Trump's Legal Machine Grinds to a Halt

[shoshin]

Well there it is. Comments on the Internet are evidence of rigged election and mail slowdowns. This is what we kinda knew Trump was relying on and now we really know. I assume more reasonable Trump supporters are seeing this sham by now. 
 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

5 hours ago, shoshin said:

Well there it is. Comments on the Internet are evidence of rigged election and mail slowdowns. This is what we kinda knew Trump was relying on and now we really know. I assume more reasonable Trump supporters are seeing this sham by now. 
 

 

 

 

 

[TBBills]

7 hours ago, shoshin said:

Well there it is. Comments on the Internet are evidence of rigged election and mail slowdowns. This is what we kinda knew Trump was relying on and now we really know. I assume more reasonable Trump supporters are seeing this sham by now. 
 

 

 

 

THis is so sad... and funny.

[Backintheday544]

5 hours ago, TBBills said:

THis is so sad... and funny.

I ordered my mail-in-ballot here in Virginia. It didn’t come when it send it sent. I just emailed the election board and they sent me a new one. Said if the other one shows up to just trash it.

 

If my second one didn’t come, I had a backup plan to put in a provisional ballot. 
 

It’s not like this is a big deal.

[shoshin]

How will they ever carry on with Rudy out with the Covid? 

 

It couldn't get any worse I guess.

[Scraps]

On 11/19/2020 at 12:51 PM, shoshin said:

 

One of the reasons many backed out is because of personal attacks they got, as well as threats. Totally despicable behavior, fanned by The Lincoln Project, a group I saw as an important, effective, and good tool in defeating Trump. But populism often goes too far and this in this case, they did IMO. 

I tend to believe that if there was indeed fraud and these lawyers did indeed believe they were fighting for free and fair elections unblemished by fraud, the very core of democracy, they would not have backed out.  Indeed, they would have been duty bound to continue. However, given the scarcity of evidence of fraud, they were in fact working to undermine the election, the core of democracy, all for some money.  It simply wasn't worth it to be on the wrong side and assist in a coup.

[WideNine]

Federal judge in GA dismisses lawsuits brought by Powell - because they are dumb

 

A federal judge in Georgia dismissed two motions on Monday morning brought by attorney Sidney Powell aimed at reversing the election results in that state.  

“The plaintiffs do not have standing to bring these claims,” Judge Timothy Batten ruled from the bench immediately following about an hour of arguments.

 

Judge Batten also dissolved the temporary restraining order that stopped election officials from clearing the latest election data from Dominion voting machines in Cobb, Gwinnett and Cherokee Counties. Election officials in Georgia have said the machines will be needed for early voting that starts in the Senate runoff election in a week.

 

Batten further said that the plaintiffs waited too long to take such action. “This suit could have been brought months ago before the election, at the time the machines were adopted. The relief they seek, this court cannot grant.”

 

Finally, Batten called the relief Powell was seeking “the most extraordinary relief ever sought in any federal court,” as it pertains to elections. “They want to substitute the judgement of this court for that of two and a half million Georgia voters who voted for Joe Biden. This I am unwilling to do.”

 

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by WideNine

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, WideNine said:

Judge Batten also dissolved the temporary restraining order that stopped election officials from clearing the latest election data from Dominion voting machines in Cobb, Gwinnett and Cherokee Counties. Election officials in Georgia have said the machines will be needed for early voting that starts in the Senate runoff election in a week.

 

There's a special amount of bitter satisfaction us GA voters get in all of this.

 

Ironically, in 2016, this is exactly what GA Gov Brian Kemp (then the SoS who oversaw the election) did to prevent any investigation into voter fraud from being done.

 

From 2016-2017, when the GOP was still winning GA:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/georgia-election-server-wiped-after-suit-filed

 

Quote

Plaintiffs in the lawsuit, who are mostly Georgia voters, want to scrap the state’s 15-year-old vote-management system — particularly its 27,000 AccuVote touchscreen voting machines, hackable devices that don’t use paper ballots or keep hardcopy proof of voter intent. The plaintiffs were counting on an independent security review of the Kennesaw server, which held electronic poll book data and ballot definitions for counties, to demonstrate the system’s unreliability...

 

The server data could have revealed whether Georgia’s most recent elections were compromised by malicious hackers. The plaintiffs contend that the results of both last November’s election and a special June 20 congressional runoff— won by Kemp’s predecessor, Karen Handel — cannot be trusted....

