Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 You know that it would be untrue You know the Bills would be a liar If they were to say to you John, we couldn't go much higher…on the offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) On 11/14/2020 at 8:28 AM, thebandit27 said: I think they’re both goners to be honest. With the cap dropping and the relative ease of filling RT and off-ball LB, they’re more likely to let them walk and take the comp picks. Bring back Ty at RT and draft a few LBs. Ty is 30-something to. He’s not the long term future. I wouldn’t write off Beane bringing Williams back. I think Milano is definitely gone unless he takes 6-7 million per year, multi-year deal or a bit larger 1 year deal to re-set his value. And while the cap will go down, it might not go down to the worst case scenario number that has been talked about. Edited November 15, 2020 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: I would prefer they found a smart way to keep Williams. and i prefer him over any LB we have in house if i am investing. John should get paid for what he has given Bills so far. Flexibilty and run game mauler. But was injured and missed time. As mentioned and Spain contract or there abouts sounds right Williams is an excellent right tackle , you have to pay him to keep him. Teams should pay their tackles well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 23 hours ago, klos63 said: Williams is an excellent right tackle , you have to pay him to keep him. Teams should pay their tackles well. Yep ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Like it or not Daryl Williams is playing his way into the Pro Bowl this year. He is at what is becoming a prime position in the league, and he is playing at a very high level. He is the type of player you want to let test the market, especially with the cap being low. If you offer him a fair contract right at the end of the season you're looking at a $10 million dollar a year player. If he tests the market and finds no one willing to pay him the money because the cap is $175 million than you may get him back at a lower rate. If you pay Feliciano like a guard, he probably gets what Spain got last year. $5 million per. He is the guy you look to lock up first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 35 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Like it or not Daryl Williams is playing his way into the Pro Bowl this year. He is at what is becoming a prime position in the league, and he is playing at a very high level. He is the type of player you want to let test the market, especially with the cap being low. If you offer him a fair contract right at the end of the season you're looking at a $10 million dollar a year player. If he tests the market and finds no one willing to pay him the money because the cap is $175 million than you may get him back at a lower rate. If you pay Feliciano like a guard, he probably gets what Spain got last year. $5 million per. He is the guy you look to lock up first. The problem with that is that, while the cap will be lower, some team or teams will have the room to sign him. And then you lose him. I would take him for $10 million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, Doc said: The problem with that is that, while the cap will be lower, some team or teams will have the room to sign him. And then you lose him. I would take him for $10 million a year. I honestly think the Bills will lose both Milano and Williams next offseason. If the cap truly goea down to 175 they are going to have to rework contracts like Smoke, Jerry Hughes, and Klein and outright cut Vernon Butler just to draft, sign rfas, and be at the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I honestly think the Bills will lose both Milano and Williams next offseason. If the cap truly goea down to 175 they are going to have to rework contracts like Smoke, Jerry Hughes, and Klein and outright cut Vernon Butler just to draft, sign rfas, and be at the cap. I think it will affect a lot of teams and thus the players. A compromise would be in everyone's best interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I honestly think the Bills will lose both Milano and Williams next offseason. If the cap truly goea down to 175 they are going to have to rework contracts like Smoke, Jerry Hughes, and Klein and outright cut Vernon Butler just to draft, sign rfas, and be at the cap. Think Morse will be gone too... there’s an out in his contract.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 11 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: I honestly think the Bills will lose both Milano and Williams next offseason. If the cap truly goea down to 175 they are going to have to rework contracts like Smoke, Jerry Hughes, and Klein and outright cut Vernon Butler just to draft, sign rfas, and be at the cap. Cover 1’s Greg Tompsett was on Sports Talk Saturday on WGR this past weekend and gave a good basic idea of what they can/should do for cap space. With roughly 40 players signed on next year, they have about $2M in cap space. They should have about $3.5M-$3.75M to roll over into next year. Which takes the total to $5.5M-$5.75M The easy cuts look to be Butler, Matakevich & Lee Smith. These 3 alone save them about $12.5M. That takes the total to about $18.0-$18.25. There’s also some contract extensions that could be negotiated this off-season, in particular, John Brown, Jerry Hughes and Micah Hyde. Each guys extension could save $2M-$3M on the cap. Let’s say they extend two of them and average $2.5M in savings on each, adding another $5M in cap space. New total would be roughly $23M-$23.5M Lastly they could renegotiate with guys like Morse, Diggs or Addison in order to push some of their cap into the future. I believe this is a last resort for Beane and he won’t do it unless he can’t negotiate extensions with those listed above. Altogether $23.5M should be enough to: 1. Sign our current draft class ($3.5M) 2. Re-Sign about 5 guys around 750K-$1.5M ($5.5M) (guys like EJ Gaines this year, or maybe even a Ty Nsekhe or Tyler Kroft will come cheap this coming season due to the Covid restricted cap space) 3. Re-Sign Feliciano to a Spain-eque deal (3yrs $5Maav, with an out after each year). Leaving us with about $8M-$9M to bring back Milano or Daryl Williams. And that’s with 40 on the roster, 7 draft picks, and another 5 players towards the lower end of the roster pay. I know Milano could get more elsewhere, but I have a feeling they’ll try to bring him back on a 1yr prove it deal around $6M-$7M. His injuries this season, combined with his affinity for the team, and his minimalist personality, tells me that something like this will get done as long as Milano comes back in this last part of the season and contributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 If Morse truly isn’t going to be a starter going forward, I think we save $4.5 million if he’s cut. That would Im sure go to Felciano or Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: If Morse truly isn’t going to be a starter going forward, I think we save $4.5 million if he’s cut. That would Im sure go to Felciano or Williams. If my calculations are correct, it's only about $2M. Not sure it's worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 On 11/14/2020 at 11:16 AM, Victory Formation said: First I must say, Jon Feliciano has been a huge factor in the run game.. it seems that when he is out we’re getting 2/3ypc but when he’s in Moss/Singletary are breaking huge runs and they have huge creases and lanes to run through.. Definitely feel like he is an above average guard and an excellent backup center in the event that Morse goes down... Daryl Williams OTOH has been playing at a very high level this year.. He has been very good on that right side of the line.. I think of all our free agent signings this offseason minus Stefon Diggs, Williams by far has been the most impressive.. Allen has had a fantastic pocket all year for him to step into... Dawkins, Morse and Williams giving him plenty of time.. So, if we were looking to extend Williams and Feliciano, what do you guys think their contracts would look like? Feliciano - 5M AAV Williams - 6M AAV Both will have depressed value with the depressed market this offseason. 24 minutes ago, Doc said: If my calculations are correct, it's only about $2M. Not sure it's worth it. 4.8M saved would be the result of Morse being cut Now when I say depressed cap I mean flat cap or a small drop, the NFL and NFLPA are not going to allow projected 25M drop, just wont happen, then teams like Saints are just under 100M OVER the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: Cover 1’s Greg Tompsett was on Sports Talk Saturday on WGR this past weekend and gave a good basic idea of what they can/should do for cap space. With roughly 40 players signed on next year, they have about $2M in cap space. They should have about $3.5M-$3.75M to roll over into next year. Which takes the total to $5.5M-$5.75M The easy cuts look to be Butler, Matakevich & Lee Smith. These 3 alone save them about $12.5M. That takes the total to about $18.0-$18.25. There’s also some contract extensions that could be negotiated this off-season, in particular, John Brown, Jerry Hughes and Micah Hyde. Each guys extension could save $2M-$3M on the cap. Let’s say they extend two of them and average $2.5M in savings on each, adding another $5M in cap space. New total would be roughly $23M-$23.5M Lastly they could renegotiate with guys like Morse, Diggs or Addison in order to push some of their cap into the future. I believe this is a last resort for Beane and he won’t do it unless he can’t negotiate extensions with those listed above. Altogether $23.5M should be enough to: 1. Sign our current draft class ($3.5M) 2. Re-Sign about 5 guys around 750K-$1.5M ($5.5M) (guys like EJ Gaines this year, or maybe even a Ty Nsekhe or Tyler Kroft will come cheap this coming season due to the Covid restricted cap space) 3. Re-Sign Feliciano to a Spain-eque deal (3yrs $5Maav, with an out after each year). Leaving us with about $8M-$9M to bring back Milano or Daryl Williams. And that’s with 40 on the roster, 7 draft picks, and another 5 players towards the lower end of the roster pay. I know Milano could get more elsewhere, but I have a feeling they’ll try to bring him back on a 1yr prove it deal around $6M-$7M. His injuries this season, combined with his affinity for the team, and his minimalist personality, tells me that something like this will get done as long as Milano comes back in this last part of the season and contributes. Every game Milano misses he loses more money. The good news is every team has to adhere to the 175 million dollar cap so free agent spending will be done in the offseason. I think 8-9 Million is probably where Milano ends up. He lost a lot of money due to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: 4.8M saved would be the result of Morse being cut Now when I say depressed cap I mean flat cap or a small drop, the NFL and NFLPA are not going to allow projected 25M drop, just wont happen, then teams like Saints are just under 100M OVER the cap. Ah, you're using post-June 1st. