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Doc Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: My guess is that it was probably chaos and they may not have realized exactly what was going on. Plus, they may have been worried that some of the people were armed and opening fire would result in a firefight with a lot of potential for fatalities. Even if they took non-lethal action, they were so outnumbered it wouldn’t do much aside from endanger their own lives. 52 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Hindsight, they didn't have a clue at the time. This is conjecture but we'll find out. The boots on the ground didn't make that decision to just finally let people in. That came from much higher up. Do you think we'll find out from where? Don't hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Doc said: The boots on the ground didn't make that decision to just finally let people in. That came from much higher up. Do you think we'll find out from where? Don't hold your breath. You’re making assumptions here and I think it would just be better to see what they found. Edited June 18, 2022 by ChiGoose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Doc said: The boots on the ground didn't make that decision to just finally let people in. That came from much higher up. Do you think we'll find out from where? Don't hold your breath. Ask your pathetic savior DJT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, DRsGhost said: And that video I linked to above I 100% guarantee you will not be part of the story. You can't have it both ways and call it an insurrection and the most violent attack on our democracy since the Civil War and also show videos like that and others. The qanon shaman is one of the poster boys for the "violent insurrection" and then you watch that video.... Im sorry, it does not compute. Quite the conundrum indeed. How does it not compute? Some that were there were peaceful and along for the ride others, oathkeepers and proud twatz had a more sinister agenda. It's not that difficult. A lot of detail still needs to be provided, certainly why more security wasn't present. Edited June 18, 2022 by L Ron Burgundy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andy1 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 It was amazing the the Capital police had such restraint and didn’t use their firearms other than in the tragic death of that woman. There could have been many more casualties than there were. Use of their firearms certainly could have been justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, L Ron Burgundy said: How does it not compute? Some that were there were peaceful and along for the ride others, oathkeepers and proud twatz had a more sinister agenda. It's not that difficult. A lot of detail still needs to be provided, certainly why more security wasn't present. So if the committee does not examine on why extra support was denied then you agree it is worthless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: So if the committee does not examine on why extra support was denied then you agree it is worthless? No, absolutely not. Debunking all the absurd election insanity made it all worth it. Should they examine that one facet? Absolutely. There seems to be this prevailing idea that because most people were peaceful the whole event wasn't a big deal. Imagine if Pence doesn't do the right thing...terrible things may have happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Imagine if antifa or some left wing crazies did Jan 6. You think all the conservatives here would be doing gymnastics to stick up for them? You think there'd be 700 conspiracy theories about "what really happened "? Yikes you do everything to minimize, defend, deflect all the while saying prosecute those that broke laws....then some (most believe this i suspect) give innuendo that the fbi is somehow to blame. Ya'll sound like ya belong in qanon. Maybe those space lasers, sorry Jewish space lasers, are more powerful than everyone thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 10 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: How does it not compute? Some that were there were peaceful and along for the ride others, oathkeepers and proud twatz had a more sinister agenda. It's not that difficult. A lot of detail still needs to be provided, certainly why more security wasn't present. Ok. So then maybe the rhetoric of it being the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War was just a smidgen overblown? Jumping to crazy conclusions just a bit? Also, any comment on why the FBI was unable to thwart the dangerous Proud Boys when they had at least one informant in their midst that day texting the FBI real time updates as they marched towards the Capitol? They knew they were coming to stage a coup and the friggin FBI couldn't thwart it? Please. Let's talk about that Nebraska ocean front property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, DRsGhost said: Ok. So then maybe the rhetoric of it being the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War was just a smidgen overblown? Jumping to crazy conclusions just a bit? Also, any comment on why the FBI was unable to thwart the dangerous Proud Boys when they had at least one informant in their midst that day texting the FBI real time updates as they marched towards the Capitol? They knew they were coming to stage a coup and the friggin FBI couldn't thwart it? Please. Let's talk about that Nebraska ocean front property. You’re the one jumping to conclusions all the time, here. We have a bunch of people saying essentially “let’s see what the committee has” and you’re out here implying the FBI was in on it and that you already know everything they are going to present all while castigating others for jumping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: You’re the one jumping to conclusions all the time, here. We have a bunch of people saying essentially “let’s see what the committee has” and you’re out here implying the FBI was in on it and that you already know everything they are going to present all while castigating others for jumping to conclusions. Mmmhmm. Again, any comment on "The Old Gray Lady" reporting on at least one FBI informant being present with the proud boys in DC as they were in the pre-process of an insurrection? Or are you waiting on the committee to tell you why the FBI could be so spectacularly incompetent? It's on you if you're going to wait for a partisan sham committee to tell you what to think before "jumping to conclusions" I don't give a rats ass what this sham committee says. It ain't working dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 40 