 

Kemp and his GOP allies insist Georgia’s elections system is secure...

 

GA Democrats weren't even allowed to question the result, get a recount, or do any investigating because Kemp and the rest of the GOP made sure all the evidence was destroyed in unprecedented quickness.

 

Imagine if Trump wanted to do these recounts and GA said "Sorry, we already destroyed the data, you'll just have to trust us". That is what we had to deal with in 2016.

 

So enjoy your recounts. I'm enjoying watching Trump lose my state over and over and over.

[WideNine]

Texas AG Paxton sues swing states for basically having "unconstitutional" elections.

 

Same repackaging of the argument against mail-in ballots that has failed at every state level 1st for failing the test of missing appropriate opportunities and formats for arguing against and prohibiting the practice, 2nd for failing to show systemic fraud that proves disenfranchisement of eligible voters.

 

My take is that since Paxton is corrupt and feeling the heat under FBI investigation, Trump either dangled a pardon in front of him or he sought him out for one offering his legal services in exchange.

 

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/08/texas-ken-paxton-election-georgia/

 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

BREAKING! BIG NEWS!

 

For the "Wait until it gets to the Supreme Court" crowd, well... they've ruled on Pennsylvania. Here is the entire response and decision from the Supreme Court for you to read yourself...

 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120820zr_bq7d.pdf

 

(Spoiler Alert: 9-0 ruling of "GFY")

[Unforgiven]

NO ONE BELIEVES THERE WAS HARDCORE CHEATING BY THE RATS >>>
CLOSE YOUR EYES AND COVER YOUR EARS SHEEPLE THIS WILL ALL BE OVER SOON

PUT YOUR MASKS ON AND HIDE YOUR FACES LIKE GOOD MUSLIMS SO WE CAN CHANT

AND PRAY DAILY TO OUR PELOSISHCHIFF GODS

[DrDawkinstein]

https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-court-pennsylvania-idUSKBN28I35L

 

U.S. Supreme Court rejects Republican challenge to Biden's Pennsylvania win

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There were no noted dissents from any of the justices on the court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority including three Trump appointees. Trump had urged the Republican-led Senate to confirm his most recent nominee, Justice Amy Coney Barrett, before Election Day so she could participate in any election-related cases.

 

[DrDawkinstein]

On 12/7/2020 at 3:09 PM, Bidens_basement said:

It will. It's too important to our nation not too.

 

On 12/7/2020 at 2:42 PM, Bidens_basement said:

SCOTUS is the only court that counts.

 

Hey loser, SCOTUS has ruled. Still a loser. 9-0, no dissents on the immediate denial.

[Iron Maiden]

3 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

NO ONE BELIEVES THERE WAS HARDCORE CHEATING BY THE RATS >>>
CLOSE YOUR EYES AND COVER YOUR EARS SHEEPLE THIS WILL ALL BE OVER SOON

PUT YOUR MASKS ON AND HIDE YOUR FACES LIKE GOOD MUSLIMS SO WE CAN CHANT

AND PRAY DAILY TO OUR PELOSISHCHIFF GODS

 

The U.S. Constitution  gives each state wide latitude in how they run their elections and how they select their electors....... Texas does not have legal standing to sue to make other states run their elections, count their ballots, or choose their electors the way TEXAS thinks it should be done........  And consequently SCOTUS will also reject that case ......... It's really pathetic at this point.....Trump has more lawyers with Covid than he has wins.....

Edited December 9, 2020 by Iron Maiden

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

NO ONE BELIEVES THERE WAS HARDCORE CHEATING BY THE RATS >>>
CLOSE YOUR EYES AND COVER YOUR EARS SHEEPLE THIS WILL ALL BE OVER SOON

PUT YOUR MASKS ON AND HIDE YOUR FACES LIKE GOOD MUSLIMS SO WE CAN CHANT

AND PRAY DAILY TO OUR PELOSISHCHIFF GODS

Maybe they'll succeed again.

[Q-baby!]

9-0. Thanks for coming out loser! 

[snafu]

20 hours ago, WideNine said:

Texas AG Paxton sues swing states for basically having "unconstitutional" elections.

