First Round Bust Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 not sure about Beasley - it comes down to not only the numbers but a replacement - can an in-house candidate - G Davis or Kumerow slide into the slot ? They do have some size and experience just not in the slot...not sure if Bealeywould accept a pay cut as part of extension as a lot of our vets have over the past few years. I do want Klein back -he has found his niche-game in our schemes and Milano does miss some games so he provides key depth - hoping we can extend him and work the numbers... cant make everyone happy nor keep everybody..off-season thread, post Super-Bowl focus for sure...such as Morse....playing well, key position as well 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Frostbite said: Not sure Klein is cut #1. I think the coaching staff loves him and he provides quality depth. I could easily see him kept at current salary. I'm not high on him and agree he costs way too much, just giving an objective opinion. They could do what they did with Addison and Butler and promise to keep him if he takes a pay cut but the whole point of developing guys like Dodson and Smith surely has to be to wean themselves off high price backups. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I suspect Beasley is gone after this year. He is one of the easier cuts on the roster IMO. AJ Klein is cut #1. I have Beasley as cut #2. Those two alone save you $11.3m. The way Sanders is playing it is possible they would rather extend him another year than keep Beas. AJ Klein is not a star but he is being paid mid level money and playing above it, not sure why you think he is cut one especially with Milanos injury history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Sanders, have read he's actually better in the slot than as #2. And then make Davis #2. And sign one other FA who's a mid level WR and should be just as good. Allen will make players much better than they are. Give any WR enough time, he'll always get open. Allen has ability to extend plays to make that happen. While I like Davis, if we move Sanders to the slot, I would prefer to have more speed on the outside...I like Davis as the #4, where we don’t have to rely on him to produce every week, and where is contributions can still be a nice little addition to the offense from time to time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: AJ Klein is not a star but he is being paid mid level money and playing above it, not sure why you think he is cut one especially with Milanos injury history. Because $5.4m for a backup is a lot of money on a team starting to pay its stars. And he is a backup not a rotational guy. When Tremaine and Milano are healthy he plays a tiny % of snaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbite Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They could do what they did with Addison and Butler and promise to keep him if he takes a pay cut but the whole point of developing guys like Dodson and Smith surely has to be to wean themselves off high price backups. I'm in favor of a paycut and Klein seems like the person to do that to stay with a contender. I like Dodson and Smith, I'm just more comfortable with Klein in the backup role for now. This could easily change the next time Klein is out there and F's up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Frostbite said: I'm in favor of a paycut and Klein seems like the person to do that to stay with a contender. I like Dodson and Smith, I'm just more comfortable with Klein in the backup role for now. This could easily change the next time Klein is out there and F's up. If money was no issue I would want Klein too. But I'd rather that money goes to extending Tremaine or keeping Sanders (or replacing him) or improving our guard play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Because $5.4m for a backup is a lot of money on a team starting to pay its stars. And he is a backup not a rotational guy. When Tremaine and Milano are healthy he plays a tiny % of snaps. Do you trust Milano to be there week in and week out? He had 75 tackles last year so whether by design or chance he was involved a lot. If Milano is healthy the whole season he will have limited plays but he is our insurance policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Do you trust Milano to be there week in and week out? He had 75 tackles last year so whether by design or chance he was involved a lot. If Milano is healthy the whole season he will have limited plays but he is our insurance policy. Irrelevant to me. I don't think you keep a $5.4m insurance policy "just in case". You do that when you are still a building team. When you are paying your guys I think you have to prioritise your starting jobs and trust yourself to develop young depth and find cheap vet depth. If AJK was willing to play next year for say $3m, then I'd keep him. At $5.4m he is too rich for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Why are some people so anxious to get rid of one of the top slot receivers in the NFL? Don't you like winning? Or is this about his politics? I thought we wanted to keep good players. Maybe he's had a less productive season to date than last year, but so has Diggs. Surely you don't want to get rid of him too, do you? 