When Do Congressional Republicans Grow a Collective "Pair" and Stand Up to the Snowflake-in-Chief?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 11/16/2020 at 7:13 PM, Muppy said:

I wish he would admit there was no fraud but I would bet money (and Im not usually a gambler) Id bet he will never concede he lost fairly. I dont think his ego would allow it. And secondly he has his sycophants in his ear telling him that because it truly is what he wants to hear and believe wether it is true or not. He won't put the country first he wants to keep his base supporters thinking he was robbed so he can use them in a 2025 presidential run to restore the perceived wrong. 

no way he ever runs again. 

[WideNine]

On 11/17/2020 at 6:26 AM, Iron Maiden said:

Yes it is....but I  do not remember Hillary filing dozens of silly suits knowing it would not change the results....I don't remember Hillary tweeting that the election was rigged....and, from all we know so far, Trump lost by a much wider margin.....I don't remember Obama stopping Trump's team to begin the transition process.....What Trump is doing right now is really bad for our country....everyone knows it...some can't admit it ..

 

The Clinton campaign itself did not file suits, but they did sign on to suits brought by the Green Party.

 

I was fact-checked on this by another poster who had some credibility and he or she was right.

 

BUT, I would argue that it was not comparable to this effort to undermine an election result with the social media propaganda, it did not preclude Clinton from formally congratulating Trump on his win, it was not used as a justification to withhold the transition process and information flow to the President elect.

 

My opinion is that signing on to that lawsuit was just a way to vet close results; which could have been the messaging from the Trump campaign sans all the irresponsible conspiracy messaging and attacks against our democratic voting institutions.

 

 

 

[jrober38]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

no way he ever runs again. 

 

I disagree. He'll have a cake walk into being the nominee and is such an egomaniac he'll probably run again. 

 

If GOP rivals won't challenge him now, they know they have no chance against him for the nomination.

 

He could theoretically be the de facto GOP nominee for the next four years without anyone challenging him. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

I disagree. He'll have a cake walk into being the nominee and is such an egomaniac he'll probably run again. 

 

If GOP rivals won't challenge him now, they know they have no chance against him for the nomination.

 

He could theoretically be the de facto GOP nominee for the next four years without anyone challenging him. 

don’t see it. That same ego couldn’t handle running again and losing again. It’s not his MO. 
 

walk away claiming it’s rigged and blame that also as the reason he’s never participating in political system again.  
 
it aligns with how he operates. 

[jrober38]

8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

don’t see it. That same ego couldn’t handle running again and losing again. It’s not his MO. 
 

walk away claiming it’s rigged and blame that also as the reason he’s never participating in political system again.  
 
it aligns with how he operates. 

 

He's a sociopath and a narcissist. 

 

He doesn't think like a normal person.

 

He's completely humiliated by his defeat and will do whatever it takes to right what he thinks was a rigged election against him. 

Edited November 18, 2020 by jrober38

[wnyguy]

Look, just like it was "mostly peaceful protests" this was a "mostly legal election", right? I hope if Trump loses legally that he does run again, we need to eliminate the corruption that exists in both partys.

[TBBills]

32 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Look, just like it was "mostly peaceful protests" this was a "mostly legal election", right? I hope if Trump loses legally that he does run again, we need to eliminate the corruption that exists in both partys.

Trump is the definition of corruption though... so that makes no sense. Everything he has touched has been rippled with corruption one way or another. Who fires as many people as he does? He hires someone and the second they don't want to be in his pocket he fires them. Build a wall... whoops full of corruption, back accounts in China(Where is the hunter biden laptop...evidence got lost in the mail?)

 

Trump telling republicans not to vote by mail b.c even back then he had a plan to try this bull#### and it didn't work b/c right now the law still holds true above corruption. Government has already talked about a peaceful transition no matter what Trump tries. He creates unrest in his tweets to the point Twitter has to put warnings on b.c some people believe that stuff he tweets about. It's doesn't work b.c now another conspiracy pops up to add onto the first one.

