what the end game is here. I know the Left wants unchallenged power/authority. That’s actually understandable considering the majority of the congressional Democrats come from NY, California, and Illinois; three states that have only known one party rule for decades. It’s all they know. But, once established then what? Climate change and universal healthcare seem to be the big agenda. Student debt is a ridiculous platform that only impacts a very small percentage of the population, and trans rights obviously far far less. I’ve gotta believe this is more about getting to a colossal level of income redistribution, for all but the elite Washington class of course.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 hours ago, TSOL said:

You guys on the left are too easy to trick. It's like elementary school level.

 

That's why the country is in the mess it's in. Too many stupid gullible people. 

 

 

Free your minds for crissake

Only those without enough talent  to win need to lie and cheat.  Almost like you're quoting trump when he told Pence he was too honest.  Sad and portends systemic national failure within a generation or 2.  Liars get caught and eventually lose.  watch trump squirm.  His hero Putin is also going to come to a sticky end.  Remember when he asked to wear Kraft's SB ring and wouldn't return it.  That's the kinda guy, you and trump admire.  Good luck with that.

Edited August 14, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

What the hell are you even talking about? Universal Healthcare? Adam Schiff? Complaining about having to read? 

 

Are you starting to recognize that your position is so bad that you are just throwing out random crap to distract from the facts? 

been doing this all along...

[BillStime]

 

$20 MILLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
f'n idiots

 

 

[Wacka]

Yes you are.

[BillsFanNC]

10 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

This flies in the face of facts and reality. Biden was the VP. He was acting on the authority of the President. Basically every reputable source rejects your position. Logic rejects your position. I have no idea why you bring up universal healthcare except maybe as a distraction because your position is based on feelings instead of facts. 
 

The whole theory requires not only that Joe Biden is so devious and cunning that he went against US policy but somehow then got Obama and all our allies to pretend that was the plan all along and then, instead of keeping quiet about his corruption, he literally goes on stage and brags about it. It makes absolutely no sense unless you start with the conclusion you want and ignore everything that contradicts it, no matter how overwhelming. 
 

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.  It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.  Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

 

***
 

Republicans asked Archer if he was aware that Shokin was investigating Burisma, and Archer said he had actually heard from associates in Washington, D.C., that “Shokin was under control” from Burisma’s persective and that whoever might replace him would be a bigger threat to the company.  “I was spun a narrative that Shokin was good for Burisma,” Archer said.

 

 

 

Cmon King. You can do better than this.

 

Oh wait, you cant.

14 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I honestly have a hard time understanding why anyone still believes this is evidence that Biden was trying to help Hunter. 
 

All of the public evidence goes against it and firing Shokin meant it was *more* likely that Burisma would face investigations. 
 

It’s just willful ignorance at this point. 

 

Of course you do.

 

You're the King!

[Steve O]

11 hours ago, TSOL said:

You guys on the left are too easy to trick. It's like elementary school level.

 

That's why the country is in the mess it's in. Too many stupid gullible people. 

 

 

Free your minds for crissake

Been my experience that those on the left are all for free thinking. So long as those thoughts coinside with theirs.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

22 minutes ago, Steve O said:

Been my experience that those on the left are all for free thinking. So long as those thoughts coinside with theirs.

As long as it's honest.  Lying is the MO of much of the right now.  It's normalized in that sad tribe.  There are no horizons.  Just the abyss.  cultural nihilism which lead to nazism last century is prevalent.  I guess it's a common response to being losers who feel they can't win without cheating.

[Kemp]

5 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

Doc has confirmed that there is zero proof about Joe taking bribes.

 

Doc and Deek know the truth, but are too ashamed to admit it.

 

Doc can only laugh.

He committed a major faux pas among Trump supporters.

He acknowledged that Trump lost in '20.

If Doc had any real public persona, this would place him squarely in Trump's crosshairs.

Luckily for him, he doesn't.

