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Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦


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29 minutes ago, SCBills said:


I don’t need “top tips”.   I’ll criticize Trump when he’s being an infantile child, causing states like Georgia to go blue and I’ll defend him when people lie about him.  


Trump on Ukraine/Russia likely isn’t the hill you want to die on with criticism considering 62% - according to The Hill’s polling - believe this never would have happened if Trump was President. 

62% of the people can believe whatever the6 want, that doesn’t make it true. If Putin went after Ukraine in his second term you think he suddenly would have taken a 180 on Putin after he invaded Ukraine..oops I mean fully invaded because you don’t think the first invasion was an invasion 

 

 

 

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That the Ukraine Air Force is still flying makes me strongly suspect the US conducting electronic counter measures to make the Soviet radar blind. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, John Adams said:


India won’t stop importing fertilizer from Russia either. 
 

Stop blaming this war on anything but one thing. Putin. 
 

One good outcome from this is that maybe Germany in particular gets back to a long term reliance on nuclear. Maybe we will too. 

 

 

The war IS on Putin

 

But the Democrats do everything wrong from making sure it doesn't get to that point.  

 

Now we agree on energy.  

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2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

62% of the people can believe whatever the6 want, that doesn’t make it true. If Putin went after Ukraine in his second term you think he suddenly would have taken a 180 on Putin after he invaded Ukraine..oops I mean fully invaded because you don’t think the first invasion was an invasion 


Im not convinced Putin would have done this with Trump. 
 

-We likely wouldn’t have had the dumpster fire Afghanistan exit.  
 

-We’d have much more energy flexibility.  
 

-Nothing like this happened under 4 years of Trump.  


-I doubt Trump feebly shares Russian intelligence with China. 
 

Regarding your last comment of the invasion… Biden himself referenced “minor incursion” also.   The people of Donetsk and Luhansk identify with Russia over Ukraine and Biden seemed prepared to allow a Crimea-like annexation… which makes sense since that happened when he was VP. 

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1 minute ago, SCBills said:


Im not convinced Putin would have done this with Trump. 
 

-We likely wouldn’t have had the dumpster fire Afghanistan exit.  
 

-We’d have much more energy flexibility.  
 

-Nothing like this happened under 4 years of Trump.  


-I doubt Trump feebly shares Russian intelligence with China. 
 

Regarding your last comment of the invasion… Biden himself referenced “minor incursion” also.   The people of Donetsk and Luhansk identify with Russia over Ukraine and Biden seemed prepared to allow a Crimea-like annexation… which makes sense since that happened when he was VP. 

 

 

Stop using logic this is America in 2022, there is no place for that here.  

 

Silicon Valley/CCP approved thought only.  

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16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

62% of the people can believe whatever the6 want, that doesn’t make it true. If Putin went after Ukraine in his second term you think he suddenly would have taken a 180 on Putin after he invaded Ukraine..oops I mean fully invaded because you don’t think the first invasion was an invasion

 

Same goes for 52% of the people...

 

 

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:


Im not convinced Putin would have done this with Trump. 
 

-We likely wouldn’t have had the dumpster fire Afghanistan exit.  
 

-We’d have much more energy flexibility.  
 

-Nothing like this happened under 4 years of Trump.  


-I doubt Trump feebly shares Russian intelligence with China. 
 

Regarding your last comment of the invasion… Biden himself referenced “minor incursion” also.   The people of Donetsk and Luhansk identify with Russia over Ukraine and Biden seemed prepared to allow a Crimea-like annexation… which makes sense since that happened when he was VP. 

 

Trump probably also would have definitely declared that Ukraine wouldn't be a part of NATO.

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Zelenskyy warned of last night being “the night”… which given how they are using Western Media was brilliant.   He likely knew that Russia was not in a position to take Kyiv, but in declaring so, ensured his ability to declare victory in holding the city today.  
 

Here we go again..  Let’s see what happens tonight.  

 

 

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WaPo!  Omg

 

Poll: 33% of Americans Approve of Biden’s Handling of Russia-Ukraine Conflict

 

 

A mere 33 percent of Americans “approve” of how Joe Biden has handled the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, a Washington Post-ABC News poll shows.

 

While 33 percent of respondents “approve” of Biden’s handling of the situation, 47 percent “disapprove,” and another 20 percent have “no opinion.” The poll asked respondents if they think America’s leadership on the world stage is “weaker” or “stronger” under Biden. Just 23 percent of those surveyed said they believe America is a “stronger” global leader with Biden at the helm, while 48 percent believe the U.S. is “weaker”; another 26 percent said the “same” and 2 percent had “no opinion.”

 

The poll was conducted between February 20-24 and surveyed 1,011 adults..

 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/25/poll-33-approve-of-bidens-russia-ukraine/

 

 

And adults!  Wow.  

 

What a mess.  

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24 minutes ago, SCBills said:


Im not convinced Putin would have done this with Trump. 
 

