Doc Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 Speaking of bad deals, how about that immunity for MBS from Khashoggi's widow? A man of principles that Joke is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBilliams Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I don't know if this was brought up, but I'm also not calling Whelan a saint. He was court martialled and received a bad conduct discharge for Larceny, bouncing checks, and attempted theft of over $10k in Iraq. Personally, I wouldn't have traded either for Bout. Bout isn't just someone that affected the American people, he is someone that affected COUNTRIES. Potentially millions died due to his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 24 minutes ago, BillStime said: Negotiating with terrorists? Are you serious? Trump surrendered an entire country that we spent trillions and lost way too many Americans to a terrorist organization and released 5,000 terrorists and didn't get one thing in return - including this guy: President Trump, Don’t Leave My Brother, Mark Frerichs, a Hostage, Behind Of course, Biden got the job done: Mark Frerichs, a Navy veteran - held hostage in Afghanistan has been freed in a prisoner swap We’ve already established that Biden will negotiate with hostile regimes, and that’s historically not been a presidential best practice. You keep asking the same question, which basically boils down to “Why didn’t Donald Trump negotiate with hostile nations for political gain, and get sandbagged in the process?”. Kudos for you for super-sizing the silliness with jumping to the conclusion that Trump not negotiating with a nation you feel is dangerous to our interests, and Putin not invading in Trump’s watch is indicative of an employer/employee relationship. Meanwhile, Biden is freeing serial killers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBilliams Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: We’ve already established that Biden will negotiate with hostile regimes, and that’s historically not been a presidential best practice. You keep asking the same question, which basically boils down to “Why didn’t Donald Trump negotiate with hostile nations for political gain, and get sandbagged in the process?”. Kudos for you for super-sizing the silliness with jumping to the conclusion that Trump not negotiating with a nation you feel is dangerous to our interests, and Putin not invading in Trump’s watch is indicative of an employer/employee relationship. Meanwhile, Biden is freeing serial killers. He's literally freeing gun violence instigators while also parading around with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer screaming for gun control. What an absolute joke. If you have convictions so strong for gun control, Viktor Bout being released should have been a non-starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) Hahahahahaha Edited December 8, 2022 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: We’ve already established that Biden will negotiate with hostile regimes, and that’s historically not been a presidential best practice. You keep asking the same question, which basically boils down to “Why didn’t Donald Trump negotiate with hostile nations for political gain, and get sandbagged in the process?”. Kudos for you for super-sizing the silliness with jumping to the conclusion that Trump not negotiating with a nation you feel is dangerous to our interests, and Putin not invading in Trump’s watch is indicative of an employer/employee relationship. Meanwhile, Biden is freeing serial killers. Trump negotiated the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners in exchange for nothing. Didn't get ANYTHING in return - including the release of Mark Frerichs. Own it. 23 minutes ago, Doc said: Speaking of bad deals, how about that immunity for MBS from Khashoggi's widow? A man of principles that Joke is... The joke is on you, as usual: Trump boasted he protected MBS after Khashoggi hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBilliams Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Speaking of what I was talking about, isn't this wonderful? POTUS Gathers to speak on gun violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Why do you have to tell us whether you like Trump or Biden to have a take, Micah? Is this the America we have now? Can’t have anyone thinking who you may remotely like or voted for - and it’s not even necessary for his opinion here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said: He's literally freeing gun violence instigators while also parading around with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer screaming for gun control. What an absolute joke. If you have convictions so strong for gun control, Viktor Bout being released should have been a non-starter. Politicians do political things. BillSy mentioned Trump's "love letters" to N Korea. I'm happy to talk about that, it's what dialogue is all about. BillSy though is completely off the rails here. His angle seems to be that returning Bout to Putin was absolutely the right call, and he apparently would have supported Trump trading Bout for Paul Whelan a few years back. I honestly can't think of any person, any time who would support negotiating with hostile nations and sending their killers back to do more killing. Neville Chamberlain, maybe. It's like BillSy has entered some sort of dream state where Biden is beyond reproach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) Oh look…..the good CCP Soldier has been “educated” hahaha He’s being policed omg hahahaha This country is beyond gone Edited December 8, 2022 by Big Blitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Her blatant stupidity and ignorance ultimately got an arms dealer back to Russia. Let that sink in as we “celebrate” this POS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Hahahahahaha https://twitter.com/citizenfreepres/status/1600919193150377985?s=46&t=PrYpKLICoH0jpdeUtMRwow She certainly didn’t represent the best of America before she left- but she might now…😉👍 Edited December 8, 2022 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: Trump negotiated the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners in exchange