Tommy Callahan Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 31 minutes ago, aristocrat said: How many more years of war, dollars or deaths until you change your mind on the war? The Dems found a sweet spot where it's forever. As long as Americans are not the ones dying. They don't give a crap. See Obama's drone program expansion as an example Edited April 21 by Tommy Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 41 minutes ago, aristocrat said: How many more years of war, dollars or deaths until you change your mind on the war? How do you think this ends if we don’t aid Ukraine? What do you think happens if Russia takes over Ukraine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 27 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How do you think this ends if we don’t aid Ukraine? What do you think happens if Russia takes over Ukraine? Some people are all complaint no solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 36 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How do you think this ends if we don’t aid Ukraine? What do you think happens if Russia takes over Ukraine? Why don't you tell us since you guys seem to know everything that's going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 39 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How do you think this ends if we don’t aid Ukraine? What do you think happens if Russia takes over Ukraine? Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. . Maybe there’s a reason they got divorced from the USSR You remember the Evil Empire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years and not a member of NATO, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. The first sentence (plus my addition) is why there will be nothing further. As I said earlier, Putin can barely takeover a non-NATO country. Meanwhile every other country bordering his (in Europe) is a NATO country save Georgia, which may be fast-tracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 51 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How do you think this ends if we don’t aid Ukraine? What do you think happens if Russia takes over Ukraine? the same way it seems to be going right now. it's been two years and no end in sight. ukraine has had about 400k casualties from the war in two years. look, we all agree russia shouldn't have invaded them but they did. now you have to make a choice of what's best for the future of ukraine. do you negoitate a peace deal where russia keeps part of ukraine so the rebuilding of the country can begin? or just keep throwing good money into the country and 2-5 years from now they lose most of their population who are of age to work and have families and so on? it would be a cool story if ukraine managed to beat russia but reality is starting to hit home and it seems the odds of that are getting slimmer by the month. we thought taking the oligarchs money would work, we thought putin was dying, we thought the people of russia would revolt, russia would run out of money etc. none of which has worked. it's just an endless war at this point. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Maybe there’s a reason they got divorced from the USSR You remember the Evil Empire? You are applying your own feelings again Tibsy. I didn't say that it was a good thing if Russia takes over the Ukraine. NO ONE thinks that it is. BUT, it is NOT a "domino", it is NOT a huge problem for the American people. Take your "Putin Fear" someplace else. Adults want the war to end. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 27 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. . I guess not wanting broader war is being pro-war now. Advocating to allow a revanchist country to run roughshod over any country they want is anti-war now. Weird world you all live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: I guess not wanting broader war is being pro-war now. Advocating to allow a revanchist country to run roughshod over any country they want is anti-war now. Weird world you all live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) Russia invades Chechnya: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Chechnya again: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Georgia: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Ukraine: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Ukraine again: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russian leaders say that Latvia is like Ukraine because it doesn’t exist and that other former USSR countries in Europe were actually part of Russia while Russian separatists control land in Moldova: surely they don’t mean it Edited April 21 by ChiGoose 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 6 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I guess not wanting broader war is being pro-war now. Advocating to allow a revanchist country to run roughshod over any country they want is anti-war now. Weird world you all live in. Again. Not what I said. It's almost like you assume what others are thinking and then speak for them. You know, what you claimed everyone on the right was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 34 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. . The fact they are fighting so hard does seem to indicate it would be a pretty big change and one they clearly don't want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, B-Man said: Again. Not what I said. It's almost like you assume what others are thinking and then speak for them. You know, what you claimed everyone on the right was doing. You literally said I was trying to whip up war. You don’t believe that whipping up war is pro-war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Russia invades Chechnya: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Chechnya again: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Georgia: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Ukraine: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Ukraine again: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russian leaders say that Latvia is like Ukraine because it doesn’t exist and that other former USSR countries in Europe were actually part of Russia while Russian separatists control land in Moldova: surely they don’t mean it Latvia's a NATO country. Good luck there. Moldova says they want permanent neutrality, but if Ukraine falls, that will likely change and NATO will admit them immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 23 minutes ago, B-Man said: You are applying your own feelings again Tibsy. I didn't say that it was a good thing if Russia takes over the Ukraine. NO ONE thinks that it is. BUT, it is NOT a "domino", it is NOT a huge problem for the American people. Take your "Putin Fear" someplace else. Adults want the war to end. . You said it was no big change. Going from a free society to Putin’s dictatorship is no big deal? Whatever! Meanwhile, if any gun law gets passed here, you scream “tyranny”!