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: Mmmhmm. Again, any comment on "The Old Gray Lady" reporting on at least one FBI informant being present with the proud boys in DC as they were in the pre-process of an insurrection? Or are you waiting on the committee to tell you why the FBI could be so spectacularly incompetent? It's on you if you're going to wait for a partisan sham committee to tell you what to think before "jumping to conclusions" I don't give a rats ass what this sham committee says. It ain't working dude. Here ya go: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/25/us/politics/capitol-riot-fbi-informant.html Only Republicans have testified before the committee. The real divider isn’t between Dems and the GOP, it’s between who will testify under oath and who won’t. The people who agree with you are all lying so they won’t testify. And when they do, they either say different things than they do in public or they plead the fifth. Because they are lying to you. And they know it. And you obviously care about the committee because you are spending so much time here on PPP talking about it. You’re game is weak as hell, man. Just give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 10 hours ago, Andy1 said: It was amazing the the Capital police had such restraint and didn’t use their firearms other than in the tragic death of that woman. There could have been many more casualties than there were. Use of their firearms certainly could have been justified. You know, I look at this differently. The reason the officers let them in, and the reason only one overzealous officer fired his weapon, is because when they were up close and personal they realized this group was NOT out to ‘overthrow democracy’. After talking to them, seeing their lack of weapons, and understanding their general demeanor etc the officers discerned that the entire point of the day’s events was to tell their government that these voting citizens were ‘mad as hell and they weren’t going to take it anymore’….to quote Norman Beal. The entire rest of the narrative ( on both sides of the aisle) is the typical partisan spin. But that’s just my unemotional two cents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Imagine if antifa or some left wing crazies did Jan 6. You think all the conservatives here would be doing gymnastics to stick up for them? You think there'd be 700 conspiracy theories about "what really happened "? Yikes you do everything to minimize, defend, deflect all the while saying prosecute those that broke laws....then some (most believe this i suspect) give innuendo that the fbi is somehow to blame. Ya'll sound like ya belong in qanon. Maybe those space lasers, sorry Jewish space lasers, are more powerful than everyone thought. (Again) You mean like liberals and the riots during the Summer of 2020, which were exponentially more destructive and had longer-lasting ramifications than J6? I can tell you with 100% certainty that what happened on J6 won't ever happen again, but I can't come close to doing the same for our cities burning and crime getting under control. And please, no one here is defending the violence and law-breaking that occurred that day. It shouldn't have happened, period, regardless of what many of us think about how insecure the 2020 election was. I hope this settles this claim once and for all. The problem you guys have is that without it being directed by Trump/Republicans, all you have is a mostly peaceful protest that turned violent, but with no coordination and no threat to democracy. But you've been fed a narrative that plays on your feelz, and those are the hardest things to change one's mind about and/or you realize that Joke has been a disaster as POTUS and things are quickly turning back in the Repubs' favor so you need to use whatever you can to stave-off what's coming. Edited June 19, 2022 by Doc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 ABC News: 6 in 10 Americans say Trump should be charged for Jan. 6 riot Get em 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Here ya go: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/25/us/politics/capitol-riot-fbi-informant.html Only Republicans have testified before the committee. The real divider isn’t between Dems and the GOP, it’s between who will testify under oath and who won’t. The people who agree with you are all lying so they won’t testify. And when they do, they either say different things than they do in public or they plead the fifth. Because they are lying to you. And they know it. And you obviously care about the committee because you are spending so much time here on PPP talking about it. You’re game is weak as hell, man. Just give it up. So you're going with the FBI is incompetent then. Im shocked. The FBI, the world's premier law enforcement agency, knows the plans of a dangerous group of unarmed "insurrectionists" ahead of time, yet they were powerless to stop them from marching to the Capitol in the first place, then breach the restricted area and finally against all odds actually break into the Capitol? How about $5MM for that oceanfront Nebraska property? You have no game. Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 We need to hear testimony from the leadership of all relevant law enforcement agencies to really understand the failure that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 40 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: So you're going with the FBI is incompetent then. Im shocked. The FBI, the world's premier law enforcement agency, knows the plans of a dangerous group of unarmed "insurrectionists" ahead of time, yet they were powerless to stop them from marching to the Capitol in the first place, then breach the restricted area and finally against all odds actually break into the Capitol? How about $5MM for that oceanfront Nebraska property? You have no game. Zero. I’m going with: I don’t know the answers and hope the committee addresses them. Since one of the teams on the committee was tasked specifically for this, we should expect them to give us info on it and call them out if they don’t. Your story seems to be that you already know everything the committee has and you believe the positions of people you know are lying to you because it aligns to your worldview and anyone who disagrees is a shill. Once again, you’re just jumping to conclusions based on what you want to see and what people who *you know are lying to you* are telling you. Spending a lot of time talking about something you say you don’t care about. You can prove you don’t care by just logging off and letting the adults have a conversation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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