for nothing. Didn't get ANYTHING in return - including the release of Mark Frerichs. Own it. The joke is on you, as usual: Trump boasted he protected MBS after Khashoggi hit So...your argument is that a negotiation to broker a peace deal is the same as what happened with Biden and Putin today? That's your position? Fair enough point....Besides getting BG back...what else do you think Team Biden negotiated with respect to peace in that part of the world? At face value, sending a guy back known as the Merchant of Death sounds most unpeaceful, don't you think? As for MBS...Biden has been in office +/- 50 years. The Saudi's have been the Saudi's for all of those +/- 50 years. What was Biden's response to the murder of Khashoggi when he took office...? More importantly, what did he do to marginalize, prevent or eliminate the Saudi scourge after taking office in the early 1970s? When he was second most powerful man in the world 2008-2016? So far we're up to making the world a better place by capitulating to Putin and releasing murders, and punishing MBS by buying oil, offering a fist bump and maybe sending really mean notes with stern language to his mom. I can see why you're a disciple of Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Politicians do political things. BillSy mentioned Trump's "love letters" to N Korea. I'm happy to talk about that, it's what dialogue is all about. BillSy though is completely off the rails here. His angle seems to be that returning Bout to Putin was absolutely the right call, and he apparently would have supported Trump trading Bout for Paul Whelan a few years back. I honestly can't think of any person, any time who would support negotiating with hostile nations and sending their killers back to do more killing. Neville Chamberlain, maybe. It's like BillSy has entered some sort of dream state where Biden is beyond reproach. Trump had no issues releasing 5,000 Taliban prisoners. It's like Leo has entered some sort of dream state where Trump is beyond reproach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 20 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Oh look…..the good CCP Soldier has been “educated” hahaha He’s being policed omg hahahaha This country is beyond gone Good Lord, what a wuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: Trump had no issues releasing 5,000 Taliban prisoners. It's like Leo has entered some sort of dream state where Trump is beyond reproach. 5,000 foot soldiers that have connections to what exactly? What was their crime other then fighting for the Taliban you surrendered Afghanistan to? Are they on par with the merchant of deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: 5,000 foot soldiers that have connections to what exactly? What was their crime other then fighting for the Taliban you surrendered Afghanistan to? Are they on par with the merchant of deaths? Why don't you go do your own research? I know it would be difficult for you because you can only handle sugar coated Trump news... U.S. pressed Kabul government to free thousands of Taliban fighters in bid to encourage peace talks and many have returned to the battlefield Former ambassador to Afghanistan blames Taliban surge on Trump 'delegitimizing' Afghan government “In my view, we bear a major responsibility for this. Began under President Trump when he authorized negotiations between the U.S. and the Taliban without the Afghan government in the room. That was a key Taliban demand. We acceded to it, and it was a huge demoralizing factor for the Afghan government and its security forces,” Crocker said. “We pressed them to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners. Eventually they did it, and watched them go back into the fight against the people who released them. So this is a year and a half worth of demoralization.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 28 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Her blatant stupidity and ignorance ultimately got an arms dealer back to Russia. Let that sink in as we “celebrate” this POS No...I'd get a "who?" from our government. Wrong color, wrong gender, wrong sexual orientation, wrong profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 If Biden and trump were on a sinking ship, who survives? America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 4 hours ago, BillStime said: And who was POTUS in 2018? Trump's former Pennsylvania campaign director, David Urban, worked on trying to get Whelan's release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, BillStime said: Trump had no issues releasing 5,000 Taliban prisoners. It's like Leo has entered some sort of dream state where Trump is beyond reproach. I started the conversation acknowledging that Trump was wrong to send love letters to NK. You then attempted to compare Biden's actions to Trump securing the release of Otto Warmbier, including some odd mention of the cost of his medical care. Once that ruse was exposed, looking silly, you moved on to the relationship between Trump and the Saudi's, in particular, MBS, a current and former ally of Joe Biden. One that connection was revisited, you moved on to a prisoner release that was designed to end a longstanding war with the Taliban and the release of 5,000 POWs. Trump was criticized for that decision, apparently by war hawks who wanted perpetual hostility, or perhaps preferred the Biden approach to earning the deaths of more American soldiers. We can certainly debate the release of those prisoners, and who(m) might have been responsible for that decision--and I assume you were in complete lockstep with Trump on the decision. Be that as it may, you continue to compare unrelated issues in a futile attempt to defend your guy Joe. Just take the hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Trump's former Pennsylvania campaign director, David Urban, worked on trying to get Whelan's release. Yup. You'd think that being a "Putin puppet" would have easily accomplished it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Trump's former Pennsylvania campaign director, David Urban, worked on trying to get Whelan's release. No wonder it failed - Trump hired a lobbyist to get Whelan free? The same guy Raytheon hired as a lobbyist to get a meeting with Pompeo in 2019 that ultimately resulted in billions of dollars in missiles and bombs sales from Raytheon to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates? Yea, the swamp delivered bro and let Whelan rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Funny how the I hate millionaires taking care of millionaires now all of a sudden have no problem with millionaires taking are of a millionaire. If Joe the Plumber gets arrested in Russia and is unfairly sentences do you think he'd have the US government jumping through hoops to release him? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Even CNN is ripping Biden for this "trade". LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 NICE FELLA: Meet the Merchant of Death, Viktor Bout. “This is the guy Presidentish Joe Biden just sprung from prison in exchange for a basketball player stupid enough to bring her personal stash of drugs into a country like Russia.” https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2022/12/08/meet-the-merchant-of-death-viktor-bout-n1651909 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, BillStime said: , the swamp delivered bro and let Whelan rot. . 15 minutes ago, BillStime said: No wonder it failed - Trump hired a lobbyist to get Whelan free? The same guy Raytheon hired as a lobbyist to get a meeting with Pompeo in 2019 that ultimately resulted in billions of dollars in missiles and bombs sales from Raytheon to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates? Yea, the swamp delivered bro and let Whelan rot. I'm really impressed how you're making this thread about trump. Nice work Edited December 8, 2022 by TSOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, B-Man said: NICE FELLA: Meet the Merchant of Death, Viktor Bout. “This is the guy Presidentish Joe Biden just sprung from prison in exchange for a basketball player stupid enough to bring her personal stash of drugs into a country like Russia.” https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2022/12/08/meet-the-merchant-of-death-viktor-bout-n1651909 "Lord of War" was loosely based off him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: Oh look…..the good CCP Soldier has been “educated” hahaha He’s being policed omg hahahaha This country is beyond gone Never. Never. Never. Never apologize to the mob. Tell the mob to ***** right off. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, TSOL said: . I'm really impressed how you're making this thread about trump. Nice work You new here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Boom. The Babylon Bee for the win. Again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You new here? Yes I just opened my account a few hours ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, TSOL said: . I'm really impressed how you're making this thread about trump. Nice work The irony of this - you're all bitching about a guy that was arrested during Trump's watch and NONE OF YOU mentioned his name until today: Showing results for 'Paul Whelan'. - Two Bills Drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 America can rest easy now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Just now, BillStime said: The irony of this - you're all bitching about a guy that was arrested during Trump's watch and NONE OF YOU mentioned his name until today: Showing results for 'Paul Whelan'. - Two Bills Drive Whadjusay? Trump? Oh, I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Why don't you go do your own research? I know it would be difficult for you because you can only handle sugar coated Trump news... U.S. pressed Kabul government to free thousands of Taliban fighters in bid to encourage peace talks and many have returned to the battlefield Former ambassador to Afghanistan blames Taliban surge on Trump 'delegitimizing' Afghan government “In my view, we bear a major responsibility for this. Began under President Trump when he authorized negotiations between the U.S. and the Taliban without the Afghan government in the room. That was a key Taliban demand. We acceded to it, and it was a huge demoralizing factor for the Afghan government and its security forces,” Crocker said. “We pressed them to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners. Eventually they did it, and watched them go back into the fight against the people who released them. So this is a year and a half worth of demoralization.” Exactly. You just proved my point. These idiots were insignificant in grand scheme of things. Like your posts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, TSOL said: Yes I just opened my account a few hours ago Welcome. 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: The irony of this - you're all bitching about a guy that was arrested during Trump's watch and NONE OF YOU mentioned his name until today: Showing results for 'Paul Whelan'. - Two Bills Drive The irony is you don't understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BillStime said: The irony of this - you're all bitching about a guy that was arrested during Trump's watch and NONE OF YOU mentioned his name until today: Showing results for 'Paul Whelan'. - Two Bills Drive Here's the thing... if Biden hadn't got Griner, was still trying to get both Whelan and Griner but struggling to do so... I don't think anyone would be complaining. We get it... it's Putin, Russia. Not an easy person to negotiate with. We have no idea how Trump or his administration worked on getting Whalen back. BUT, Biden DID manage to come to terms with Russia. He gave up one of the worst men on the planet for a person who was breaking the law in the country she was in. If Trump did that, YOU'D be on here freaking out and sharing 40,291,342 tweets from leftists. This is who we just turned over to Russia: https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/viktor-bout-merchant-death-sentenced/story?id=16080286 Edited December 8, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Welcome. The irony is you don't understand why. Yea, because you guys didn't even know who he was until you downloaded your talking points this am... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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