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I'm just going to trust that McDermott and Brandon Beane have already looked at the roster, the cap situation and have roughly the next 2-3 years planned out. They both seem way too detail oriented to not operate this way. I like how they fill the roster top to bottom with good/great, but not amazing players and let it all be greater than the sum of its parts. I like how Beane uses FA to strategically address needs or gaps in the roster so the draft is BPA and BPA only. I feel like the only two times they've deviated from this strategy and reached for need (Zay Jones, Cody Ford) it hasn't worked out, we know it and so do they. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshynman Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Why are some people so anxious to get rid of one of the top slot receivers in the NFL? Don't you like winning? Or is this about his politics? I thought we wanted to keep good players. Maybe he's had a less productive season to date than last year, but so has Diggs. Surely you don't want to get rid of him too, do you? Well it is Beasley that brought politics to the issue. Had he just said nothing, it would be a non-issue. I don't like they way he's gone about it. It puts a bad spotlight on him and the team. Do your job, be thankful you have the skills to be paid millions to play a game. And get vaccinated because its good for society. Edited October 15, 2021 by sunshynman words 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Why are some people so anxious to get rid of one of the top slot receivers in the NFL? Don't you like winning? Or is this about his politics? I thought we wanted to keep good players. Maybe he's had a less productive season to date than last year, but so has Diggs. Surely you don't want to get rid of him too, do you? Because he will be 33 by next season. Now if there was no distraction and no dip in production I would keep him. At the moment there is some of both. I could still change my mind on this but as of today I think he will be a cut candidate. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I am really curious about how the Browns are going to handle Baker Mayfield. I have a feeling he will want a contract higher than Allen, because he was drafted ahead of him, but he is definitely not worth that much money. I am guessing that they will have to pay him, but there are a lot of high first round picks on that roster, coming due soon, since they have been drafting so high for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 45 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: AJ Klein is not a star but he is being paid mid level money and playing above it, not sure why you think he is cut one especially with Milanos injury history. 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Because $5.4m for a backup is a lot of money on a team starting to pay its stars. And he is a backup not a rotational guy. When Tremaine and Milano are healthy he plays a tiny % of snaps. Agree with both comments, my solution would be to offer him a sizable pay cut and maybe an extra year to re-do his contract. If he says no, then he's gone. But do like his ability to step in when Milano gets hurt. And I said when not if! LOL Likely also draft a rookie LB too that pays that same role and maybe even with a lower salary, might still let him go in 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 30 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Why are some people so anxious to get rid of one of the top slot receivers in the NFL? Don't you like winning? Or is this about his politics? I thought we wanted to keep good players. Maybe he's had a less productive season to date than last year, but so has Diggs. Surely you don't want to get rid of him too, do you? I don't think it's his politics as much as it is his inability to STFU in reference to his politics. Sometimes the juice ain't worth the squeeze. He's proving that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) Re: Klein, he is a good option to have vs. the Titans and Browns run-centered offenses. Brings a little more thumpability in run support. Spotrac says Bills have following FA's in 2022 Hughes $10,750 Addison $10,150 Butler $7,500 Sanders $6,000 Trubisky $2,500 Boettger $2,133 Wallace $1,750 Taiwan Jones $1,750 Obada $1,500 McKenzie $1127.5 Brieda $1,055 Ferguson $990 Harry Phillips $835.5 Zimmer $835 Neal $686.5 Bates [RFA] $585 Dodson [ERFA] $557 Only "serious" money are the first four. Starting with Trubisky, everyone else is 2.5MM or less. Edited October 15, 2021 by BearNorth 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 10 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Some good teams with money to burn I mean throw around. And some dumpster fires. You really are watching the last of Adams and Rodgers in GB imo. And the Saints....woof The Saints have been passing the buck down the road since signing Jarius Byrd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I suspect Beasley is gone after this year. He is one of the easier cuts on the roster IMO. AJ Klein is cut #1. I have Beasley as cut #2. Those two alone save you $11.3m. The way Sanders is playing it is possible they would rather extend him another year than keep Beas. Certainly a possibility, it will be good off season entertainment to watch next years version of the Bills materialize right in front of us. Go Bills!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea we definitely have a division advantage right now. Pre-season I was very much in the camp of "the Bills won't sweep it again they will drop 1 somewhere, probably 5-1" but the way those three teams are looking it would be a huge disappointment if we don't sweep. I don't believe a team has ever swept a division two years in a row. Could be another Bills record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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