 

It's is a funny backwoods cycle that you cannot do anything but push ahead with the future and at least realize the larger population as a whole is still smarter than those who have been brainwashed into extremism of thoughts.

[wnyguy]

Rippled with corruption? He has fired a lot of people he himself appointed but was it because they weren't in his pocket or was it that he simply could not trust them to take a stand against the established corruption that has been going on in this country since forever? Trump is not a politician, of that there is no doubt, that just means he is not beholden to contractors, corporations, companies, foreign countries or any entity that does not put America first.

 

Where is the Hunter laptop is a great question. the proof of Biden family corruption was ignored by the MSM and the left. You would think that everyone who even thought the possibility of graft and kickbacks and payoffs might, just might, make you wonder if Joe Biden is fit to be the President of this great nation.

 

Bring up Trumps China bank account, one he made years before running for Office. One he closed himself before running for Office. The point is moot.

 

No one is brainwashed into extremism except those rioters and looters on the left that took over and burned cities. Do you see Trump supporters rioting? Looting? Burning businesses or government buildings? C'mon, man.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

He's a sociopath and a narcissist. 

 

He doesn't think like a normal person.

 

He's completely humiliated by his defeat and will do whatever it takes to right what he thinks was a rigged election against him. 

Yes he is all those thing, you also just described more politicians than not, unfortunately. 
 

BUT, looking at his pattern I will  proactively give you his tweet now: 

 

“Everyone tells me they want me to run in 2024 and would win in a yuge landslide never seen before. Which is true! Should I run, maybe because I’d get more votes that anyone ever. But the fake media and same rigged election people from 2020 will never let it happen because witch hunt... I am walking away a winner and the greatest president in history of any country anywhere”

 

Edited November 18, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[jrober38]

23 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yes he is all those thing, you also just described more politicians than not, unfortunately. 
 

BUT, looking at his pattern I will  proactively give you his tweet now: 

 

“Everyone tells me they want me to run in 2024 and would win in a yuge landslide never seen before. Which is true! Should I run, maybe because I’d get more votes that anyone ever. But the fake media and same rigged election people from 2020 will never let it happen because witch hunt... I am walking away a winner and the greatest president in history of any country anywhere”

 

 

I don't see it.

 

I'm not even sure he's peacefully going to leave in January.

 

Admitting defeat would go against everything he stands for.

[TBBills]

41 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Rippled with corruption? He has fired a lot of people he himself appointed but was it because they weren't in his pocket or was it that he simply could not trust them to take a stand against the established corruption that has been going on in this country since forever? Trump is not a politician, of that there is no doubt, that just means he is not beholden to contractors, corporations, companies, foreign countries or any entity that does not put America first.

 

Where is the Hunter laptop is a great question. the proof of Biden family corruption was ignored by the MSM and the left. You would think that everyone who even thought the possibility of graft and kickbacks and payoffs might, just might, make you wonder if Joe Biden is fit to be the President of this great nation.

 

Bring up Trumps China bank account, one he made years before running for Office. One he closed himself before running for Office. The point is moot.

 

No one is brainwashed into extremism except those rioters and looters on the left that took over and burned cities. Do you see Trump supporters rioting? Looting? Burning businesses or government buildings? C'mon, man.

No it's b.c they wouldn't do his corrupt things.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't see it.

 

I'm not even sure he's peacefully going to leave in January.

 

Admitting defeat would go against everything he stands for.

Admitting defeat isn’t part of this at all. It’s all about constructing the narrative as to why he’s too good for the job and Joe is losing by taking the job as his successor as well as making sure he gets credit for vaccine. But we shall see. 

[Iron Maiden]

43 minutes ago, TBBills said:

No it's b.c they wouldn't do his corrupt things.

 

He literally just fired someone ( who he picked ) because they would not lie for him. It could not be clearer....The dictator "wanna be" was such a mistake....The GOP needs cleansing....