 

Same repackaging of the argument against mail-in ballots that has failed at every state level 1st for failing the test of missing appropriate opportunities and formats for arguing against and prohibiting the practice, 2nd for failing to show systemic fraud that proves disenfranchisement of eligible voters.

 

My take is that since Paxton is corrupt and feeling the heat under FBI investigation, Trump either dangled a pardon in front of him or he sought him out for one offering his legal services in exchange.

 

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/08/texas-ken-paxton-election-georgia/

 

 

 

 

 

8 other AG's joined the case.  Are they all looking for pardons?

Whatever the standing or merits issues are, your conspiracy theory is unjustified.

The Texas case has very little to do with "fraud".

 

 

19 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

BREAKING! BIG NEWS!

 

For the "Wait until it gets to the Supreme Court" crowd, well... they've ruled on Pennsylvania. Here is the entire response and decision from the Supreme Court for you to read yourself...

 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120820zr_bq7d.pdf

 

(Spoiler Alert: 9-0 ruling of "GFY")

 

 

They ruled on whether an injunction should be issued, not on the merits of the case.

Though, you're right that it's a loss for the PA guy who brought the case.  I'm not sure this decision rises to GFY level. 

 

 

17 hours ago, Iron Maiden said:

 

The U.S. Constitution  gives each state wide latitude in how they run their elections and how they select their electors....... Texas does not have legal standing to sue to make other states run their elections, count their ballots, or choose their electors the way TEXAS thinks it should be done........  And consequently SCOTUS will also reject that case ......... It's really pathetic at this point.....Trump has more lawyers with Covid than he has wins.....

 

The Texas case (IF it gets to the merits, BIG if) isn't about Texas complaining about the content of the other states' laws.  Texas is  saying that the elections officials in the other states didn't follow their own laws without leave of the legislature.

 

 

 

 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Good thing the Jets lost to the Raiders. Trump would have passed them for the #1 draft pick based on winning percentage.

[Scraps]

19 minutes ago, snafu said:

The Texas case (IF it gets to the merits, BIG if) isn't about Texas complaining about the content of the other states' laws.  Texas is  saying that the elections officials in the other states didn't follow their own laws without leave of the legislature.

 

How did these states not follow their own laws?  The only issue I'm aware of is Pennsylvania allowing ballots to be received after election day if they were post marked by election day.  Those ballots were segregated.  I believe that case is still pending, but has no chance of changing the outcome of the election.  Trump should want those ballots to be counted since he is so far behind.  Besides, Its fun to watch him lose a state again and again and again.

[Doc Brown]

On 12/7/2020 at 3:52 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

There's a special amount of bitter satisfaction us GA voters get in all of this.

 

Ironically, in 2016, this is exactly what GA Gov Brian Kemp (then the SoS who oversaw the election) did to prevent any investigation into voter fraud from being done.

 

From 2016-2017, when the GOP was still winning GA:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/georgia-election-server-wiped-after-suit-filed

 

 

GA Democrats weren't even allowed to question the result, get a recount, or do any investigating because Kemp and the rest of the GOP the deep state made sure all the evidence was destroyed in unprecedented quickness.

 

Imagine if Trump wanted to do these recounts and GA said "Sorry, we already destroyed the data, you'll just have to trust us". That is what we had to deal with in 2016.

 

So enjoy your recounts. I'm enjoying watching Trump lose my state over and over and over.

 

[snafu]

2 hours ago, Scraps said:

 

How did these states not follow their own laws?  The only issue I'm aware of is Pennsylvania allowing ballots to be received after election day if they were post marked by election day.  Those ballots were segregated.  I believe that case is still pending, but has no chance of changing the outcome of the election.  Trump should want those ballots to be counted since he is so far behind.  Besides, Its fun to watch him lose a state again and again and again.

 

Read the Texas filing.  It goes into detail for each State. The link was posted above.

It's not my complaint.  It is their complaint.  I was just pointing out that Texas isn't trying to overturn any other State's laws, like the other poster said.

 

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, snafu said:

 

Read the Texas filing.  It goes into detail for each State. The link was posted above.

It's not my complaint.  It is their complaint.  I was just pointing out that Texas isn't trying to overturn any other State's laws, like the other poster said.

