Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Matakevich played 343 special teams snaps, according to Pro Football Reference, and that was 76% of our special teams snaps. Doing the math shows gets us 451.315 special teams snaps, either 451 or 452. The defense had either 1070 or 1071 snaps, and the offense 1086 or 1087. So the STs had about 42% of the number of snaps that the offense had. And took up about 5% of the cap. This isn't a problem. The Matakevich play where they hit an onside kick during the middle of the game, and Matakevich was our only player not caught flat-footed, and he made the play was a beautiful example of why you need guys like this. It didn't show up in the stats, one kick return for zero yards, but it was crucial in that Pats game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 36 minutes ago, Ponch said: Who kicked your dog? Taiwan Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 When this team returns a kick to take the lead in the Super Bowl next year he’s gonna feel embarrassed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/20/2021 at 3:36 AM, KingBoots8 said: You say this until a music city miracle happens to you. Yup. STs are never important ... until they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: Lol I only did it because, as the quote goes, “those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.” id rather invest a little bit more into ST to ensure we have the right people to avoid that happening again. I am with ya and think the OP is overreacting completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/18/2021 at 6:33 PM, pennstate10 said: It's not 1/3 of the game. Thats like saying Canada has 1/3 the population of North America. It doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Matakevich played 343 special teams snaps, according to Pro Football Reference, and that was 76% of our special teams snaps. Doing the math shows gets us 451.315 special teams snaps, either 451 or 452. The defense had either 1070 or 1071 snaps, and the offense 1086 or 1087. So the STs had about 42% of the number of snaps that the offense had. And took up about 5% of the cap. This isn't a problem. The Matakevich play where they hit an onside kick during the middle of the game, and Matakevich was our only player not caught flat-footed, and he made the play was a beautiful example of why you need guys like this. It didn't show up in the stats, one kick return for zero yards, but it was crucial in that Pats game. In other words, STs contributed to ~20% of the total snaps we played. We waste cap space and roster spots on players that are dedicated STers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: In other words, STs contributed to ~20% of the total snaps we played. We waste cap space and roster spots on players that are dedicated STers Yeah, and in more other words, the offense contributed to about 40% of the total snaps we played. Clearly we waste cap space on these guys as they don't even play a majority of the snaps. Sorry, man, your argument is dumb. When STs guys play about 20% of the snaps, scoring most of the points and having a major impact on special teams, and you're paying less than 5% of the cap money, that's a bargain, not a waste. Edited March 22, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, and in more other words, the offense contributed to about 40% of the total snaps we played. Clearly we waste cap space on these guys as they don't even play a majority of the snaps. Sorry, man, your argument is dumb. When STs guys play about 20% of the snaps, scoring most of the points and having a major impact on special teams, and you're paying less than 5% of the cap money, that's a bargain, not a waste. Scoring most of the points??? In what universe is Taiwan and the boys scoring most of the points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, FireChans said: In other words, STs contributed to ~20% of the total snaps we played. We waste cap space and roster spots on players that are dedicated STers Listen. The only guy on the team that you could argue was only signed this off season for special teams is Taiwan Jones. One player. Matakevitch showed last year he's a decent backup LB, Neal is a good 6th DB in addition to being a beats on ST. To rant about essentially one player who is really good on ST is ridiculous. Put another way, when you're the only person who claims 2 + 2 = 5, and everyone else shows you that 2 + 2 = 4 and give you the reasons why, you might want to listen instead of howling at the moon that it's 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekills17 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, FireChans said: In other words, STs contributed to ~20% of the total snaps we played. We waste cap space and roster spots on players that are dedicated STers That math would say we should spend 20% of the cap space and roster on ST if we're using your analogy. Most here who disagree with you and feel ST emphasis *is* important don't advocate for that much money. Who's side are you on anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, timekills17 said: That math would say we should spend 20% of the cap space and roster on ST if we're using your analogy. Most here who disagree with you and feel ST emphasis *is* important don't advocate for that much money. Who's side are you on anyway? The winning side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 ST accounted for 141 kicking points and a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: ST accounted for 141 kicking points and a TD. Every team has to field a kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, and in more other words, the offense contributed to about 40% of the total snaps we played. Clearly we waste cap space on these guys as they don't even play a majority of the snaps. Sorry, man, your argument is dumb. When STs guys play about 20% of the snaps, scoring most of the points and having a major impact on special teams, and you're paying less than 5% of the cap money, that's a bargain, not a waste. C’mon. Of those 20 percent of ST plays, more than half (kickoff touchbacks on both sides of the ball, xps on both sides of the ball, gimme fgs on both sides of the ball) have outcomes that are basically predetermined before the snap. If there is a missed kick on the xp or short fg, that’s pretty much all on the kicker and the matakeviches of the world have zero effect on the outcome. I am not saying ST is unimportant at all, but let’s not exaggerate. Edited March 22, 2021 by dave mcbride 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 14 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Matakevich played 343 special teams snaps, according to Pro Football Reference, and that was 76% of our special teams snaps. Doing the math shows gets us 451.315 special teams snaps, either 451 or 452. The defense had either 1070 or 1071 snaps, and the offense 1086 or 1087. So the STs had about 42% of the number of snaps that the offense had. And took up about 5% of the cap. This isn't a problem. The Matakevich play where they hit an onside kick during the middle of the game, and Matakevich was our only player not caught flat-footed, and he made the play was a beautiful example of why you need guys like this. It didn't show up in the stats, one kick return for zero yards, but it was crucial in that Pats game. That's over 20 snaps a gm that number seems a little high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, BillsFan1988 said: That's over 20 snaps a gm that number seems a little high. There are a lot of extra point plays in a 35-28 game. That's nine alone, plus there also another 11 kickoffs (9 scores plus the 2 half openers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, dave mcbride said: There are a lot of extra point plays in a 35-28 game. That's nine alone, plus there also another 11 kickoffs (9 scores plus the 2 half openers). Punts as well. But those blocking units really don't affect the gm most st players can handle those plays with ease. Matekavish gets more then our kicker and punter combined I think that's too much. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Every team has to field a kicker. Every team also has special teamers who predominantly do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytownblofan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 hours ago, FireChans said: In other words, STs contributed to ~20% of the total snaps we played. We waste cap space and roster spots on players that are dedicated STers Ok, so lets take the $ aspect out of it and look at purely roster numbers. 11 starters on offense 11 starters on defense So 22 total starters. Now, lets give each position a backup, we are at 44 players of 53. Add in kicker, LS, and Punter, 47. That leaves 6 players left on the 53. I'll even grant a 3rd qb. So 5 players left that are not starters or backups. What should those 5 players excel at in order to earn a roster spot? The easy and clear answer is special teams. Why roster 5 guys that are not going to see the field on O or D and have no value on teams? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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