Doc Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I'm assuming it was related to the WHO's investigation into it, since this all snowballed right after their report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, B-Man said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, BillStime said: And the obsession continues... In a thread about Fauci, you always love to try and make it about Trump... Can you see why having a conversation with you about any topic proves to be pointless, uneventful, and un-enlightening? It’s because you don’t seek truth...and you are blinded from truth by your resentment, hatred, and vengefulness... If I may be so bold, it’s quite unfortunate to see, and makes you no different than the extreme wackos on the Right who worship Trump no matter what... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: And the obsession continues... In a thread about Fauci, you always love to try and make it about Trump... Can you see why having a conversation with you about any topic proves to be pointless, uneventful, and un-enlightening? It’s because you don’t seek truth...and you are blinded from truth by your resentment, hatred, and vengefulness... If I may be so bold, it’s quite unfortunate to see, and makes you no different than the extreme wackos on the Right who worship Trump no matter what... The truth? Like this? Trump officials celebrated efforts to change CDC reports on coronavirus, emails show ‘Yippee!!!’: Trump officials celebrated efforts to change CDC reports on coronavirus, e-mails show Proud of Buffalo’s Caputo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, BillStime said: The truth? Like this? Trump officials celebrated efforts to change CDC reports on coronavirus, emails show ‘Yippee!!!’: Trump officials celebrated efforts to change CDC reports on coronavirus, e-mails show Proud of Buffalo’s Caputo? Dude, I get it! Trump wasn’t perfect by a long stretch...there are a million threads that discuss all of that ad nauseam...this thread is not one of them...stop trying to hijack this thread for your own agenda... This is not a “Trump vs Democrats on how to handle Covid” thread...but rather one that seeks to find the truth about the ORIGINS of Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Dude, I get it! Trump wasn’t perfect by a long stretch...there are a million threads that discuss all of that ad nauseam...this thread is not one of them...stop trying to hijack this thread for your own agenda... This is not a “Trump vs Democrats on how to handle Covid” thread...but rather one that seeks to find the truth about the ORIGINS of Covid. lol - where does the buck stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 minute ago, BillStime said: lol - where does the buck stop? The buck stops with Trump getting voted out of office... Now that we got that out of the way, do you care about where the virus originated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: The buck stops with Trump getting voted out of office... Now that we got that out of the way, do you care about where the virus originated? Not one bit - it doesn’t change what happened and doesn’t bring any of the people back that died from this virus. Explain to me how it matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 55 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Dude, I get it! Trump wasn’t perfect by a long stretch...there are a million threads that discuss all of that ad nauseam...this thread is not one of them...stop trying to hijack this thread for your own agenda... This is not a “Trump vs Democrats on how to handle Covid” thread...but rather one that seeks to find the truth about the ORIGINS of Covid. It's more than just that: it's a thread to show how Trump was guided by someone who many would call incompetent, or to be kinder, who didn't have all the facts (and still doesn't appear to over a year later) during the crucial stages of the pandemic. And just like they don't care to admit that and blame it all on Trump, they don't care where/how the Chinese virus originated because that also leads away from Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, BillStime said: Not one bit - it doesn’t change what happened and doesn’t bring any of the people back that died from this virus. Explain to me how it matters? Well, I agree with half of your first paragraph... You’re right that it can’t bring back the people we have already lost... However, the only way to help prevent another pandemic in the future is finding its root cause, so we don’t make the same mistake again...And finding a problem’s origin is, pretty much, how humanity has always learned to mitigate them, since the dawn of time...so, this logical thinking is nothing new... Therefore, in my opinion, EVERYONE should want to know the origins of Covid... Edited June 6, 2021 by JaCrispy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Well, I agree with half of your first paragraph... You’re right that it can’t bring back the people we have already lost... However, the only way to help prevent another pandemic in the future is finding its root cause, so we don’t make the same mistake again...And finding a problem’s origin is, pretty much, how humanity has always learned to mitigate them, since the dawn of time...so, this logical thinking is nothing new... Therefore, in my opinion, EVERYONE should want to know the origins of Covid... Oh - you don’t think the world is going to analyze how