 

Yes they are, they try8ng to get the court to throw out the results in four states that voted against Trump. Crazy. This is an attempted coup against the voters of this country 

[Unforgiven]

17 States Join TX Supreme Court Suit Delaying Elector Appointment

https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/schaffer-election-fraud/

 

Here's the evidence of widespread Election Fraud

 

The establishment keeps claiming there’s “no evidence of widespread fraud” in the 2020 presidential election. That was never entirely accurate, but now it’s a whopper of Clintonian proportions.

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Unforgiven said:

17 States Join TX Supreme Court Suit Delaying Elector Appointment

https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/schaffer-election-fraud/

 

Here's the evidence of widespread Election Fraud

 

The establishment keeps claiming there’s “no evidence of widespread fraud” in the 2020 presidential election. That was never entirely accurate, but now it’s a whopper of Clintonian proportions.

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/12/07/trump-campaign-appeals-another-ballot-case-in-pennsylvania/

[TBBills]

Fun to see repubtards still trying to commit voter fraud.

[SoTier]

The ironic part of this latest farce is that Trump and his Trumplicans' rush to pack the federal judiciary and SCOTUS with conservative justices insures that they won't get a hearing in the SCOTUS.   Conservative judges tend to be strongly in favor of states' rights and are NOT going to favor a group of states attempting to interfere with the electoral processes in another group of other states.     

[TH3]

11 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

17 States Join TX Supreme Court Suit Delaying Elector Appointment

https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/schaffer-election-fraud/

 

Here's the evidence of widespread Election Fraud

 

The establishment keeps claiming there’s “no evidence of widespread fraud” in the 2020 presidential election. That was never entirely accurate, but now it’s a whopper of Clintonian proportions.

 

This is how low the bar now is...The basis of this lawsuit is that "The fraud was undetectable...but it was there" 

 

Really....that is actually what the lawsuit says....

[Iron Maiden]

18 hours ago, snafu said:

The Texas case (IF it gets to the merits, BIG if) isn't about Texas complaining about the content of the other states' laws.  Texas is  saying that the elections officials in the other states didn't follow their own laws without leave of the legislature.

 

 

 

 

 

Texas or any other States has no legal rights to claim that officials elsewhere didn't follow the rules set by their own legislatures....... The United States doesn't have a national election for president........ It has a series of state elections, and one State has no legal standing to challenge how another State conducts its elections any more than Texas could challenge how Georgia elects its senators........ Can't be clearer than that ! 

 

[snafu]

2 hours ago, Iron Maiden said:

 

Texas or any other States has no legal rights to claim that officials elsewhere didn't follow the rules set by their own legislatures....... The United States doesn't have a national election for president........ It has a series of state elections, and one State has no legal standing to challenge how another State conducts its elections any more than Texas could challenge how Georgia elects its senators........ Can't be clearer than that ! 

 

 

Yes, the standing hurdle is why I said:  "IF it gets to the merits (BIG if)".  Your initial post referred to Texas challenging other State's laws, not the failure of Officials failing to follow the laws.  There's a difference.  

 

Though I'd say that 18 States' Attorneys General argue that they do have standing.  I'm not saying whether I agree with them because I'm not going to read the laws and cases they cite to form my opinion when we shall find out very soon.

 

 

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Iron Maiden said:

 

Texas or any other States has no legal rights to claim that officials elsewhere didn't follow the rules set by their own legislatures....... The United States doesn't have a national election for president........ It has a series of state elections, and one State has no legal standing to challenge how another State conducts its elections any more than Texas could challenge how Georgia elects its senators........ Can't be clearer than that ! 

 

 

There's also a truckload of court rulings going back as far as the Early National Period (pre-1830) and continuing to the present that says that state election rules cannot be changed after votes are cast.   

[shoshin]

By now the vaunted legal team must have some great evidence and has piled up some big wins eh? 

 

Is Exhibit 17 still the best they've got? 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

Yes, the standing hurdle is why I said:  "IF it gets to the merits (BIG if)".  Your initial post referred to Texas challenging other State's laws, not the failure of Officials failing to follow the laws.  There's a difference.  

 

Though I'd say that 18 States' Attorneys General argue that they do have standing.  I'm not saying whether I agree with them because I'm not going to read the laws and cases they cite to form my opinion when we shall find out very soon.

 

 

 

All this tells me is the anti-Democracy sedition is not contained to just "crazy trumpers" and is actually the current standing of the entire Republican party.

