Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Evidence for a preference?🤔. I prefer not to make multiple changes on the line. Given the choices, I prefer Doyle over Bates. Right, but what is the evidence that he can adequately play LT in the NFL? In preseason, and in his lone snaps at LT this season, he sucked. The defender did a Linda Ronstadt on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 The one thing I am most confident in is that it won't be Spencer Brown. Maybe I'm wrong, but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 a simple phone call away... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Dude played one snap and got destroyed in under a second. His RAS means little at this stage of the game with Bobby Johnson teaching him how to play This is just ridiculous to judge him on. It was a third and long play, came in cold against a motivated and decent pass rusher. I’d like to see a larger sample size before I pass judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Dude played one snap and got destroyed in under a second. His RAS means little at this stage of the game with Bobby Johnson teaching him how to play We are going to to use one snap to judge a player? How did Hart do? I didn't say Doyle should be the starter going forward. I said given the choice between Bates and Doyle, I go Doyle. RAS may mean little, but I think he's physically better than Bates and maybe Johnson hasn't ruined him yet.😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: This is just ridiculous to judge him on. It was a third and long play, came in cold against a motivated and decent pass rusher. I’d like to see a larger sample size before I pass judgement. Yeah, his play is ridiculous to judge him on. Maybe we should start him today…..we’ll see shortly who McD agrees with, me or you 4 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: We are going to to use one snap to judge a player? How did Hart do? I didn't say Doyle should be the starter going forward. I said given the choice between Bates and Doyle, I go Doyle. RAS may mean little, but I think he's physically better than Bates and maybe Johnson hasn't ruined him yet.😉 Gotcha. I respect your opinion. I just disagree that Doyle should see the field this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Where's Cyrus? Did they ever find his trousers? C'mon Beane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Right, but what is the evidence that he can adequately play LT in the NFL? In preseason, and in his lone snaps at LT this season, he sucked. The defender did a Linda Ronstadt on him. A rookie in pre season and one snap doesn't seem like a fair way to judge him (or any player). At least he has the physical attributes to play LT. Bates is a backup G/C at best in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yeah, his play is ridiculous to judge him on. Maybe we should start him today…..we’ll see shortly who McD agrees with, me or you Gotcha. I respect your opinion. I just disagree that Doyle should see the field this year So by your standards everyone is bad, because everyone has one bad play. SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Hopefully Brown starts at LT and plays well enough for McDumbass to move Dawkins to LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: a simple phone call away... Look at this guy! Sure he was juicing like a maniac, but good God. What a beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: So by your standards everyone is bad, because everyone has one bad play. SMH This is such a ridiculous statement that I’ll regard you as bruh…. everyone else has at least ONE GOOD PLAY. Doyle does not. NOT ONE GOOD PLAY. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I guess we know it ain't gonna be Feliciano! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Evidence for a preference?🤔. I prefer not to make multiple changes on the line. Given the choices, I prefer Doyle over Bates. Obviously I would prefer Dawkins. But again, given a choice between Bates and Doyle I'll go with Doyle to start. This is a great chart to explain why we drafted him. Unfortunately, it has no bearing on his play in the NFL as of yet. He looked like a project in camp and in pre-season. McDermott has been reluctant to use him but won’t risk losing him on the PS. On the other hand I remember when we drafted Howard “The House” Ballard in something like round 12. He was a project, had a rough start, and then developed into a monster RT. Maybe Doyle will develop similarly but it probably won’t happen in one game. I’ll trust McD and his staff and hope for the best. The OL remains the key to the season. Edited December 19, 2021 by Bob in STL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: I voted Brown because he is the best player available. Brown, Feliciano, Morse, Ford, Williams - I don’t like it, but this is what Beane brought to the party. It’s the line we started the season with, but with our rookie swing tackle in for Dawkins at LT. The regression in the play of the entire right side has been our biggest problem. I just heard that Feliciano is on the Covid list. This is getting tenuous. It probably means that Bates stays at backup C/G. It changes my preference to: Brown, Boettger, Morse, Ford, Williams Like many, I hate all the movement. I think Doyle might get forced into the line up given this new information. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NewEra said: This is such a ridiculous statement that I’ll regard you as bruh…. everyone else has at least ONE GOOD PLAY. Doyle does not. NOT ONE GOOD PLAY. Really? Pretty sure he has played more than that one snap. So actually you might be wrong about “not one good play” Edited December 19, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: A rookie in pre season and one snap doesn't seem like a fair way to judge him (or any player). At least he has the physical attributes to play LT. Bates is a backup G/C at best in my opinion. Oh, I agree that long term it would be unfair. But if you're evaluating which choice of a bad lot should be preferred, it seems like a slender reed to hang your hat on physical attributes absent demonstrated ability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 If they didn't elevate Hart with all this movement...why is he even occupying a PS roster spot? I mean, he's bad and shouldn't be elevated...but what a waste of a spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: If they didn't elevate Hart with all this movement...why is he even occupying a PS roster spot? I mean, he's bad and shouldn't be elevated...but what a waste of a spot. I agree. I assume they hold on to him simply because he knows the offense ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: If they didn't elevate Hart with all this movement...why is he even occupying a PS roster spot? I mean, he's bad and shouldn't be elevated...but what a waste of a spot. I thought Hart was released and back living in Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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