this virus came about? They will... ...but there is an implication that somehow the origin vindicates Trump - it doesn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 I'll be surprised if Fauci lasts until Friday given some of the developing stories I've seen over the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 26 minutes ago, BillStime said: ..but there is an implication that somehow the origin vindicates Trump - it doesn’t. Who said it vindicates Trump? I haven't heard anyone say that except you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Who said it vindicates Trump? I haven't heard anyone say that except you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Who said it vindicates Trump? I haven't heard anyone say that except you. I am. Every time "the science" changes and I post "it's still all Trump's fault," it's me being facetious, saying that he was guided by these so-called experts who guided him poorly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Dude, I get it! Trump wasn’t perfect by a long stretch...there are a million threads that discuss all of that ad nauseam...this thread is not one of them...stop trying to hijack this thread for your own agenda... This is not a “Trump vs Democrats on how to handle Covid” thread...but rather one that seeks to find the truth about the ORIGINS of Covid. To be fair, the OP didn’t really define the topic of the thread. They just posted a YouTube video with no comments or anything... let’s see who was the OP... ohhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: To be fair, the OP didn’t really define the topic of the thread. They just posted a YouTube video with no comments or anything... let’s see who was the OP... ohhh My friend, did you watch the video? The entire half hour was about new info that had come out about Covid origins, and how this new info makes Dr. Fauci seem less than forthright about it- at the very minimum...Between that and the title, it seemed pretty self explanatory to me... 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I'll be surprised if Fauci lasts until Friday given some of the developing stories I've seen over the weekend. I’ve heard rumors that the Biden administration is quietly working on an exit strategy...we’ll see if it turns out to be true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Just now, JaCrispy said: My friend, did you watch the video? The entire half hour was about new info that had come out about Covid origins, and how this new info makes Dr. Fauci seem less than forthright about it- at the very minimum...Between that and the title, it seemed pretty self explanatory to me... I did. You posted a video with no comment or anything on your opinion. I can post a video of I Love Lucy where Lucy Ball can’t keep up with chocolate in a chocolate factory. Why did I post it? Who knows if I post a random video with no context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 Just now, Backintheday544 said: I did. You posted a video with no comment or anything on your opinion. I can post a video of I Love Lucy where Lucy Ball can’t keep up with chocolate in a chocolate factory. Why did I post it? Who knows if I post a random video with no context. Yeah, sometimes I just like to drop info and have discussion spark from that, rather than have my own opinion cloud what’s being reported... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Yeah, sometimes I just like to drop info and have discussion spark from that, rather than have my own opinion cloud what’s being reported... You’re not a spammer like bman... but I don’t see how that video matches your title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: You’re not a spammer like bman... but I don’t see how that video matches your title. Fauci’s original premise, from the beginning has always been that Covid was a natural occurrence from bat to humans...The title indicates that that premise may be starting to fall apart due to other virologists discrediting Fauci, due to certain Chinese crediting Fauci with his gain of function donations (even though he denies it), and due to Fauci’s own secret emails contradicting what he’s been telling the public... Listen to how Fauci denies doing something, and then in the very next sentence explaining why they are doing the very thing he denied... As more and more comes out, it just seems like there might be a conflict of interest between who was doing the research in Wuhan, and who is trying to cover up why and where the outbreak occurred in the first place... Edited June 6, 2021 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 41 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Fauci’s original premise, from the beginning has always been that Covid was a natural occurrence from bat to humans...The title indicates that that premise may be starting to fall apart due to other virologists discrediting Fauci, due to certain Chinese crediting Fauci with his gain of function donations (even though he denies it), and due to Fauci’s own secret emails contradicting what he’s been telling the public... Listen to how Fauci denies doing something, and then in the very next sentence explaining why they are doing the very thing he denied... As more and more comes out, it just seems like there might be a conflict of interest between who was doing the research in Wuhan, and who is trying to cover up why and where the outbreak occurred in the first place... So