[snafu]

42 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

All this tells me is the anti-Democracy sedition is not contained to just "crazy trumpers" and is actually the current standing of the entire Republican party.

 

Okay.  Nobody's stopping you from believing what you want to believe.

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Welp, the Kraken is officially dead.

 

Last ‘Kraken’ Slain: Court Notes ‘Federal Judges Do Not Appoint the President,’ Wonders Why Sidney Powell Asked

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/last-kraken-slain-court-notes-federal-judges-do-not-appoint-the-president-wonders-why-sidney-powell-asked/

 

 

[TBBills]

15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Welp, the Kraken is officially dead.

 

Last ‘Kraken’ Slain: Court Notes ‘Federal Judges Do Not Appoint the President,’ Wonders Why Sidney Powell Asked

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/last-kraken-slain-court-notes-federal-judges-do-not-appoint-the-president-wonders-why-sidney-powell-asked/

 

 

Whoops... Wonder that the bootlicking Cult of Trumpsters are going to do now... Remember don't vote if you live in Georgia b.c the democrats have the election rigged.

[Scraps]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Whoops... Wonder that the bootlicking Cult of Trumpsters are going to do now... Remember don't vote if you live in Georgia b.c the democrats have the election rigged.

 

Judge Pepper's used the wrong word in her judgement.  She wrote “Granting the relief the plaintiff requests would take the court far outside those limits, and outside the limits of its oath to uphold and defendant the Constitution.”  The correct would would be 'defend'.  Clearly this is grounds to appeal this directly to the Supreme Court.

[Warcodered]

24 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Welp, the Kraken is officially dead.

 

Last ‘Kraken’ Slain: Court Notes ‘Federal Judges Do Not Appoint the President,’ Wonders Why Sidney Powell Asked

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/last-kraken-slain-court-notes-federal-judges-do-not-appoint-the-president-wonders-why-sidney-powell-asked/

 

 

I thought it transformed into a spider or something.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/sidney-powell-accidentally-reveals-mystery-spider-witness-thanks-to-redaction-snafu

 

What cool new inaccurately serious sounding name will they make useless next?

[shoshin]

PA's response...good they picked up on the stupid one-in-a-quadrillion claim. Hard to believe the Texas AG quoted that "expert" with a straight face. Ignoring that the mail in ballots were cast by a different set of voters than the in-person ones seems like a pretty basic assumption to overlook.  

 

Excerpt:

 

PRELIMINARY STATEMENT

 

Since Election Day, State and Federal courts throughout the country have been flooded with frivolous lawsuits aimed at disenfranchising large swaths of voters and undermining the legitimacy of the election. The State of Texas has now added its voice to the cacophony of bogus claims. Texas seeks to invalidate elections in four states for yielding results with which it disagrees. Its request for this Court to exercise its original jurisdiction and then anoint Texas’s preferred candidate for President is legally indefensible and is an afront to principles of constitutional democracy.

 

What Texas is doing in this proceeding is to ask this Court to reconsider a mass of baseless claims about problems with the election that have already been considered, and rejected, by this Court and other courts. It attempts to exploit this Court’s sparingly used original jurisdiction to relitigate those matters. But Texas obviously lacks standing to bring such claims, which, in any event, are barred by laches, and are moot, meritless, and dangerous. Texas has not suffered harm simply be- cause it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections. Nor is that view grounded in any precedent from this Court. Texas does not seek to have the Court interpret the Constitution, so much as disregard it.

 

The cascading series of compounding defects in Texas’s filings is only underscored by the surreal alternate reality that those filings attempt to construct. That alternate reality includes an absurd statistical analysis positing that the probability of President-Elect Biden winning the election was “one in a quadrillion.” Bill of Complaint at 6. Texas’s effort to get this Court to pick the next President has no basis in law or fact. The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated.
 

  

Edited December 10, 2020 by shoshin

[shoshin]

Here are the others. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, shoshin said:

PA's response...good they picked up on the stupid one-in-a-quadrillion claim. Hard to believe the Texas AG quoted that "expert" with a straight face. Ignoring that the mail in ballots were cast by a different set of voters than the in-person ones seems like a pretty basic assumption to overlook.

But I mean the argument that if things were exactly the same as when Trump won in 2016 how could he lose in 2020 is brilliant...unless of course things aren't the same as 2016 at all.