-We likely wouldn’t have had the dumpster fire Afghanistan exit.  
 

-We’d have much more energy flexibility.  
 

-Nothing like this happened under 4 years of Trump.  


-I doubt Trump feebly shares Russian intelligence with China. 
 

Regarding your last comment of the invasion… Biden himself referenced “minor incursion” also.   The people of Donetsk and Luhansk identify with Russia over Ukraine and Biden seemed prepared to allow a Crimea-like annexation… which makes sense since that happened when he was VP. 

Is the Trump you are referring to the same one who withheld $400 Billion in aide to Ukraine to fight this exact aggression from Russia in  blackmail operation to get the current Ukraine President fighting Putin…to get some kind of false statement to help him in an election….which he ultimately got impeached for….that Trump?

 

Pretty sure that action and his recent statements tell us all we need to know about your orange hero 

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37 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

That the Ukraine Air Force is still flying makes me strongly suspect the US conducting electronic counter measures to make the Soviet radar blind. 

 

 

Idiotic.

Sorry for the lack of tact, but you continue to post stuff that is absolutely crazy.

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7 minutes ago, John Adams said:

Assuming Russia eventually “controls” Kyiv, good luck maintaining control of Ukraine with every country in the world pumping resources to the resistance. 
 

This is the end of Putin but it might not be pretty. 

 

They never had any chance of taking-over Ukraine.  Maybe installing a puppet government, but that dream is also over.

 

And talk is of the oligarchs taking Putin out themselves after this debacle.

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3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

WaPo!  Omg

 

Poll: 33% of Americans Approve of Biden’s Handling of Russia-Ukraine Conflict

 

 

A mere 33 percent of Americans “approve” of how Joe Biden has handled the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, a Washington Post-ABC News poll shows.

 

While 33 percent of respondents “approve” of Biden’s handling of the situation, 47 percent “disapprove,” and another 20 percent have “no opinion.” The poll asked respondents if they think America’s leadership on the world stage is “weaker” or “stronger” under Biden. Just 23 percent of those surveyed said they believe America is a “stronger” global leader with Biden at the helm, while 48 percent believe the U.S. is “weaker”; another 26 percent said the “same” and 2 percent had “no opinion.”

 

The poll was conducted between February 20-24 and surveyed 1,011 adults..

 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/25/poll-33-approve-of-bidens-russia-ukraine/

 

 

And adults!  Wow.  

 

What a mess.  


I think he’s doing everything he can, as a Green Energy President, now.   He’s pretty limited in scope given constraints he’s placed on himself and in dealing with Euro countries.  
 

My issue with Biden is that the effort to stop this was squandered over his first year in office.    
 

Now, we’re here, and he’s got to play the cards he’s given.  However, many of the bad cards he’s been dealt… he’s dealt to himself.  

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3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

WaPo!  Omg

 

Poll: 33% of Americans Approve of Biden’s Handling of Russia-Ukraine Conflict

 

 

A mere 33 percent of Americans “approve” of how Joe Biden has handled the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, a Washington Post-ABC News poll shows.

 

While 33 percent of respondents “approve” of Biden’s handling of the situation, 47 percent “disapprove,” and another 20 percent have “no opinion.” The poll asked respondents if they think America’s leadership on the world stage is “weaker” or “stronger” under Biden. Just 23 percent of those surveyed said they believe America is a “stronger” global leader with Biden at the helm, while 48 percent believe the U.S. is “weaker”; another 26 percent said the “same” and 2 percent had “no opinion.”

 

The poll was conducted between February 20-24 and surveyed 1,011 adults..

 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/25/poll-33-approve-of-bidens-russia-ukraine/

 

 

And adults!  Wow.  

 

What a mess.  

Biden could have driven his corvette to the airport…got in a fighter plane and personally fought back the Russians and people like you would “disapprove” of him in a poll….which shows you how relevant polls are….

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2 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Is the Trump you are referring to the same one who withheld $400 Billion in aide to Ukraine to fight this exact aggression from Russia in  blackmail operation to get the current Ukraine President fighting Putin…to get some kind of false statement to help him in an election….which he ultimately got impeached for….that Trump?

 

Pretty sure that action and his recent statements tell us all we need to know about your orange hero 

 

What was wrong with asking a new "non-corrupt" government to investigate corrupt Biden and his idiot boy son, who worked for a corrupt business and who Biden threatened to withhold money until they fired a prosecutor looking into their corruption?

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1 minute ago, SCBills said:

I think he’s doing everything he can, as a Green Energy President, now.   He’s pretty limited in scope given constraints he’s placed on himself and in dealing with Euro countries.  
 

My issue with Biden is that the effort to stop this was squandered over his first year in office.    
 

Now, we’re here, and he’s got to play the cards he’s given.  However, many of the bad cards he’s been dealt… he’s dealt to himself.  

 

And he's hiding 2's up his sleeve.

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