it’s kind of like science where the original hypothesis is incorrect so you adjust. Except unlike science Fauci had to deal with science and political pressures as well. How many less deaths would there have been if Fauci said from day 1 it came from a Chinese lab? Is Paul’s (or insert random random name here’s) friend that died from COVID alive today if Fauci said China started the virus? Fauci is a scientist that never in his life expected to be thrust in a political role. If we weren’t in the era of Trump his job wouldn’t have been a political role either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 47 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: So it’s kind of like science where the original hypothesis is incorrect so you adjust. Except unlike science Fauci had to deal with science and political pressures as well. How many less deaths would there have been if Fauci said from day 1 it came from a Chinese lab? Is Paul’s (or insert random random name here’s) friend that died from COVID alive today if Fauci said China started the virus? Fauci is a scientist that never in his life expected to be thrust in a political role. If we weren’t in the era of Trump his job wouldn’t have been a political role either. Not exactly...the info, supposedly, has been around since the beginning of the pandemic, but had been downplayed by Fauci, and censored by big tech...millions of people have been either censored or banned from social media the passed year for even suggesting the things that now appear to be true...(This is why free speech is so important btw)... So, it appears it wasn’t that Fauci was changing with new info, but rather that original info started leaking out, forcing Fauci to change position... I think Fauci, trying to save face, is attempting to make it seem like he is adapting as new info comes out...But, I think, as we can see from the video, he keeps talking himself in circles... This does not vindicate Trump’s failures in any way...but it does implicate Dr. Fauci, and potentially, the US government, along with the CCP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Backintheday544 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 6 hours ago, JaCrispy said: banned from social media the passed year for even suggesting the things that now appear to be true...(This is why free speech is so important so you’re mad a business decides who can or cannot use their services? Isn’t that pretty socialist? You want the government to step in and say hey let these people spread their lies? Fauci isn’t an elected official. He was handcuffed by Trump. I don’t see how anyone can be mad about the job he did. It sucks we had so many people die. We had people here think that people being depressed would lead to more deaths than the virus. They were/are dumbasses. I think if anything this has setup the battle on climate change. We know now we have 30 percent of the US population that are idiots. We have several of them here. But now we know if you throw 500,000 deaths in their face they will still will ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Interesting comments by former FDA Commissioner. I personally made the mistake of assuming it came from a bat as those useless creatures were the origin of MERS and SARS. I'd like to hear from those people that were actually at that meeting. “I didn’t think there was anything remarkable in those emails. I don’t think there was anything that Tony said that expressed any ill intent, and nothing that was new,” Gottlieb replied, saying that there had always been two theories on the origins of the virus — a natural derivation or a leak from a lab — but that there had been little real evidence to support either one. “We have other information now that fits into this picture. The science is one piece of information, but there is a lot of other information that points in the direction that this could have come out of a lab, that we need to have a broader view about the potential risk that this was a lab leak,” Gottlieb continued. Dickerson pressed Gottlieb on that possibility, pointing out the fact that critics have claimed that Fauci had not been entirely forthcoming with regard to the idea that COVID-19 could have originated in a lab. “Well, I was told at that time, back in the spring, that Dr. Fauci had gone over to a meeting of world health leaders in Europe and actually briefed them on the information that they were looking at, that this could have been a potential lab leak, that this strain looked unusual,” Gottlieb replied. “I think early on, when they looked at the strain, they had suspicions. And it takes time to do that analysis, and that dispelled some of those suspicions.” Gottlieb concluded by saying that it was a mistake to only look at the virus from a scientific perspective. “The broader issue is we look at these things through the lens of science, and not necessarily through the lens of national security,” Gottlieb said. “A scientific mindset looks at the virus and the virus’ behavior and draws a conclusion. A national security assessment looks at that and then looks at the behavior of the Chinese government, the behavior of the lab, other evidence around the lab, including the infections we now know took place, and that changes the overall assessment.