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Ah, you're using post-June 1st. Got it. Actually no I am using Pre-June 1 for 2021. 4.875M savings if Cut https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/ Edited November 17, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Feliciano - 5M AAV Williams - 6M AAV Both will have depressed value with the depressed market this offseason In regards to our OL.. If I had to guess.. I think Daryl Williams ends up at about $10M/yr... Great player but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t have an extensive injury history... He’s averaged 11 games per season over his career and that’s concerning.. Doubt he’ll see a whole lot of guaranteed money it’ll most likely be performance based.. Feliciano OTOH is a solid guard but not someone I’d overpay for.. $5M/yr sounds about right.. Could maybe see it going up to $6M/yr but not much more than that.. May be the odd man out.. could see Morse leaving too... If I had just one to pick just one it’d be Daryl Williams.. especially if his contract has outs due to injury.. good tackles are much harder to find than interior o-linemen and his contract shouldn’t be too big considering injuries.. Ford has been underwhelming but his play has been adequate.. Huge talent and high ceiling though and he’s making less than $2M/yr.. I think you leave him at LG, let him grow, cheap contract, potential to be very good... keep Boettger, Bates and Winters as backup linemen in case of injury.. draft another center and guard.. If it were me I’d let Morse and Feliciano walk.. Draft a center RDs 1-2 if you have too.. find talented linemen that you can sign to cheap rookie deals.. Let’s not pretend that Morse and Feliciano are good linemen, they’re okay but not worth paying big money to.. That interior o-line has had trouble running the ball.. Allen is a very good play action QB so I think we need to do a better job pounding the ball for our offense to be hitting on all cylinders... I’d like to see our line rebuilt with cheap rookie contracts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Just now, Victory Formation said: In regards to our OL.. If I had to guess.. I think Daryl Williams ends up at about $10M/yr... Great player but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t have an extensive injury history... He’s averaged 11 games per season over his career and that’s concerning.. Doubt he’ll see a whole lot of guaranteed money it’ll most likely be performance based.. Feliciano OTOH is a solid guard but not someone I’d overpay for.. $5M/yr sounds about right.. Could maybe see it going up to $6M/yr but not much more than that.. May be the odd man out.. could see Morse leaving too... If I had just one to pick just one it’d be Daryl Williams.. especially if his contract has outs due to injury.. good tackles are much harder to find than interior o-linemen and his contract shouldn’t be too big considering injuries.. Ford has been underwhelming but his play has been adequate.. Huge talent and high ceiling though and he’s making less than $2M/yr.. I think you leave him at LG, let him grow, cheap contract, potential to be very good... keep Boettger, Bates and Winters as backup linemen in case of injury.. draft another center and guard.. If it were me I’d let Morse and Feliciano walk.. Draft a center RDs 1-2 if you have too.. find talented linemen that you can sign to cheap rookie deals.. Let’s not pretend that Morse and Feliciano are good linemen, they’re okay but not worth paying big money to.. That interior o-line has had trouble running the ball.. Allen is a very good play action QB so I think we need to do a better job pounding the ball for our offense to be hitting on all cylinders... I’d like to see our line rebuilt with cheap rookie contracts.. Maybe in a normal market. In a depressed market with Cap Strapped teams, you are going to see a reset at all positions (except for the ELITE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Dkollidas said: 3. Re-Sign Feliciano to a Spain-eque deal (3yrs $5Maav, with an out after each year). Is this stereotyping? 🤔 * Does it include a fancy watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 13 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: I honestly think the Bills will lose both Milano and Williams next offseason. If the cap truly goea down to 175 they are going to have to rework contracts like Smoke, Jerry Hughes, and Klein and outright cut Vernon Butler just to draft, sign rfas, and be at the cap. Half the league is in this situation. The league will have specifics to address this during the off season. I don't think it will be as bad as some fans think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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