[Warcodered]

On 11/18/2020 at 12:04 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yes he is all those thing, you also just described more politicians than not, unfortunately. 
 

BUT, looking at his pattern I will  proactively give you his tweet now: 

 

“Everyone tells me they want me to run in 2024 and would win in a yuge landslide never seen before. Which is true! Should I run, maybe because I’d get more votes that anyone ever. But the fake media and same rigged election people from 2020 will never let it happen because witch hunt... I am walking away a winner and the greatest president in history of any country anywhere”

 

I mean I can see you being right but at the same time I don't think he planned on winning the 1st time so I don't know he might do it again.

Edited November 19, 2020 by Warcodered

[SoTier]

On 11/18/2020 at 10:10 AM, jrober38 said:

 

Trump is a want to be dictator.

 

If he said I'm not leaving, arrested Biden and said we're not doing elections anymore, few of his supporters would care. 

 

They would cheer.    They were chanting "Lock her up" in reference to Michigan Governor Whitmer at one of Covid Donnie's rallies in Michigan while Trump preened like a peacock.

 

 

On 11/18/2020 at 12:04 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

don’t see it. That same ego couldn’t handle running again and losing again. It’s not his MO. 
 

walk away claiming it’s rigged and blame that also as the reason he’s never participating in political system again.  
 
it aligns with how he operates. 

 

I agree with your assessment of Trump's mentality and why he's not likely to run in 2024.   A narcissistic sociopath like Trump will always blame somebody/something for any loss and make sure that he doesn't suffer a similar loss in the future by avoiding a similar situation.   Trump will, however, probably continue to hold the GOP hostage for as long as his health and money hold out. 

[Tiberius]

36 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

They would cheer.    They were chanting "Lock her up" in reference to Michigan Governor Whitmer at one of Covid Donnie's rallies in Michigan while Trump preened like a peacock.

 

 

 

I agree with your assessment of Trump's mentality and why he's not likely to run in 2024.   A narcissistic sociopath like Trump will always blame somebody/something for any loss and make sure that he doesn't suffer a similar loss in the future by avoiding a similar situation.   Trump will, however, probably continue to hold the GOP hostage for as long as his health and money hold out. 

Or his popularity 

[TBBills]

On 11/18/2020 at 2:04 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Everyone tells me they want me to run in 2024 and would win in a yuge landslide never seen before. Which is true! Should I run, maybe because I’d get more votes that anyone ever. But the fake media and same rigged election people from 2020 will never let it happen because witch hunt... I am walking away a winner and the greatest president in history of any country anywhere

Talk about a guy who is full of himself... I don't know if the republicans would let him run on behalf of them. He might have to reopen a third party.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Or his popularity 

 

This, too.  I think nothing that Trump does or says is likely to dim his light for his Cultists --- there were still many "true believers" in Hitler to the very bitter end with the Red Army in the suburbs of Berlin -- but not all of the 73+ million Americans who voted for Trump are cultists, and they may very well walk away from him for a variety of reasons.  Trump is going to face some serious legal issues once he's out of office, including possible criminal cases in New York by both the State AG and the Manhattan DA, as well as civil cases involving.  He might skip the country to avoid prosecution or lawsuits.  He could end up in prison if convicted on criminal charges. 

 

I think that Trump's behavior since the election isn't going to stand him in good stead going forward, either.   While Congressional Republicans are afraid of him, a number of Republican governors/state officials have broken with him because his mishandling of the coronavirus epidemic has dumped a supertanker full of trouble on their states while he ignores the pandemic to pursue blatantly frivolous lawsuits, settle scores with "traitors" in his own administration, and impede the transition.    The parting image that most Americans, even Republicans, may remember best about Donald Trump is that of him golfing while the pandemic steamrolled across the country.  Not a good look. 

Edited November 19, 2020 by SoTier

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

43 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Talk about a guy who is full of himself... I don't know if the republicans would let him run on behalf of them. He might have to reopen a third party.

so I did a good impression? Ready for SNL? 