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: so you’re mad a business decides who can or cannot use their services? Isn’t that pretty socialist? You want the government to step in and say hey let these people spread their lies? Fauci isn’t an elected official. He was handcuffed by Trump. I don’t see how anyone can be mad about the job he did. It sucks we had so many people die. We had people here think that people being depressed would lead to more deaths than the virus. They were/are dumbasses. I think if anything this has setup the battle on climate change. We know now we have 30 percent of the US population that are idiots. We have several of them here. But now we know if you throw 500,000 deaths in their face they will still will ignore it. The issue with social media platforms is they are censoring and suppressing views that don't align with their personal social or political views which contradicts their code of conduct and service agreements with their customers. And hiding behind special privileges the law grants them as "media" companies. They can block and suspend the accounts of a former President but continue to allow groups like the Taliban and Iran's Revolutionary Guard to post comments and ideas about doing harm to American service personal and other issues. So Facebook and Twitter are on board with the idea of killing American service personnel but not on board with the idea that COVID is of man made origin. I suspect their "fact checkers" don't know more about things than you or I. That's their scam. Fauci is hiding the details of the relationship of the NIH, his bag man EcoHealth, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The idea the virus was engineered and escaped containment by infecting researchers due to insufficient safety protocols seems the most likely based on the evidence. Now its just a matter of time before it all comes out as facts are made public. I believe he's finished and the Biden administration will soon cut him loose to avoid any complicity. Update: And evidence and personal connections continue to be revealed which points to several key players inside the Biden Administration are "compromised" by contracts and associations with the CCP and the Chinese Military. At a minimum they are national security threats. Yet the MSM continues to ignore and brush off this story of the century. Why? What financial connections and associations are they hiding? Climate change? Not sure how we got from here to there. I don't have any disagreement with climate change and the impacts. What I disagree with is the solution. The idea that we are going to electrify all applications and uses of fossil fuels primarily through the use of solar panels, batteries, and wind turbines. All without altering our living arrangements and standards of living while supporting 7+Billion humans as we go merrily into the future on some upward slope of social and technological advancement while consuming more and more energy. The entire idea is a dangerous fantasy. We don't need to hear from politicians and so-called environmental activist. We need to hear from engineers, physicists, and geologists because the resources needed to do this just don't exist on this planet. All the minerals need to be found and mined and processed. For example Lithium mining is water intensive. In places with little water, And fresh water is scarce. Does the mineral even exist in the quantifies necessary? And mining is energy intensive. I say show us the numbers that support this solution because what I see is an unachievable solution that cannot support enough seats in lifeboat-Earth for all those 7 billion people much less support growth and progress in any way. The plan of the Davos climate crowd is more for them and less of us "regular" people on the Earth. Edited June 7, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: so you’re mad a business decides who can or cannot use their services? Isn’t that pretty socialist? You want the government to step in and say hey let these people spread their lies? Fauci isn’t an elected official. He was handcuffed by Trump. I don’t see how anyone can be mad about the job he did. It sucks we had so many people die. We had people here think that people being depressed would lead to more deaths than the virus. They were/are dumbasses. I think if anything this has setup the battle on climate change. We know now we have 30 percent of the US population that are idiots. We have several of them here. But now we know if you throw 500,000 deaths in their face they will still will ignore it. The phone company is a business. Would you say the same when AT&T says you can’t watch the Bills games because they overheard you talking to someone about Joe Biden? Come on Man! Edited June 7, 2021 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: so you’re mad a business decides who can or cannot use their services? Isn’t that pretty socialist? You want the government to step in and say hey let these people spread their lies? Fauci isn’t an elected official. He was handcuffed by Trump. I don’t see how anyone can be mad about the job he did. It sucks we had so many people die. We had people here think that people being depressed would lead to more deaths than the virus. They were/are dumbasses. I think if anything this has setup the battle on climate change. We know now we have 30 percent of the US population that are idiots. We have several of them here. But now we know if you throw 500,000 deaths in their face they will still will ignore it. This is the meme that always comes to my mind when I hear crying low