[Tommy Callahan]

^^^^^^^^^^ gaslighting, projection, Godwins law all in one comment.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2023 by Chris farley

[Kemp]

5 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

^^^^^^^^^^ gaslighting, projection, Godwins law all in one comment.

 

 

 

You still don't understand what Godwin's Law means, as evidenced by its not ending the discussion.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

^^^^^^^^^^ gaslighting, projection, Godwins law all in one comment.

 

 

Spam or Vienna sausages for lunch today?

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, Kemp said:

 

You still don't understand what Godwin's Law means, as evidenced by its not ending the discussion.

you lack the self-awareness to grasp you ended any valid discussion by using it.

 

it's like ad hominem. in debate it's the white flag.

 

Its all just noise at that point.

 

 

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

Spam or Vienna sausages for lunch today?

I told you before I'm not having lunch with you, that crap sounds gross.

 

it's probably what's messed up your cognitive abilities so bad.

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m of course only half serious when I mention universal healthcare but as I’ve discovered the modern Left has literally no sense of humor whatsoever. But with that said, I’m lost as to what the end game is here. I know the Left wants unchallenged power/authority. That’s actually understandable considering the majority of the congressional Democrats come from NY, California, and Illinois; three states that have only known one party rule for decades. It’s all they know. But, once established then what? Climate change and universal healthcare seem to be the big agenda. Student debt is a ridiculous platform that only impacts a very small percentage of the population, and trans rights obviously far far less. I’ve gotta believe this is more about getting to a colossal level of income redistribution, for all but the elite Washington class of course.

There is nothing inherently wrong with wealth/income redistribution on the appropriate scale. The problem is always scale, and the democrat party typically looks for ways to push massive amounts of people to rely on the government, expanding government, and wetting its beak along the way.   

 

A microcosm of the problem is the current crisis with respect to immigration and NYC.  Again, nothing wrong with the notion of providing sanctuary for people in need (other than on Marthas Vineyard, where they need to disappear those people before peak season).  However, what quickly became apparent was that there was no consideration as to what exactly that phrase meant.  What it turns out it meant was that the good leaders of NYC were completely comfortable with compassion and caring so long as the burden associated with it was carried elsewhere.  Thereafter, it took about 15 minutes for the good leaders of NYC to send a clear message that while everyone has a story to tell, it was best that many of these folks tell their story walking. 

 

A quick search indicated 43 million people carry student loan debt.  It's not a sideline issue, it was a simple yet brilliant political strategy that encourages people to see themselves as a victim, in spite of what boils down in many cases to poor planning, and put some money in their pocket to boot.   Money moves people. 

[Kemp]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

you lack the self-awareness to grasp you ended any valid discussion by using it.

 

it's like ad hominem. in debate it's the white flag.

 

Its all just noise at that point.

 

 

 

At least you understand that your contributions cannot be considered valid discussion, as defined by you.

Nice work.

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

There is nothing inherently wrong with wealth/income redistribution on the appropriate scale. The problem is always scale, and the democrat party typically looks for ways to push massive amounts of people to rely on the government, expanding government, and wetting its beak along the way.   

 

A microcosm of the problem is the current crisis with respect to immigration and NYC.  Again, nothing wrong with the notion of providing sanctuary for people in need (other than on Marthas Vineyard, where they need to disappear those people before peak season).  However, what quickly became apparent was that there was no consideration as to what exactly that phrase meant.  What it turns out it meant was that the good leaders of NYC were completely comfortable with compassion and caring so long as the burden associated with it was carried elsewhere.  Thereafter, it took about 15 minutes for the good leaders of NYC to send a clear message that while everyone has a story to tell, it was best that many of these folks tell their story walking. 

 

A quick search indicated 43 million people carry student loan debt.  It's not a sideline issue, it was a simple yet brilliant political strategy that encourages people to see themselves as a victim, in spite of what boils down in many cases to poor planning, and put some money in their pocket to boot.   Money moves people. 

 

What is the root cause of student debt?