[Unforgiven]

 No comic book reader or any conservatives are reading this...

The projection of the dimwit libs to call anyone on the right a snowflake

is hysterical, and clearly shows a deep mental deficit.

Own something for once. It's ok that this is what you guys are.

 

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

 No comic book reader or any conservatives are reading this...

The projection of the dimwit libs to call anyone on the right a snowflake

is hysterical, and clearly shows a deep mental deficit.

Own something for once. It's ok that this is what you guys are.

 

Safe Space's symbol is a bowling ball?

[oldmanfan]

My impression is the first Republican with presidential aspirations who calls out Trump and his sycophants will have the inside track to the nomination in 2024.  I view Trump as MacArthur during the Korean War.  He was hailed as the national hero, and was so egocentric that when he defied the Commander in Chief and Truman fired him, it was widely assumed he'd be the next President.  He was hailed a joint session of Congress, even referred to as God by some sycophants.  And then he went on his national tour, where it became readily apparent to even his supporters that he was a nut case.

 

Trump is a nut case.  Eventually nut cases become so unhinged that they show themselves to be unworthy of political office.  Trump will fade into the night over the next year or two, and those Republicans who are rational and actually behave like a Republican will be favored.

 

Plus Trump will likely be doing his ranting from jail, as I expect NYS and/or the Southern District to indict him for various crimes shortly after January 20. 

[jrober38]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

My impression is the first Republican with presidential aspirations who calls out Trump and his sycophants will have the inside track to the nomination in 2024.  I view Trump as MacArthur during the Korean War.  He was hailed as the national hero, and was so egocentric that when he defied the Commander in Chief and Truman fired him, it was widely assumed he'd be the next President.  He was hailed a joint session of Congress, even referred to as God by some sycophants.  And then he went on his national tour, where it became readily apparent to even his supporters that he was a nut case.

 

Trump is a nut case.  Eventually nut cases become so unhinged that they show themselves to be unworthy of political office.  Trump will fade into the night over the next year or two, and those Republicans who are rational and actually behave like a Republican will be favored.

 

Plus Trump will likely be doing his ranting from jail, as I expect NYS and/or the Southern District to indict him for various crimes shortly after January 20. 

 

I disagree.

 

Trump is going to run again. Anyone who speaks out against him will ruin their political career on the national stage. 

 

Trump will cakewalk his way to the nomination in 4 years. No one will cross him until they know what his intentions are.

 

There's already talk of his daughter in law running for senator to "test the waters" in North Carolina in two years. 

[SoTier]

10 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I disagree.

 

Trump is going to run again. Anyone who speaks out against him will ruin their political career on the national stage. 

 

Trump will cakewalk his way to the nomination in 4 years. No one will cross him until they know what his intentions are.

 

There's already talk of his daughter in law running for senator to "test the waters" in North Carolina in two years. 

 

Donnie and Baby Trump Ivanka are likely to be too busy fighting off criminal investigations in New York to launch much of a campaign for a couple of years at least.   There were more subpoenas issued today about Trump's tax rewrite offs.

[Tiberius]

5 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

My impression is the first Republican with presidential aspirations who calls out Trump and his sycophants will have the inside track to the nomination in 2024.  I view Trump as MacArthur during the Korean War.  He was hailed as the national hero, and was so egocentric that when he defied the Commander in Chief and Truman fired him, it was widely assumed he'd be the next President.  He was hailed a joint session of Congress, even referred to as God by some sycophants.  And then he went on his national tour, where it became readily apparent to even his supporters that he was a nut case.

 

Trump is a nut case.  Eventually nut cases become so unhinged that they show themselves to be unworthy of political office.  Trump will fade into the night over the next year or two, and those Republicans who are rational and actually behave like a Republican will be favored.

 

Plus Trump will likely be doing his ranting from jail, as I expect NYS and/or the Southern District to indict him for various crimes shortly after January 20. 