mentality lefties. Edited June 7, 2021 by Unforgiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 THAT WORD DOESN’T MEAN WHAT FAUCI THINKS IT DOES: Fauci Spin: Criticism of #FauciEmails Revelations ‘Very Much an Attack on Science’. https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/fauci-spin-criticism-of-fauciemails-revelations-very-much-an-attack-on-science/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, B-Man said: THAT WORD DOESN’T MEAN WHAT FAUCI THINKS IT DOES: Fauci Spin: Criticism of #FauciEmails Revelations ‘Very Much an Attack on Science’. https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/fauci-spin-criticism-of-fauciemails-revelations-very-much-an-attack-on-science/ wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, Unforgiven said: wtf? That is the "approved" response. ‘I believe in science’ has turned into ‘Do not question authority’: EPIC thread embarrasses media and the Left for their obsessive slobbering over Fauci https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/06/07/i-believe-in-science-has-turned-into-i-do-not-question-authority-epic-thread-explains-the-lefts-obsessive-brainwashed-slobbering-over-fauci/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I’M SO OLD, I REMEMBER WHEN ANTHONY FAUCI WAS GOING TO RID US OF THIS MENACE: Four decades of AIDS. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-decades-aids.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, B-Man said: That is the "approved" response. ‘I believe in science’ has turned into ‘Do not question authority’: EPIC thread embarrasses media and the Left for their obsessive slobbering over Fauci https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/06/07/i-believe-in-science-has-turned-into-i-do-not-question-authority-epic-thread-explains-the-lefts-obsessive-brainwashed-slobbering-over-fauci/ Sorry, but I slobber over no man...😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 21 hours ago, B-Man said: That is the "approved" response. ‘I believe in science’ has turned into ‘Do not question authority’: EPIC thread embarrasses media and the Left for their obsessive slobbering over Fauci https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/06/07/i-believe-in-science-has-turned-into-i-do-not-question-authority-epic-thread-explains-the-lefts-obsessive-brainwashed-slobbering-over-fauci/ We might want to get an explanation why Biden canceled the State Departments Lab origin investigation shortly after he took office. Was he directed to do this by his Chinese handlers? Why did he ignore this assessment from 2020? (requires WSJ subscription) "According to the report, US allies have been providing evidence since the beginning of the pandemic. Australia, a member of the so-called Five Eyes partnership which also includes Britain, Canada and New Zealand, has strongly promoted the lab-leak theory. And while US intelligence agencies are reportedly coming together "around the two likely scenarios," a former State Department official says the evidence to support the natural origin theory is virtually non-existent." "We were finding that despite the claims of our scientific community, including the National Institutes of Health and Dr. Fauci's NIAID organization, there was almost no evidence that supported a natural, zoonotic evolution or source of COVID-19," said former State Department official David Asher in a statement to Fox News. "The data disproportionately stacked up as we investigated that it was coming out of a lab or some supernatural source." https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-report-concluded-covid-19-may-have-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-11623106982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 On 6/6/2021 at 7:41 PM, Backintheday544 said: So it’s kind of like science where the original hypothesis is incorrect so you adjust. Except unlike science Fauci had to deal with science and political pressures as well. How many less deaths would there have been if Fauci said from day 1 it came from a Chinese lab? Is Paul’s (or insert random random name here’s) friend that died from COVID alive today if Fauci said China started the virus? Fauci is a scientist that never in his life expected to be thrust in a political role. If we weren’t in the era of Trump his job wouldn’t have been a political role either. You have several misconceptions based because you don't realize how much the press worries more about the narrative than facts. Fauci is a politician first and a scientist second and that has been true for at least a decade. He has legitimate credentials but his actions have been political for a long time. Second the "natural creation" theory was a political decision because there still is no evidence it was natural and he knew we were running Sars testing in that lab and it had a history of leaks and problems. No rationale person takes all the available info last March and says that it is most likely natural much less state it is a conspiracy theory and debunked to state it started in the lab. Lastly, and this is speculation, if we admitted it started in a lab and we forced China to give up all of the known info so we were starting a good position on the vaccine. I actually want to make it clear your statements here are well thought out but I think you believe the media wants facts not narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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