CoudyBills Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Sean McDermott's quote seems appropriate here: "They had us for dead, we ain’t dying yet” Here, let me give you another viewpoint: Ha. Now isn't that a point? Why serious repercussions? The rule says minority candidates need to be interviewed. At the end of the day, the billionaire owner still gets to hire whomever he pleases. Unless I read the rule wrong? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Let's be honest, we all basically knew Daboll was going there. I think Flores is extra angry about that because it sounds like a front office guy was giving him the idea that he was the guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 As to Flores case on discrimination I will wait for all the "evidence" to come out or the settlement to end before I make a decision. I will be like a juror on that. As to the Pay to Tank stuff it is not a good look for the league. Investigative reporters are going to be all over this. It could open up a lot of bad things. Suspecting something is one thing having it confirmed is another. If owners pay coaches to lose what is Goodell going to say about it? Will he say he wasn't aware of it and condemn it. If he does then owners will have to be thrown out of the "club", but they control Goodell. What about players who have incentives in their contracts that may not have been achieved because of willful losing? It may well bring the lottery into football. I have loved NFL football my whole life and I'm sad that this is happening. I want my football with sportsmanship and not the WWF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I find this part of the issue to be quite fascinating. If a police officer sees this type of corruption and it is found out that he or she waited 3 years or so to report it, the officer would be fired or perhaps even jailed, depending on the degree of the corrupt act(s). The difference is, a police officer is a public servant. A football coach is not. I am wondering if there is anything in the contract of a coach, or even the NFL Charter/Bylaws that demand that the coach comes forward if he knows of corruption. If so, Flores certainly would appear to be guilty. In a way, I feel bad for him. If his allegation about tanking is true, this is certainly a blow to the integrity of the entire NFL. In essence (again, if he is telling the truth), he was given a choice between "ratting out" a billionaire owner, or keeping quiet and saving his career. Tough choice, no? Good question!!! I am guessing that resting players is not necessarily trying to lose. but if the tanking never occurred then there was no crime. If someone considers robbing a bank but then thinks twice and doesn't then there was no crime. Every DWI commercial says "think twice, save a life." You don't get arrested for DWI for trying to get into your car drunk and making your friends wrestle the keys away. You never drove drunk. In this case, EVEN IF what Flores alleges is true, he wrestled the keys from Ross's hands and stopped this from happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Browns deny it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 If those allegations prove to be true, there will be 2 more teams for sale... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: but if the tanking never occurred then there was no crime. If someone considers robbing a bank but then thinks twice and doesn't then there was no crime. Every DWI commercial says "think twice, save a life." You don't get arrested for DWI for trying to get into your car drunk and making your friends wrestle the keys away. You never drove drunk. In this case, EVEN IF what Flores alleges is true, he wrestled the keys from Ross's hands and stopped this from happening. May be different in NY, in PA you can be arrested for DUI if you are in the driver's seat with the keys either on you or in the ignition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 If it talks like a cartel and walks like a cartel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: but if the tanking never occurred then there was no crime. I get that and you are right. But again, is a coach in any way obliged to report an offer like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Doc said: If those allegations prove to be true, there will be 2 more teams for sale... Them and the Washington Commanders if we're keeping track of teams that should have been up for sale do to terrible ownership practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said: I see your point to some degree, but you seem to have forgotten about the huge signing bonuses that many of these players receive. Also, I think that the average NFL Salary is pretty high, and the union benefits are very good. What is the league minimum salary these days? Do they get pensions after 4 years? I don't remember how long they must play in the league to qualify. Btw I am NOT one who thinks that these players don't deserve big salaries for the physical beatings they really do take. They do, but I am unprepared and unwilling to paint NFL players as powerless victims. Is this how you would categorize them? No, not at all "powerless" or "victims", but in terms of say in how the team is run - what their daily schedule is, what they practice and when, how much weight they lift, whether they play or not, what their role is if they play etc, they are definitely at the bottom tier of the scale in terms of choice. Being relatively well paid doesn't change that, especially when most of them can be released at any time. And yes, the star players and the top draft picks get "huge signing bonuses", but most of the players in the locker room do not. PS players get nothing. Maybe the top 12-15 paid players on the roster - the top 20%, do. If you follow this branch of the thread, the person I'm responding to suggested that the NFL owners and upper eschelon can not be racists because they hire black NFL players. I hope you'd agree that's baloney. They hire the guys their scouts and pro personnel people select out of the draft and FA class. They may believe some of those players have the capability to develop into coaches and scouts and executives, regardless of skin color - I hope they do - but it bears no evidence for or against that idea that they hire black players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Browns deny it "Revenge of the Fall Guys" I'm starting to get their grievance. The fanbases and media blame them, when in truth, they were puppets being told to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: "Revenge of the Fall Guys" I'm starting to get their grievance. The fanbases and media blame them, when in truth, they were puppets being told to lose. One could also bring David Culley into this. IMO he got shafted but for different reasons. It is sad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Browns deny it If this is true hue got paid a lot cause we won like 4 times in 4 years lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 NFL's response to Flores' lawsuit is embarrassing NFL Investigation: We called Ross he said he didn't do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Them and the Washington Commanders if we're keeping track of teams that should have been up for sale do to terrible ownership practices. Washington would make sense but would be the 3rd team. I meant Miami and Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Washington would make sense but would be the 3rd team. I meant Miami and Cleveland. Yes and what I'm saying is the WTF should have been up for sale for somewhat similar reasons and yet here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Does any of those Gates include payments for FIXING games? no but one of them involved burying evidence that players were prone to snd suffering from serious neurological damage as a result of playing football. Thats not more problematic than allegations of tanking for money? Of course it is….and congress shrugged Edited February 2, 2022 by Mr. WEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: One could also bring David Culley into this. IMO he got shafted but for different reasons. It is sad. Maybe that's the racist aspect too. "Oh, we need to hire black guys? Let's hire them to be our fall guys! Hahaha." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Yeah, if anyone has a claim, it's Culley. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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