But we have said this since 2015! And it was true then as it is now, but the cult is still the cult 

[jrober38]

55 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Donnie and Baby Trump Ivanka are likely to be too busy fighting off criminal investigations in New York to launch much of a campaign for a couple of years at least.   There were more subpoenas issued today about Trump's tax rewrite offs.

 

I'm convinced that Trump is desperately trying to hold on to power because it'll be the only thing that keeps him or his kids out of prison. 

 

I think they know what's waiting for them at the Southern District of NY, and they know it's not going to work out well for them. 

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm convinced that Trump is desperately trying to hold on to power because it'll be the only thing that keeps him or his kids out of prison. 

 

I think they know what's waiting for them at the Southern District of NY, and they know it's not going to work out well for them. 

 

Trump doesn't care about his kids any more than he cares for anybody or anything not named Donald J Trump.  He uses them just as he's uses anybody and anything to get whatever he wants.

 

It's the way narcissistic sociopaths are.

[jrober38]

5 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Trump doesn't care about his kids any more than he cares for anybody or anything not named Donald J Trump.  He uses them just as he's uses anybody and anything to get whatever he wants.

 

It's the way narcissistic sociopaths are.

 

I disagree, regarding Ivanka.

 

I think they have some real daddy/daughter issues. 

The sons are just pawns. 

 

The tax issues seem to stem from paying Ivanka and writing off those payments. 

 

People have gone to jail for doing that. 

[SoTier]

10 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

I disagree, regarding Ivanka.

 

I think they have some real daddy/daughter issues. 

 

 

The tax issues seem to stem from paying Ivanka and writing off those payments.

The sons are just pawns.

 

People have gone to jail for doing that. 

 

I agree that Ivanka is more independent than her brothers, but I don't think that Trump cares enough for her to sacrifice anything for her.   He's not a normal person much less a normal parent.   Former Erie County, NY County Executive and ex-Congressman Chris Collins took a plea bargain and is serving prison time for insider trading in exchange for his son not being tried on similar charges.   Trump would see all his children go to jail, including Barron, rather than inconvenience himself or put his ego aside.

[Tiberius]

CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” summed up the state of the Republican Party on Sunday: “State election officials and judges throughout the country are serving as protectors of our democracy at a time when, frankly, Republican leaders in Washington, D.C., are failing miserably at the job, as are administration officials who have proven willing to degrade themselves, to serve the president’s brittle spirit instead of the Constitution and the American people.”

[DrDawkinstein]

 

[GaryPinC]

On 11/20/2020 at 12:49 PM, jrober38 said:

 

I disagree.

 

Trump is going to run again. Anyone who speaks out against him will ruin their political career on the national stage. 

 

Trump will cakewalk his way to the nomination in 4 years. No one will cross him until they know what his intentions are.

 

There's already talk of his daughter in law running for senator to "test the waters" in North Carolina in two years. 

I think Trump leaving office is a big key to settling the country down as he was purposely divisive and the MSM also helped stoke that.

 

Once gone, it'll become apparent that while he wanted to drain the swamp, he lives in his own swamp which he would have installed.  

 

Enough of us middle folk and a number of right folks I talked to realize his communication style is toxic, his nepotism and constant hirings/firings just point to his host of other problems that will make him unfit.  He was just a better option than Hillary, nothing more.

 

Trump is toast, I guess we'll see if they actually run Ivanka but I would view her just like Hillary when she became a senator for no real reason other than her husband.

[WideNine]

It would be one thing if folks that supported Trump took a moment to reflect and understand what the term "demagogue" means - they could literally remove the text and insert a picture of Trump.

 

Demagogue:

 

A demagogue /ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/ (from Greek δημαγωγός, a popular leader, a leader of a mob, from δῆμος, people, populace, the commons + ἀγωγός leading, leader)^[1] or rabble-rouser^[2][3] in contemporary usage is a leader who gains popularity by exploiting emotions, prejudice, hatred, and ignorance to arouse the common people against elites, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned deliberation.^[1][4] 

 

Demagogues overturn established norms of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so.^[5] Demagogues frequently present themselves as populists, to the point where "populism" itself has now acquired a negative connotation.