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You said it was no big change. Going from a free society to Putin’s dictatorship is no big deal There is no free society or democracy in Ukraine. Hasn't been for a while 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 38 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: There is no free society or democracy in Ukraine. Hasn't been for a while They are a free republic. Stop lying 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 39 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: There is no free society or democracy in Ukraine. Hasn't been for a while Yes there will be a democratic utopia with Russian tanks in Kiev. Another stellar take that likely originated in Moscow. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 37 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Yes there will be a democratic utopia with Russian tanks in Kiev. Another stellar take that likely originated in Moscow. The kiev federal capital stood till Ukraine drone attack on kremlin. It's like your goal is escalation 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: the same way it seems to be going right now. it's been two years and no end in sight. ukraine has had about 400k casualties from the war in two years. look, we all agree russia shouldn't have invaded them but they did. now you have to make a choice of what's best for the future of ukraine. do you negoitate a peace deal where russia keeps part of ukraine so the rebuilding of the country can begin? or just keep throwing good money into the country and 2-5 years from now they lose most of their population who are of age to work and have families and so on? it would be a cool story if ukraine managed to beat russia but reality is starting to hit home and it seems the odds of that are getting slimmer by the month. we thought taking the oligarchs money would work, we thought putin was dying, we thought the people of russia would revolt, russia would run out of money etc. none of which has worked. it's just an endless war at this point. If Ukraine loses, it will be because somehow Ukraine was outproduced, even though it's supported by a block comprising about 50% of the human race's total economic production. If Ukraine loses, it will be because we and our allies are exactly as weak as BRICS and the rest of the Russo-Chinese block think we are. I don't want the bad old days to come back, and our grandfathers didn't rebuild the world for our benefit for us to piss it all away. Edited April 21 by Coffeesforclosers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted Monday at 12:06 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:06 AM 21 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: If Ukraine loses, it will be because somehow Ukraine was outproduced, even though it's supported by a block comprising about 50% of the human race's total economic production. If Ukraine loses, it will be because we and our allies are exactly as weak as BRICS and the rest of the Russo-Chinese block think we are. I don't want the bad old days to come back, and our grandfathers didn't rebuild the world for our benefit for us to piss it all away. ukraine may lose because they run out of military aged soldiers. then you run the risk of no available people to breed. roughly 25 percent of the population is between 18-59. thats about 11 million people or so. they've lost 400k to casualties. russias population is 150 mil or so. at a certain point they literally will run out of people to fight and then the country will have population decline. unless you want american troops headed over there. at a certain point you have to face the reality of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted Monday at 12:09 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:09 AM 5 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: The commies of PPP of course take mo issue with representatives proudly waving foreign flags in Congress. Despicable commie traitors. Every accusation is a confession - you freaks never think. GTFOH w your faux tears little Vlad. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted Monday at 12:11 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:11 AM 3 hours ago, B-Man said: Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. . What a doofus…..No wonder you stick to posting links….your takes are actually worse 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted Monday at 12:27 PM Share Posted Monday at 12:27 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted Monday at 12:30 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 12:30 PM 1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said: 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted Monday at 12:33 PM Share Posted Monday at 12:33 PM (edited) Edited Monday at 12:33 PM by Tommy Callahan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted Tuesday at 10:48 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 10:48 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted Tuesday at 04:18 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:18 PM @Tiberius This the kind of democracy you support? https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1782795354062074079?t=qyIDYAlbR0pIMnjDFfCzag&s=19 Send these to Ukraine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted Tuesday at 08:44 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:44 PM 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: It's the least they can do, considering we're funding their yachts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted Thursday at 10:42 AM Author Share Posted Thursday at 10:42 AM https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/23/ukraine-aid-biden-congress-russia/ The potential game changers in the conflict are the newly arriving ATACM-300 long-range missiles. These precision weapons will allow Ukraine to strike deep into Russian-occupied territory in Crimea, Donbas and coastal regions — hitting Russian airfields, supply depots, staging areas and command-and-control centers within Ukraine. The ATACMS “will degrade Russian logistics inside Ukraine in the near term,” a senior administration official said on Tuesday. “In the longer term, Russia will have to reconsider its strategy.” That might eventually open the way for a just negotiated peace. Russian analysts recognize they’ve lost momentum. With the new American aid, “some increase in Ukraine’s defensive potential is possible, and offensive as well,” according to Dmitry Stefanovich, a researcher for a think tank associated with the Russian Academy of Sciences. He added that on a “symbolic” level, the U.S. aid “will clearly raise the morale of the Ukrainian armed forces.” Vasily Kashin, another analyst in Moscow, warned of new military pressure on Russia. “Ukraine will have additional high-precision weapons that it will use against our troops and our territory.” He added that new air-defense weapons for Ukraine “will again limit the use of Russian aviation,” which in recent weeks had been striking power plants and other targets in Ukraine almost at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted Thursday at 10:49 AM Author Share Posted Thursday at 10:49 AM Oh, MAGA is worried that Trump will lose access to lots of money if the murderous Kremlin has its funds confiscated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted Thursday at 12:52 PM Share Posted Thursday at 12:52 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Oh, MAGA is worried that Trump will lose access to lots of money if the murderous Kremlin has its funds confiscated Its sounds like a great idea but there are real consequences to Americans rarely discussed or understood. Seizing and freezing foreign assets held at US commercial banks or the Fed have resulted in asset transfers out of US custody and into gold and other currencies held outside the US banking system. This will accelerate the process of replacing the current standard with another standard such as SDRs or a return to some form of gold backing. While people want to believe that military might is what keeps the US in control its actually the reserve and trade settlement status of the dollar that facilitates it all. Lose that and the consequences of borrowing and spending lots of money you don't have become immediate. No more passing $90B borrow and spend bills to feather the nests of defense contractors and suppliers. All this mostly plays into the hands of one country, China. Edited Thursday at 12:56 PM by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted Thursday at 01:27 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 01:27 PM 34 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Its sounds like a great idea but there are real consequences to Americans rarely discussed or understood. Seizing and freezing foreign assets held at US commercial banks or the Fed have resulted in asset transfers out of US custody and into gold and other currencies held outside the US banking system. This will accelerate the process of replacing the current standard with another standard such as SDRs or a return to some form of gold backing. While people want to believe that military might is what keeps the US in control its actually the reserve and trade settlement status of the dollar that facilitates it all. Lose that and the consequences of borrowing and spending lots of money you don't have become immediate. No more passing $90B borrow and spend bills to feather the nests of defense contractors and suppliers. All this mostly plays into the hands of one country, China. Ya, I'm sure we are doomed if we take Putin's money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted yesterday at 01:27 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:27 AM https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/25/poland-deport-ukraine-conscription-russia-war/ Ukraine running out of troops. Who could have seen this coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted yesterday at 12:13 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:13 PM Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted yesterday at 12:25 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 12:25 PM Are tanks obsolete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted yesterday at 12:49 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:49 PM 11 hours ago, aristocrat said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/25/poland-deport-ukraine-conscription-russia-war/ Ukraine running out of troops. Who could have seen this coming? As the casualty numbers they provide are vastly under-reported only those believing them are surprised. The war, while very popular with flag waving members of the United States Congress and the defense industry, is currently not so popular with Ukrainians citizens. In order to muster up enough troops aged 18 to 59, the government kidnapping them off the street or forcing them to return from overseas to man the front lines. Its estimating around 1 million Ukrainians have left the country for Poland and Zelensky wants those men of fighting age back for manning the front where life expectancy is measured in days or hours. But its all good because Putin is evil and there is no sacrifice the cheerleaders safely away from the front can expect from other people that is too big to defeat him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted yesterday at 08:17 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 08:17 PM Russia obviously watching the IIDF operate in Gaza now threatening hospitals in Kyiv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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