 

Historian Reinhard Luthin defined demagogue as "...a politician skilled in oratory, flattery and invective; evasive in discussing vital issues; promising everything to everybody; appealing to the passions rather than the reason of the public; and arousing racial, religious, and class prejudices – a man whose lust for power without recourse to principle leads him to seek to become a master of the masses. He has for centuries practiced his profession of 'man of the people'. He is a product of a political tradition nearly as old as western civilization itself."^[6]

 

Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens, where the word did not originally have a negative connotation. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, it is possible for the people to give that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population.^[7] Demagogues usually advocate immediate, forceful action to address a crisis while accusing moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness or disloyalty. If elected to high executive office, demagogues typically unravel constitutional limits on executive power and attempt to convert their democracy into an authoritarian system, even a dictatorship.

[Tiberius]

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A group of leading GOP national security experts — including former homeland security secretary Tom Ridge — urged congressional Republicans on Monday to demand President Trump concede the election and immediately begin the transition to the incoming Biden administration.

 

“President Trump’s refusal to permit the presidential transition poses significant risks to our national security, at a time when the U.S. confronts a global pandemic and faces serious threats from global adversaries, terrorist groups, and other forces,” said a statement signed by more than 100 GOP luminaries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-concede-republicans-national-security/2020/11/23/af5e6a36-2d3c-11eb-860d-f7999599cbc2_story.html

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

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A group of leading GOP national security experts — including former homeland security secretary Tom Ridge — urged congressional Republicans on Monday to demand President Trump concede the election and immediately begin the transition to the incoming Biden administration.

 

“President Trump’s refusal to permit the presidential transition poses significant risks to our national security, at a time when the U.S. confronts a global pandemic and faces serious threats from global adversaries, terrorist groups, and other forces,” said a statement signed by more than 100 GOP luminaries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-concede-republicans-national-security/2020/11/23/af5e6a36-2d3c-11eb-860d-f7999599cbc2_story.html

 

Trump couldn't care less.

 

He'll spend the next two months doing as much damage as possible before Biden gets the keys to the house. 

 

He has no shame. 

[WideNine]

8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Trump couldn't care less.

 

He'll spend the next two months doing as much damage as possible before Biden gets the keys to the house. 

 

He has no shame. 

 

You could add Mitch McConnell and most of the rest of the GOP in the House and Senate to the list.

 

They keep blurring the lines between the legal efforts a presidential candidate can take and the irresponsible blocking of the normal transition process and publicly hurling baseless accusations of voter fraud and election-rigging from the bully pulpit of the Executive Branch office.

 

It is not the norm, and McConnel would watch this nation burn as long as he could raise a GOP flag over the ashes.

 

 

 

[jrober38]

Just now, WideNine said:

 

You could add Mitch McConnell and most of the rest of the GOP in the House and Senate to the list.

 

They keep blurring the lines between the legal efforts a presidential candidate can take and the irresponsible blocking of the normal transition process and publicly hurling baseless accusations of voter fraud and election-rigging from the bully pulpit of the Executive Branch office.

 

It is not the norm, and McConnel would watch this nation burn as long as he could raise a GOP flag over the ashes.

 

 

 

 

McConnell cares about taking care of his special interests. That's his only job to do in Washington, to make sure his high profile donors get what they want from the Federal Government.

 

Trump doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself. 

[shoshin]

 Schwarzman said in a statement to Axios that Biden won and it's time to move on.

• "I'm a fan of good process," Schwarzman said. "In my comments three days after the election, I was trying to be a voice of reason and express why it's in the national interest to have all Americans believe the election is being resolved correctly. But the outcome is very certain today, and the country should move on."
• "I supported President Trump and the strong economic path he built. Like many in the business community, I am ready to help President-elect Biden and his team as they confront the significant challenges of rebuilding our post-COVID economy."